Miles Davis 'Bootleg' CD's

[ATR]

I'm looking for anything from the approximate '72-'75 period. That would be the Cosey, Lucas, Henderson, Foster, Liebman or maybe Fortune band. The Miles website lists a number of titles, including on on JMY entitled Call It What It Is. I've got More Live Evil, Another Bitches Brew, and Olympia July '73.

[camop99]

I presume you have Dark Magus:) If you don't mind Mp3 quality try using winMX i found a lot of bootlags on there some from 73 like live in brazil and some others, sound qual is ok but there is nothing better than a real bootleg in your hands. i am interested in the other recordings you may have from the 70-75 period as far aas bootlegs go. I wish Columbia would start offering big money to to some people with the private recordings and other bootlegs so we can get this amazing music out there so we an all listen to it. where in the hell are the Jazz Door cd's made and the JMY and the Jazz Masters and Lunch for your ears god damn it.

[jkelman]

where in the hell are the Jazz Door cd's made and the JMY and the Jazz Masters and Lunch for your ears god damn it.
Jazz Door is from Germany and, being a true bootleg company who issues music without any compensation to the artist is, in my opinion, to be avoided, regardless of how tempting some of their titles might be.
John

[camop99]

thnx John for your reply, its a shame i don't speak German. yes i agree that bootlegs are to be avoided but im only looking for one particular recording from 1971. Im not really sure what its called but i have seen some film from this performance on the miles ahead doco from the 80's with Jarrett talking over it. it may only exist on film but im willing to get everything he recorded from 71 in hope that ill find that particular recording. And then I'll stop, I promise, no more bootlegs:)

[camop99]

Sorry ATR i got a little distracted with my last reply about those recordings you are looking for. try this link here http://www.bigo.com.sg/tradelist/list11.html#milesdavis

i just found that today so let me know if you have any luck with them.

im waiting for a recording from 73 Live at the Boston workshop (its a bootleg.....Sorry John) in the mail. When it comes ill let you know, maybe we can do a trade.

[camop99]

try this place ATR
they seem very cheap
and have some good titles
i hope i have been some help

http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/ohkura/BTCD/BTCDLIST.html

[RDK]

Please trade and/or download this sort of stuff instead of buying it! Much of it is available for free on the web.

[clave]

Jazz Door is from Germany and, being a true bootleg company who issues music without any compensation to the artist is, in my opinion, to be avoided, regardless of how tempting some of their titles might be.

John

Boy, you said it, John! I hated having to cover their stuff back when i wrote for that jazz mag that starts with a C, but the ed. insisted.

Viper's Nest is another one to avoid -- the name, at least, is truthful. All bootlegs.

[camop99]

thnx RDK
could you give me some url's plz

[jazzcritic]

Viper's Nest is another one to avoid -- the name, at least, is truthful. All bootlegs.

Viper's Nest, one of the late Bernie Brightman's labels, is out of business.

[RDK]

thnx RDK
could you give me some url's plz

You can start with http://www.easytree.org/, which uses bit torrent files. (You can download the program and read more about it there).

more info and forums here: http://www.tunesonthemove.net/phpBB2/index.php

[camop99]

cheers ray, i use bitorrent but i need a login for that site and will have to wait to get one, im still filtering through those other forums

[clave]

Viper's Nest, one of the late Bernie Brightman's labels, is out of business.

That's good to know! I wish the same was true of Jazz Door.

[larryt333]

Hello,

... company who issues music without any compensation to the artist is, in my opinion, to be avoided, regardless of how tempting some of their titles might be.
John

I hear Prestige (Fantasy...now Concord?) NEVER compensated Miles (or his estate) for records sold. He got paid a couple dollars at for each session and that was it...

I couldn't imagine people not purchasing Cookin', Relaxin', Workin', and Steamin' because nothing goes to the artist or the estate.

regards,

lt

[jkelman]

I hear Prestige (Fantasy...now Concord?) NEVER compensated Miles (or his estate) for records sold. He got paid a couple dollars at for each session and that was it...

I couldn't imagine people not purchasing Cookin', Relaxin', Workin', and Steamin' because nothing goes to the artist or the estate.

That may be true, but Miles likely got paid for the sessions and, right move or not, signed away his rights. Jazz Door basically do things like, in the case of the DeJOhnette/Holland/Hancock/Metheny double live that Metheny has been know to literally pull from the racks in stores, take an audio dub from the commercially available DVD and release this as a 2CD live set. Other bootlegs they have done are from live recordings, without (at the very least) the artist's consent.

There's a world of difference between artists making bad business decisions and paying for it in years to come, and companies who are, quite literally, bootleggers who didn't even pay the artists session fees.

I don't think anyone would try and draw a line between official releases like Miles' Prestige titles and out-and-out bootleggers like Jazz Door. Anyone who would is, in my opinion, simply trying to rationalize supporting an illegal enterprise.

John

[coolidge]

Bootlegging is wrong. Absurd to have this attitude that it is a victimless crime. Mile's estate may not get money for Cookin, Steamin et al. but he had been paid initially bad business deal aside, which make those recordings not bootlegs.
To be cutesy about it and say "this is last one" makes my blood boil too. If everybody does a "last one" that is still probably several thousand jazz fans taking fruits of an artist labor without them receiving any benefit. As it is with albums, when the break down is done as far as who gets what percentage of $ they are already in a bad situation with label, managers et al getting their piece of the pie. Do not make it worse by assuring they will get nothing.
The only reasons bootlegging still exist is because people will always want "just one more" maintain the market.
As an artist myself I can tell you a lot of work, blood sweat and tears goes into each creation. You want people to enjoy and be inspired by it, but also need to make a living. I can also say from first hand experience it does not take too many people burning copies of your CD which they bought before you start loosing money.
There had been a thread about this somewhere else previously and it became a debate which it should not. This isn't a matter of semantics, this is not subjective. IF THE ARTIST (like some of the Jam bands etc.) ALLOWS TAPPING AT CONCERTS THEN IT IS OK TO TAPE PERFORMANCE, BUY, TRADE SELL WHAT EVER. UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES BOTH THE ARTIST AND VENUE DO NOT WANT TAPPING OF PERFORMANCE. IT IS ILLEGAL AND IT HURTS THE VERY ARTIST WHOSE WORK YOU LOVE. Food for thought people.

As a PS. I know some bands encourage tapping so lets not now have this thread become a list of names of all groups which allow it.

[camop99]

i think those four sessions where recorded in one day so miles could finish his contract with prestiege and then start a rather more profitable one with columbia...but i could be thinking of something else...

[camop99]

hmmm very passionate response coolidge

now we have MP3 don't you think bootlegs are the lesser of two evil's.