Musicians protest of the Iraq War

[Adam Lozo]

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[LeMo]

Does the Iraki citizen really embrassing US troups?
Look to some other chanel than CNN and affiliate if you want to have information who is not a pure propaganda.
For the moment the true and dreadfull reality of Irak, is than the counry is sinking in the most total and bloody chaos and than the list of the civils victimes are groing hour after hour.
I have met very recently some american musician from whom I will NOT give the name, let me say than their feeling against the war didn't change a bit. And I support them, Mr Lozano.

[Chris A.]

None of the musicians I have spoken to have changed their minds. They are aware of the twisted picture mainstream U.S. TV presents. One can watch the three major networks, CNN, CNBC and MSNBC (forget about Fox) and--if one didn't know better--think it is government-controlled TV.

To get the real picture, one has to watch oerseas stations--even the BBC (Britain's involvement in Bush's war notwithstanding) is far less biased.

Currently, rather than smiling Iraqis with outstretched arms and roses, our troops are of ten met by angry people. Yes, they hate Saddam abd are glad to get rid of him, but don't for a moment believe that they love us. And as the country moves closer to anarchy, we will have to become the police--and then they will surely not love us. At the present, many are caught up in the euphoria of toppled statues and free-for-all uncontrolled looting sprees, but this can easily become a lot uglier than it is.

The Bush regime has suddenly decided that we are "liberators" rather than empty-handed WMD sniffers--it has not done Iraq a favor.

[BFrank]

Here's a great list of on-line anti-war tunes that are available to download:

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Billie Joe Armstrong (Green Day): "Life During Wartime" (not the Talking Heads song), www.greenday.com

Beastie Boys: "In a World Gone Mad . . .," www.beastieboys.com

Luka Bloom: "I Am Not at War With Anyone," www.lukabloom.com

Jonatha Brooke: "War," www.jonathabrooke.com

Paula Cole: "My Hero, Mr. President!," www.paulacole.com

Crack Emcee: "Red, White & Blue," www.cdbaby.com/cd/crackemcee

David Dondero: "Pre-Invasion Jitters," www.futurefarmer.com

Michael Franti and Spearhead: "Bomb the World," www.stayhuman.org

Lenny Kravitz: "We Want Peace," www.rockthevote.org

George Michael: "The Grave" (cover of Don McLean's Vietnam protest song), www.aegean.net

John Mellencamp: "To Washington," www.mellencamp.com

Paris, "What Would You Do," www.guerrillafunk.com

R.E.M.: "The Final Straw," www.remhq.com/finalStraw/finalstraw.html

Zack de la Rocha/DJ Shadow: "March of Death," www.zackdelarocha.com

Sonic Youth, Cat Power, Eugene Chadbourne and others, www.protest-records.com

System of a Down: "Boom!," www.systemofadown.com

[PDEE]

Originally posted by Chris A.


The Bush regime has suddenly decided that we are "liberators" rather than empty-handed WMD sniffers--it has not done Iraq a favor.

I find it interesting how this war went on to be " Operation Iraqui Freedom ".. presumably more palatable to the masses.. makes us feel good and honorable.. in spite of the fact that we had no reason, legitimate reason, for attacking as we did.

I would like one of the hardened pro war / Bush pundits to exaplain how our forces, especially the young ones who died, and those who still will, are fighting to protect our Liberty and Freedom... the current salve the rabid right wing radio stations are putting forth to ease the collective mind and discredit any anti war statements.

[gregk]

Originally posted by Chris A.
None of the musicians I have spoken to have changed their minds. They are aware of the twisted picture mainstream U.S. TV presents. One can watch the three major networks, CNN, CNBC and MSNBC (forget about Fox) and--if one didn't know better--think it is government-controlled TV.


Why forget about Fox? Simply because you don't agree with them? Seems rather arrogant

[Chris A.]

Originally posted by gregk


Why forget about Fox? Simply because you don't agree with them? Seems rather arrogant

Not because I don't agree with them, rather because they are so blatantly pro Bush/War that including them would be gratuitous.

[gregk]

Originally posted by Chris A.


Not because I don't agree with them, rather because they are so blatantly pro Bush/War that including them would be gratuitous.

This was part of the problem at the Blue Note board. If someone has a viewpoint not aligned with yours, then you dismiss them as being irrelevant. Many people in this country do not agree with the liberals and the French, and they shouldn't be discounted. I don't trust Fox News any more than I do CNN or MSNBC, but none of them are any less relevant than the others

[Chris A.]

Originally posted by gregk
I don't trust Fox News any more than I do CNN or MSNBC, but none of them are any less relevant than the others

I did not mention relevance, that's your term. What is relevant to one is irrelevant to another. Fox is so clearly on the side of Bush and his war, many of its talking heads (O'Reilly being a prime example) are not only totally biased, they have no compunction about making outright false statements. Because nobody can deny that Fox News--like all Murdoch outlets--is predisposed to blindly support Bush and the conservative Republican party line, including that outlet in my statement would have been to state the obvious. The other outlets I mentioned, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. have not always been as one-sided as they are now. Ergo Fox=no surprise; the other outlets, well, something to think (wonder) about. You have twisted what I said to make more out of it than it warrants.

Originally posted by gregk
This was part of the problem at the Blue Note board. If someone has a viewpoint not aligned with yours, then you dismiss them as being irrelevant

That is simply not true, as anyone (excluding the chronic fact-distorters) who read my posts on BN can tell you.

[connoisseur series500]

I understand Chris' viewpoint here, and do it myself. I do not watch CNN; in fact, I won't bother watching anything but FOX or PBS, the others are too biased towards liberals or infantile. So I do what Chris does; only I am on the opposite side. You can only watch one station at a time anyway. Boy, I love that O' Reilly! Must drive Chris nuts. Admit it, Chris, you probably watch him now and then. ;)

[Chris A.]

Originally posted by connoisseur series500
Boy, I love that O' Reilly! Must drive Chris nuts. Admit it, Chris, you probably watch him now and then. ;)

Actually. no. I have watched O'Reilly (even watched a Biography feature on him, and recall him from his local NYC work. I warched him on Fox a couple of times, but found him so obnoxious and biased that I decided my TV time is better spent elsewhere. Another very annoying guy is the squinty-eyed one on MSNBC. I'll catch them so that I can refer to them, but once ir twice is enough.

I used to watch CNN. but they have become such a Pentagon outlet that I find them hard to take now.

BTW, I ised to work with the guy who invented obnoxious talk shows, an ex-marine named Joe Pyne. Couldn't stand his shows (radio and TV), but he was a pretty nice person off the air.

[connoisseur series500]

I heard somewhere that O'Reilly has an unlisted phone number and keeps his address hidden. I'm sure he's got his share of people who would love to get a piece of him.

Let's face it: there's a large element of the tawdry in all the networks. Although, FOX better suits my politics, the people there get on my nerves. Those three people (forgot their names) that are on together (woman in the middle) are particularly infantile. One of them is a weather guy, I think.

[gregk]

I only trust the Wall St Journal for news anyway.....:)

[BFrank]

I only trust The Nation for news anyway..... :)

[Johnny E]

Originally posted by connoisseur series500
I do not watch CNN; in fact, I won't bother watching anything but FOX or PBS, the others are too biased towards liberals or infantile.


Isn't it supposed to be everybody's wish to find the most unbiased media as possible in order to better understand what's really happening?

Not for the conservatives. Unbelievable!

I got some advice fer ya': Think outside of Bush's box every once in a while. You might learn something.

[RDK]

I keep forgetting: is the media supposed to have a liberal or conservative bias? One seems to get a different answer each day... :confused: ;)

[jazzmusicianssister]

RDK, most people would tell you it's liberal but I would have to disagree. I think the media has been trending more toward a conservative bias, personally. The news media has become so corporate that it is really hard for conservatives to call it liberal anymore.