Who woupld you get to start the first.......

[RodneyDude]

What players would you choose to start the first metal jazz group?
I think it would be best to get some from both genres. Mayne getting a bassist and drummer from the metal side would be good, than a horn player and pianist from the jazz side. Tell me what you guys think.

[Coypu]

I think Sean Malone should do the bassparts, Paul Masvidal from Cynic or guitar 1 and some good sax player from jazz to complement with solos. And some jazz drummer who can both swing and blast (where do you find a guy like that?) But Maybe steve Flynn of Atheist, He was trained jazzdrummer.

[RodneyDude]

Wow, those are good ideas! As for a drummer that can play blastbeats and swing, that would be a hard thing to find. I think that maybe Joshua Redman would be a good choice as the sax player. Wow, this is a really good idea, image DeathJazz!

[Coypu]

I listen to a song by Joshua and I agree that he would work well in a death jazz band. I think that Luc Lemay from Gorguts would be good for vocals, he really has a unique and powerful and passionate voice.

I got some Atheist songs here for thoose who are interested in hearing Steve Flynn :
Atheist (http://galaxen.net/~coypu/musik/MX/Atheist%20-%20Unquestionable%20Presence%20%5b1991%5d/)

[RodneyDude]

All I can say to you is thank you for the link with all of those great tunes.I'm expanding my ears by listening to more metal and AI have you to thank. I really think this idea of Death Jazz will work and that many people will be blown away by this new breed of music.

[jazzypaul]

1) The drummer does nothing that would make me think he could swing at all.

2) such "complicated" music should be capable of more than arpeggios based over a I-IV progression.

3) Everytime you think they might hit a groove, somebody overplays. What's the point?

4) Just once, in a death metal song, lyrics that can be understood without a lyric sheet would be swell.

If that's all death metal can bring to the table, then I'd bring the Orkin man to this meeting of the minds to drop a bug bomb.

[Pharaohrock]

I'd make the foundation Lenny White, Geri Allen, and Buster Williams.


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Death Metal will never have any soul until it fuses itself with the power of a loose, versatile rhythm section.

[jazzypaul]

Actually, in all seriousness, you want a jazz metal band? Here goes...

Guitar: Vernon Reid

Bass: Christian McBride if we have to play with an electric bass, Kent Kessler if we can play an upright.

Drums: Hamid Drake. Maybe Rodney Greene if he's feeling saucy that day. Billy Kilson could also be scary good in this role.

Keys: Uri Caine on Rhodes, McCoy Tyner in an acoustic setting.

Reeds: Ari Brown, Fred Anderson, Ken Vandermark.

That band would be louder than bombs, looser than a las vegas whore and greasier than a slab of bacon from a cheeseburger eatin' pig.

[Pharaohrock]

Yeah, those cats would tear shit up! I don't know if McCoy would be willing to wear a purple wig though. lol. I hear he's pretty reserved.

- How about David Fiucynzski on guitar? Forgot about Jean-Paul Bourrelly too...and Roy Haynes can "rock" all night long in my book. His fills have more balls than most rockers solos.

Woody Shaw defines incendiary playing though.

[jazzypaul]

Actually, if you ever heard Duster by Gary Burton, then you already heard Roy play something rock-ish. And I heard him tear up a disco beat on some (thankfully) out of print 70's side once.

Fiuczynski would be great as well.

McCoy already has the pony-tail goin' on. Put him in a rusted out '76 Camaro Berlinetta, and he's ready to rock out.

Woody Shaw would be great, except for the whole "I'm dead" thing. That kinda puts a kink in things. lol.

[RodneyDude]

Thanks for being open to this. Thanks for the responses. This is indeed an interesting idea.

[valo]

What about Zorn on alto sax? He has agood command over be-bop/jazz licks and his more out-playing uses a lot of fiery, abrasive effects. Whatsmore, he has already tried fusing the speed and aggresiveness of death metal with Ornette's music on "Spy vs. Spy".

[Coypu]

Zorn would be perfect, he if any would also probably be very open to the whole idea.

You might even through in Mike Patton on vocals, he could never turn down a project like this since he is already a Atheist fan and have been doing similar things already with Mr Bungle.

[Coypu]

Originally posted by jazzypaul
1) The drummer does nothing that would make me think he could swing at all.

2) such "complicated" music should be capable of more than arpeggios based over a I-IV progression.

3) Everytime you think they might hit a groove, somebody overplays. What's the point?

4) Just once, in a death metal song, lyrics that can be understood without a lyric sheet would be swell.

If that's all death metal can bring to the table, then I'd bring the Orkin man to this meeting of the minds to drop a bug bomb.

The thing is that if you compare his drumming to any other DM drumming at that time period you will understand how much different it is. Even if you cannot hear it, his playing oozes with jazz influences, just compare it with the drumming of practically any DM band from 91 and you'll see.

Well they did very well considering that none of them knew any music theory. Their musicallity is incredible and they did it all on feeling.

You can here practically every word of what this guys sings :
unholy cult (http://galaxen.net/~coypu/musik/MX/Essentials/03-Unholy%20Cult.mp3)

[Coypu]

Originally posted by RodneyDude
All I can say to you is thank you for the link with all of those great tunes.I'm expanding my ears by listening to more metal and AI have you to thank. I really think this idea of Death Jazz will work and that many people will be blown away by this new breed of music.

Sure anytime, and if you ever want to hear something just name it and I'll upload it for you.

I think so too, it's nice to finally find someone who agrees in this.

[3pointdeli]

i would get:

john mclaughlin
billy cobham
jerry goodman
jan hammer
rick laird