Terminator Rules Land Of Fruits,Flakes And Nuts!

[bombastic]

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[bombastic]

They'll be alot of "groping" going on tonight in "Gropifornia"! There's a Group Grope over at Gropenator Headquarters heating up as we speak! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Chris A.]

Electing nitwits to office must be a trend.

I bet it doesn't take long for Californians to realize what fools they have been!

[bombastic]

We're on the same page here Chris-It started with "shrub" not being elected in November 2000.

[Noj]

By crikey, the world is going to hell in a handbasket.:indiff:

[jazzypaul]

Before you all get your panties in a bunch (I'm assuming it's a tiger striped thong for Chris and a bikini cut with polka dots for bombastic) one VERY good thing could come of this...

Arnie could, might just realize that he's green as grass and be a great delagator. With people like Buffett in his corner, and other moderates helping out, Arnie might just have a team made up of people that would rather coalition build than either continue on with liberal politics that don't work, or conservative politics that don't work in California. Let's take a look at Paul's political map again for details...

Liberal: Socialist assholes that should pay for all of their programs out of their pockets, not mine.

Conservative: Fascist assholes that should quit trying to rule the land with their moral values and start ruling the land with a sense of fairness -- and dare I say it -- honesty.

Moderate: assholes that see good in both sides, but can't commit to either.

Libertarians: the only ones that get it right. Spend as little as possible, legislate as little as possible, let people try to get a little bit of that pursuit of happiness.

There were two libertarian candidates running. Neither one got any press. You idiots were too busy knocking Arnie and pumping Davis to notice.

[bombastic]

Paul-That's because YOU are Libertarian. Everyone thinks THEY are right. Liberal is a good word. Look it up! I think it's pretty embarrassing that the terminator was elected. Not for me,but for the people of california. I don't appreciate being called an "idiot"-I don't regard you as such, and i'd appreciate mutual respect.

[Noj]

Now Arnold can grope his female advisors/secretaries/aides/campaign contributors/wives of campaign contributors...

I heard the reason Arnold hasn't done more directing or producing movies is because he "doesn't like meetings." Oh yeah, this clown was MADE for politics.:laugh:

[bombastic]

H.L. Mencken: "No one ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the american public." I think californians proved it tonight. Bush supporters have been proving it over and over and over.

[jazzypaul]

Bombastic --

Liberal may be a good word. Makes up a good chunk of libertarian as well. The difference? Libertarians believe in a hand up mentality as opposed to a hand out philosophy. I have enough faith in the human race to know that given the opportunity to work, learn english and support a family, they will. Liberals, on the other hand, have no faith in humanity and expect that they can take care of everyone. I'm sorry, that's not cynical, that's downright degrading. Come over to my side, Bombastic, it's not as crowded, and we could use a few more characters.

[BFrank]

Unfortunately one of Arnie's main behind-the-scenes playmakers is former Gov. Pete Wilson. That's the man that got us into the situation we're in. Davis was just unlucky enought to inherit the mess and wasn't smart enough to right the ship.

[Chris A.]

California dreaming....



...a nightmare!

[3pointdeli]

Originally posted by David Gitin
As one of the folks in California, all I can say is "how are things in your town?" (Remember Ken Nordine's routine?) In short, see that you (non-Californians) don't elect him President in a few years..

things in atlanta are a constant race struggle. it's bullshit befitting a terribly mismanaged and hateful city.

don't elect who president? arnold? he isn't eligible to be president. ken nordine? he's dead, but he'd probably still beat john ashcroft in an election.

[clifton]

Arnold may be a political naif, but you can rest assured he'll be a hands-on governor (sorry, couldn't resist).

[joefont]

Arnie and the state will be just fine! Even former two-term Gov Jerry Brown and San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, both longtime, legendary Lefties in California politics, have said that they believe that Arnold will be a successful governor. But to me what's even more significant than Arnold being elected is the fact that 62% of the voters voted Republican. This is in a state that is overwhelmingly Democrat and liberal and where virually every elected post in the state is run by a Democrat . A harbinger of things to come?

"You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows" - Bob Dylan

"Being Governor of a state is really no more complicated than most other things in life" - Jerry Brown

[HOT CAKES]

As a resident of California, this is one of our low points. I know people here who voted for Schwarzenegger solely on the popularity of his movies. Yikes, his movies are reprehensible! He never said anything substantial throughout his campaign because he knew he could cash in on his popularity. Trying to extract some sort of reason for why somebody would vote for this clown, I usually have people saying, "Well, why not?" or " I don't know, he's Arnold, man!" Morons, all of them!!!

Fact of the matter, also, is that the recalled governor, Davis, was a spineless, shifty politician. Al Gore might have more personality than this guy. He did not take charge of the energy crisis when he needed to step up and show leadership and he also refused responsibility for the fiscal situation that followed.
This recall may, I fear, set a continuous cycle of recalls upon recalls here in California.

How's Oregon these days?

HC

[joefont]

Originally posted by HOT CAKES
Al Gore might have more personality than this guy.

I blame Davis' parents. I mean, who would name their kid Gray? Seems like the guy's personality was shaped by his name! ;)

[BFrank]

It's a shame that the "success" of a politician these days lies entirely on his/her personality. It just opens the floodgates for actors, wrestlers, pundits and crooks.


BTW, Ken Nordine is NOT dead. He recently performed at the SF Jazz Festival.

[3pointdeli]

whoa, i could have sworn he died a few years ago. i'm glad to be wrong.

[RDK]

Originally posted by bombastic
I don't appreciate being called an "idiot"-I don't regard you as such, and i'd appreciate mutual respect.

This strikes me as rather disingenuous, Bomb, considering you started this thread by insulting all of us in California as "fruits, flakes, and nuts." :rolleyes:

Though I didn't vote for Arnie, I'm afraid I agree with Paul on this one...

[bombastic]

It's kind of like Davis is the 98 pound weakling who gets sand kicked in his face by the muscleman in the charles atlas cartoon. A pathetic girly man, as hans and frans would say. :laugh: Maybe that was the archetype the people perceived.

[bombastic]

I'm not referring to you personally, man. That's just a funny way to refer to california. Obviously, i'm not referring to every citizen of that state.

[joefont]

Originally posted by RDK
This strikes me as rather disingenuous, Bomb, considering you started this thread by insulting all of us in California as "fruits, flakes, and nuts." :rolleyes:


Hey RDK, don't let it getcha in a twist! Consider the source! This is from a guy IN FLORIDA!

"Duuuhhhh....how do you work this punch card thingy???"

(all in good-natured fun) ;)

[RDK]

Hey, *I* know we're all fruits, nuts, and flakes - I just don't like some outsider calling us that! :D

Besides, when it comes to elected officials, those in glass houses and all that... double-:D

[bombastic]

Font-You mean Flori-duh!!!:laugh: And we're stuck with a bush-the i.q.s not much higher than the Gropenator!!! :smokin: It's all dumb! the whole country!

[bombastic]

A corpse may have more personality than gray. :indiff:

[RDK]

Yeah, why do we even need governors anyway? What exactly do they *do*?

:p

[marvin g]

My cousin in California thinks this is sick! :laugh:

I can't seem to understand why somebody who is generally loved in Hollywood would WANT to be hated by going into politics!!! Just don't understand it!
:confused:

[bombastic]

I couldn't stand his movies either. He was always a big, dumb robot. Now he's a big, dumb Governor.:laugh:

[clifton]

A serious question: did California's voters toss out Davis and sweep in Schwartzenegger because they are angry, and I mean very angry, with an incumbent? Keep in mind that Arnold is perceived as moderate to liberal on social issues, and was perceived as an outsider running against the establishment. Also keep in mind that an initative to end the practice of the state's tracking racial demographics was soundly trounced. Conservatives are spinning this as a sound endorsement of right wing Republican policies. But when you take a closer look, it's all gray area, no pun intended. And if it truly portends anti-incumbent fever, 2004 is going to defy a lot of expectations.

[BFrank]

I don't think it's any of the reasons stated.

I think the reason that the recall won and Arnold won is pure celebrity worship. Too many people see "The Terminator" and his TV wife and his scripted sound bites and they say to themselves - "I want Arnold". They "know" him (they think) and they don't have a clue who Gray Davis is. They're told that he's a loser and screwed things up, so that's what they believe.

[joefont]

Originally posted by clifton
A serious question: did California's voters toss out Davis and sweep in Schwartzenegger because they are angry, and I mean very angry, with an incumbent? Keep in mind that Arnold is perceived as moderate to liberal on social issues, and was perceived as an outsider running against the establishment. Also keep in mind that an initative to end the practice of the state's tracking racial demographics was soundly trounced. Conservatives are spinning this as a sound endorsement of right wing Republican policies. But when you take a closer look, it's all gray area, no pun intended. And if it truly portends anti-incumbent fever, 2004 is going to defy a lot of expectations.

I think we just entered a brave new political world. I don't think its anti-incumbent fever per se, but anti-"politics-as-usual". People here have had it up to their eyeballs with how the political complex has been operating. It really isn't about Republican/Democrat or conservative/liberal, but about an out-of-control political establishment that has become so corrupt, so incestuous and so unresponsive to the will of the people. It has become this beast that believes that the people exist to serve its needs. Well, the people are fighting the beast and I think it could only take an outsider to lead the way. Gray Davis didn't "get it" until the very end. Most people understand that the problems aren't all Davis' fault; there's plenty of blame to go around. But he became the poster boy for everything that is wrong with government.

Representative Nancy Pelosi said today that she is against the idea of a recall because she didn't believe that politicians shouldn't have to constantly "look over their shoulder". She still doesn't get it; our elected officials SHOULD be looking over their shoulders. She seems to have forgotten who she's working for! Starting today, you ignore the will of the people at your own peril. This is the message the people of California are attempting to convey. Given the current atmosphere here, Pelosi may have just commited political suicide with that statement.

People want change in how their government operates, and if the Legislature resists or stands in his way, Arnold has the power and charisma to do an end-run and go directly to the people who are now just itching to "throw the bums out". Make no mistake about it, the people here are VERY ANGRY! With the enthusiastic support of the majority of voters, support from the Bush White House and the support and contacts from the Shriver wing of the Kennedy clan, Arnold Schwartzenegger has just become one of the most powerful politicians in the nation. The political establishment have been put on notice; change your ways or you're history.

[BFrank]

I'm not too sure that he will have a lot of support from Bush. I just read something that indicated that his views are way too moderate for the Bush clan. Not only that, he might try to hit them up for some Federal funding for the state.

This is the first positive angle I have heard on this whole circus.

Having the Kennedy's in his family is going to push a lot of conservative buttons, as well.

If nothing else, it's going to be interesting.......at least for a while.

[Swinger]

I'm not sure how to comment on this one.When I turned on my tv yesterday at 7.15am local time I couldn't believe that Arnie had won the race.

I have nothing personal against Arnie but I agreed with my friend who said "If you have enough money,publicity and you talk about some painful issues in right places you can virtually become anything in the USA". This surely applies to Arnie.

Is he going to overthrown George W. Bush some day? :)

[joefont]

Originally posted by BFrank
I'm not too sure that he will have a lot of support from Bush. I just read something that indicated that his views are way too moderate for the Bush clan. Not only that, he might try to hit them up for some Federal funding for the state.

Arnold has had dealings (his fitness programs) with the Bush family that go back a decade and in fact, he is considered a family friend. As far as his hitting up the Feds for funds, he as much stated that very thing today at his first press conference. And why wouldn't Bush cough up addtional funding to the state? With Arnold in charge, the state may very well be in play for the '04 Presidental election. Additional funding from Bush would only put him (Bush) in a more favorable light to moderates (who are the vast majority here) thus increasing his chances of taking the state; and if Bush wins California, he'll most likely be a shoo-in for reelection. I have no doubt that additional cash is coming to Sacramento. This is something Davis could not do.

Having the Kennedy's in his family is going to push a lot of conservative buttons, as well.

Not really a major worry since the vast majority of people here are political moderates who would have little problem with the Kennedy connection. Arnold got little support from hard-core conservatives (they went for McClintock) so their lack of support would have minimal impact on him.

BTW: I probably get more California political news as I live in Sacramento; so I have available to me the local publications that have a lot of "little facts" (especially about Bustamante) that doesn't generally get out to the rest of the country.

[BFrank]

Alright, Joe. You killed the miniscule hope that I had for anything positive coming out of this.

I still don't think it will be a positive for "W" next year, though. He's proven himself to be much more right-wing than anyone imagined in 2000. As you said, this state is pretty moderate, especially the Republicans.

[clifton]

Thoughtful points all around. Celebrity worship played a part in this, to be sure, but I agree that people are very angry. That anger will translate into anti-incumbent fever, I think, because incumbency is, by its very nature, business as usual. I submit that the same voter anger is driving the Howard Dean campaign. Dean is also perceived as an outsider, and he just finished raising $14.8 million dollars in the last quarter alone, largely from small donations, including one from me. So yes, voters are angry, and not just in California.

[bombastic]

I think it's a case of the drones voting for a Droid. He's a familiar Robot from the big pictures.

[KolumBUZZ]

Someone told me that in the movie Demolition Man, a character made a reference to Ah-nold having become governor of California and then later being elected President of the U.S. (after a constitutional amendment was passed to allow immigrants to do so....)

Can anyone verify whether this is true?

If so, this is some sickass, hilarious irony/prophecy.

[Noj]

Jesse "The Body" Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger...some other state should elect Carl "Apollo Creed" Weathers governor, and most of the squad from PREDATOR will have held a major position for the government.:laugh:

[bombastic]

It's pretty scary when you think about it. We already had one bad actor as president. Think of the possibilities in a dumbed down country like america. Horror of Holy Horrors-President Sylvester Stallone!!! Nah! It couldn't happen here. Bad Actor?-President? He wasn't born here, was he? :eek: The masses might just be stupid enough to fall for that rocky/rambo crap. They fell for it in movie theatres. :confused:

[Johnj]

I watched 'Demolition Man' on cable the other day and it was actually quite amusing in parts. Anyway, it is indeed true that Sandra Bullock advises Sylvester Stallone that, while he was sleeping, Arnold Schwarzenneger was elected Governor of California and subsequently President after the passing of a constitutional amendment.

[KolumBUZZ]

Oh man, that is too much. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Both I guess would be the appropriate response.

[Alexander]

I do think this spells bad news for Bush, despite all the claims that this was just about "Hollywood Hero Worship." The Bush team wants to put a brave face on it, claiming that this is a Republican victory, but they are scared to death. A Governor was removed from office because the people in his state were angry about his performance, particularly on the economy. A lot of analysts are saying that this could easily be a predictor for next year: It's a bad time to be an incumbent. There's a lot of voter anger and a lot of blame. Bush can't stimulate the economy, we're losing jobs at an alarming rate, Iraq and Afghanistan are turning into expensive quagmires, they can't find Bin Ladin, they can't find Saddam, they can't find WMDs, they can't find the leak in the White House...Is this record any better than Grey Davis? Bush has a lot of questions to answer next November, and Wesley Clark's numbers are climbing. I'm thinking that "One Term" might become a Bush family curse...

[davef]

Alexander - that's my spin on it exactly, and yes this California resident did vote for the Governator...

Davis sucked, and was IMO one of the dirtiest politicians I have seen on either party. I'm on a big anti-dirty politician count right now and if it keeps up, this absolutely will dictate my vote in 2004.

[bombastic]

Well, if you're anti-dirty politicians-you'll vote Bush's dirty ass out of office in November 2004. Right On!

[clifton]

Today Arnold went public with an energy plan, the centerpiece of which involves electricity deregulation. Now, I admit up front I'm not a Californian, but from what I've read, deregulation is what allowed huge companies like Enron to corner the electricity market out there and sell power back to California at outrageous prices. This strikes me as business as usual, and I can't imagine that Californians really want the same old same old. I raise the possibility that Arnold will, for better or worse, govern like Pete Wilson did.

[bombastic]

The Terminator is just a figurehead-with the same old bland politicians pulling the strings behind him. Pete Wilson, former California Governor, Richard Riordon, former Los Angeles Mayor. They voted in the same idiot they voted out for all practical purposes.