Transcription: Wayne Shorter in "E.S.P."

[Sly_R]

It's been ten months since my last contribution, but at long last:

http://webpages.charter.net/slyraymond/lessons.html

I just added "E.S.P." (concert pitch with guitar TAB)

Hope you all like it.

Stay tuned for Paul Desmond's "Blue Rondo" solo. IMO, the best blues solo in history.

[jazzbluescat]

Thanks.

Seems that Shorter forgot that was supposed to be an Altered E7 at first. :)

[EdByrne]

Thanks.

Seems that Shorter forgot that was supposed to be an Altered E7 at first. :)

This suggests what I have been saying in a variety of threads here: I'd bet my house that Wayne did not write any such "modal" chords as "alt," which is not a chord, but a prescription for a scale as a basis for improvisation. I have many of Herbie's (with whom I have performed) lead sheets, and he doesn't notate in that manner: Indeed, I have NEVER played with a world class artist who thought this way.

Parker, who kept his chords relatively simple so that he and his musicians would be free to interpret the chords in a wide variety of ways, understood that the more alterations one puts in the chords the more restricted one becomes; but to prescribe SCALES to musicians in lead sheets is amaturish and presumptuous in my view.

[Mario Abbagliati]

[QUOTE=EdByrne;293002] I have many of Herbie's (with whom I have performed) lead sheets, and he doesn't notate in that manner: Indeed, I have NEVER played with a world class artist who thought this way.QUOTE]

Do you have Dolphin Dance? Would you mind posting it? And Wayne's Nefertiti?:)

[BolivarBaLues]

While you're at it, Ed, how about the Colonel's eleven herbs and spices? Perhaps the formula for Coke?

[EdByrne]

While you're at it, Ed, how about the Colonel's eleven herbs and spices? Perhaps the formula for Coke?

Can't help you there, Bo, but would you settle for a chord scale with some of your favorite notes in it? First, we'll flatten all the notes and make them hip.

:D :confused2 :elephant: :guitar: :banana: :shrug: :tanz: :clap: :angel :cheers :gavel:

[jazzbluescat]

Point taken, Ed. I should have learned that by now.

E=MC² :secret

[Phat Boi]

Ed,


Do you believe that slash chords are too much information? Say for instance I want to indicate a pedal point with the 5th in the bass. I could write that as Amin7/E.

[Slant]

Dolphin Dance is in the Real Book last time I checked! Not sure what volume...

[EdByrne]

Ed,


Do you believe that slash chords are too much information? Say for instance I want to indicate a pedal point with the 5th in the bass. I could write that as Amin7/E.

Not at all: It's necessary information. otherwise it will raise questions among the chord players when something other than the root is in the bass ostinato.

[EdByrne]

Dolphin Dance is in the Real Book last time I checked! Not sure what volume...

I'm not sure it's accurate there: I'll have to compare it with my transcription.

[Phat Boi]

Ok I gotcha. I also don't use the ALT symbols that's a little to ambiguous for my taste. I can't even imagine how crappy it would sound if people wrote in an 7ALT chord in "All Blues" rather then a 7#9 and the cat comping happened to play a different chord lacking the same character.

[jlee]

I also don't use the ALT symbols that's a little to ambiguous for my taste.

The people I listen to, and the kind of music I like to play -- straightahead, melodic improvisation -- have *never* played a single line I'd analyze as "alt."

Just from knowing the scale, of course, I know sort of what the sound is like, but out of curiosity, where (in which solo, in which bar, etc.) is the scale predominantly used? And for it to qualify as alt, I'd need to hear *zero* plain ninths and perfect fifths, except as chromatic passing tones.

I'm really serious about this: it's just not a part of the repertoire of people I've transcribed, but I'd be excited to hear the scale actually *used* as opposed to just talked about. I'm pretty sure my ignorance is a symptom of not having heard the feature pointed out to me, or not having transcribed the same people -- all the same, it would be nice to see exactly *what* melodies everyone seems to be talking about which use the melminoralt scale.

Another thing I find *funny* is the use of the ALT symbol in books of transcriptions of people like Bud Powell and Bill Evans -- where does *that* come from? I don't have anything against the sound, per se, but *how* could one infer that scale from those two musicians, of all people?

[Phat Boi]

I'm not the biggest advocate of modal thinking. I remain open minded though. It all just boils down to different methods of navigating and intellectualizing. Sometimes I think about that stuff especially when I don't know a tune very well and I'm thinking of stuff I can play over it and I kinda gotta fake it.