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EdByrne
June 6th, 2007, 07:54 AM
Hi Folks:

By special request, I am posting my transcription of Charles Mingus' Goodbye Porkpie Hat. I didn't have time to recopy it into Finale, but I plan to soon, along with a detailed analysis. It is a beautiful blues ballad, written in homage to the then recently-departed Lester Young. I always loved playing this composition with Mingus, who in turn enjoyed sitting down at the piano and discussing his composition and orchestration style with me.

In the case of a sophisticated tune such as this or Herbie Hancock's Dolphin Dance, I think it's always best to do a transcription rather than trust the Real Book, since it's not a standard tune that you'd probably reharmonize anyway. More about that later.

Notice that the form of the exposition is changed for the solos.

One of the truly special things about Charles Mingus' writing style can be found in the coda (see transcription below), in which he uses an F pedal point for the 2-measure coda, involving an Fsus followed by a GbMA7/F bass (3rd inversion). From my analyses of various Debussy and Ravel scores, I've found that often the omission of just one note makes something profoundly different and charming.

In this case, the omission of the 7th of the F chord is very special; and the 2-measure pedal point is very subtle. Another relatively unusual feature is his use of mMA7 chords in which the major seventh doesn't resolve or function in a line cliché: They remain unresolved, creating tension and color as a sort of alternative version of the more common m7 chord.

Click here:

http://www.freejazzinstitute.org/showposts.php?dept=transcriptions&topic=20070605144106_EdByrne

Please feel free to post comments and ask questions.

Best,
Ed Byrne

ingeneri
June 6th, 2007, 08:01 AM
Wow! Thanks Ed that's a very cool transcription. Makes a hell of a lot more sense then the Real Book changes and I can't wait to try it out when I get home. Thanks again.

EdByrne
June 6th, 2007, 08:19 AM
Wow! Thanks Ed that's a very cool transcription. Makes a hell of a lot more sense then the Real Book changes and I can't wait to try it out when I get home. Thanks again.

ingereri,

I'm so glad you like it, and I hope you can put it to good use. When I get time I'll supply a detailed analysis as well.

We have Brian Price to thank for creating this excellent web site, specifically designed to enable us at the AAJ forum to offer such notated musical examples.

Please stay tuned for much more.

Best,
Ed

gennation
June 7th, 2007, 09:19 AM
You da Man, Ed! Very cool!

Jakeweiser
June 7th, 2007, 09:22 AM
No need for Finale, great hand written chart.

jazzbluescat
June 8th, 2007, 06:29 AM
Thanks Ed, you're a gentleman and a scholar, and there are very few of us left.:)

[I wanted to hear your complete solo on Another You(?)....]

re: Real Book Porkpie, et al, changes.

I always figured the changes were OK, that the reader was supposed to figure out which chords were altered and what were blues notes for himself. Anyhow, your transcription of the blowing changes both clarify and simplify what's going on. thanks again

EdByrne
June 8th, 2007, 07:36 AM
Thanks for your positive replies, All. I've added a compete harmonic analysis to the post, so you may want to check it out again. Very unusual thinking on M's part!

Shane Reilly
June 8th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Fantatic Ed,thanks.I'm working on this tune at the moment,this is great timing.I'm a guitarist but I also play pedal steel and this tune sounds beautiful on that instrument.By the way,did you know Mingus played with Alvino Rey's (band leader and pedal steel player) Big Band for a stint early on?I read this just recently myself,hard to get any details about,I might post a ? in another section.I'll digest the info and get back with ????s.Cheers,Shane.

EdByrne
June 11th, 2007, 10:01 PM
Fantatic Ed,thanks.I'm working on this tune at the moment,this is great timing.I'm a guitarist but I also play pedal steel and this tune sounds beautiful on that instrument.By the way,did you know Mingus played with Alvino Rey's (band leader and pedal steel player) Big Band for a stint early on?I read this just recently myself,hard to get any details about,I might post a ? in another section.I'll digest the info and get back with ????s.Cheers,Shane.

Shane,

I'm glad that you're getting something out of this.

No, I don't know anything about AR (like to, though), or his possible involvement with M.

I'd like to hear your pedal steel instrument.

Do stay in touch with questions and observations.

Best,
Ed

dieselcruiserhead
June 22nd, 2007, 12:44 PM
That is killer.. I came across this thread doing a google search to see which mingus songs are listed in the old hand written real book.. As I happened to be listening to the original album version of this song... I am literally listening to it as we speak..

Anyway, killer and thank you very much.. I'm 28 and can only imagine what it would have been like to play with a guy like and have discussions on music with Charles Mingus.. Just killer..

EdByrne
June 26th, 2007, 06:17 AM
That is killer.. I came across this thread doing a google search to see which mingus songs are listed in the old hand written real book.. As I happened to be listening to the original album version of this song... I am literally listening to it as we speak..

Anyway, killer and thank you very much.. I'm 28 and can only imagine what it would have been like to play with a guy like and have discussions on music with Charles Mingus.. Just killer..

Glad you like it, d. Check out "Dolphin Dance"!

Joe Goal
June 27th, 2007, 08:02 PM
Thank You!

Mingus is quite an inspiration, especially to bass players like me. Good work!