What y'all think about the U.S.- led invasion of Haiti?

[trane_fanatic]

The Bush administration knows no shame.

[Tenorman]

Interference in something that does not concern them

[Alexander]

Did somebody find oil in Hati?

[Saundra Hummer]

Not that we have heard of, but we do know of oil fires, then ones using oil to start tires burning.

Why did we help this man in the first place?

[trane_fanatic]

Interesting...

http://www.madre.org/country_haiti_crisis.html

http://www.democracynow.org

:frown2:

[trane_fanatic]

Another case of the U.S. seeing a situation where they can implement a government of their own, in a way.

Additionally, the guys they're negotiating with are not exactly model citizens. They're courrpt cops and drug traffickers. Say what you want about Aristide, he was popularly elected by a overwhelming majority in an election that was oversaw by the international community. The U.S. has created a death trap for a lotta innocent citizens now if these "rebels" get into power.

[Tenorman]

Really just adds fuel to my suspicions. After 2 years in the country I left Liberia just prior to the military coup in April 1980. Since then Liberia has witnessed some of the worst examples of inter-tribal massacres. One report I read estimated that around one third of the population had been killed in the 20 odd years of unrest.

Now I am not sure of the precise relationship between Liberia and the US, but the Liberian dollar was on a par with the US dollar, so I would tend to call it an American protectorate. Compared to Liberia, Haiti so far has been a Sunday-School picnic. Why was there no attempt to sort things out in Liberia

[Tim M. Honest]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Chaos in Haiti is not the fault of the USA or any administration. Get real.

[trane_fanatic]

Originally posted by Tim M. Honest
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Chaos in Haiti is not the fault of the USA or any administration. Get real.

:confused: Bush and his team had a clear choice to defend Aristide.

Instead, they let a bunch of thugs take over Haiti. As many of you probably saw on the news yesterday, the mass slaughter has already started.

[Andy D]

This is another example of 'selected' intervention, which US Governments seem to do very well. There are many conflicts that the US do not always create, but that has not stopped them becoming involved, if there is some strategic or economic reason foe doing this.

Regards

Andy D.

[Saundra Hummer]

I'm not a French Basher, but it seems that the French should be doing their share to help out in Haiti as it was a colony of theirs at one time. It was their policies that have fostered what is happening there now. It may have been a long time ago, but hard feelings about what has happened in these colonized countries, is, and has come back to haunt us all, look at our problems here in this country alone.

What is happening there now isn't something that doesn't affect other peoples around the globe, it does and is. All of the prosperous countries in the world should be helping with humanitarian issues, and if for no other reason, than for global health. global enviromental issues and for, and with, any other number of sensible reasons.

For goodness sake, education is the salvation of countries like these, and there are educators out there that would love to have such a challange. Many forms of education are out there, ethical as well as regular academics. The arts have always helped tremendously in countries. and it looks as though this is the way to go there, all forms of education, to prevent these things from happening in the future.

[Tim M. Honest]

Originally posted by trane_fanatic
:confused: Bush and his team had a clear choice to defend Aristide.

Instead, they let a bunch of thugs take over Haiti. As many of you probably saw on the news yesterday, the mass slaughter has already started.

From my perspective, it's far from clear that the Aristide thugs were preferable to other Haitian thugs.

Also, I have yet to see the "mass slaughter" of which you speak. Chaos and looting, yes. That situation has existed for some weeks.

The USA "fixed" Haiti some years ago. Nice results.

[Andy D]

Seems to me that US Governments have a history of 'messing' things up, and then in some kind of moral crusade, trying to put the problem right.

Problem is that it has an equally poor history of 'fixing' these problems.

Regards

Andy D.

[trane_fanatic]

Originally posted by Tim M. Honest
From my perspective, it's far from clear that the Aristide thugs were preferable to other Haitian thugs.

Also, I have yet to see the "mass slaughter" of which you speak. Chaos and looting, yes. That situation has existed for some weeks.

The USA "fixed" Haiti some years ago. Nice results.

News Link (http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2004/02/12/344408.html) , and that was nearly a month ago.

Like Andy D said, not much of a "fix".

[clifton]

These days I post on political threads with great reluctance, but there is a salient fact about Aristide I thought worth mentioning. Under his administration, Haiti gained its first minimum wage law, and he was enforcing it against American corporations and their subcontractors. Draw your own conclusions.

[It Should be You]

I like to keep as sharp and "up to date" as our current administration, which is why I say we have nothing to fear but fear itself, and brother can you spare a dime. If we don't take care of Haiti, then our enemies the Spanish gallions and the French may soon overtake Canada and we may never have Texas in the Union. Barbary pirates messing with the Web...only these days it's music, not gold

Anybody here know what Martha Stewart knows for stock on the Teapot Dome?:confused:

[Saundra Hummer]

I never knew until recently that the Barbary Pirates were Jewish, and had leaders who were women, or one who was.

[Tim M. Honest]

Originally posted by Saundra Hummer
I never knew until recently that the Barbary Pirates were Jewish, and had leaders who were women, or one who was.

Why on Earth would you say the Barbary pirates were Jewish? The overwelming number of them were Muslims, mostly Arab and Berbers, though there were other creeds and nationalities in their boats. They were no more Jewish than the PLO, though.

[Saundra Hummer]

I did a search about them on Google, and this is what I came up with, surprsed the daylights out of me, it really did, and one of their leaders was a woman, and that even surprised me more. A picture of one of them looks just like a Jewish friend of mine, and her sister. Amazing.

I know that they are susposed to be Muslim in this day and age, and in the not too distant past. When they switched over is something I don't remember.

Did you see the movie with Candice Bergen and Sean Connery, where he plays a Barbary Pirate, and she plays the friend of Teddy Roosevelt, I believe she played a friend of his, anyway, it was in Teddy Roosevelts time, I really enjoyed that movie. An odd situation.

Well they say the Palistinians are from the sea, and they think they were originally Greek, strange world isn't it?

[Saundra Hummer]

I looked it up again and it is the Jewish High Priestess, ( a Jewish Convert) Kahina who led the Jews againt the Muslims. 760 AD. Long, long time ago. I wasn't meaning recently, but we all have roots that are interconnected when we dig deep enough, or so it seems.

Having said this, I should probably have said Berbers, who lived on the Barbary coast, not Pirates, although I haven't gone into their history that much, just a smidgen.

[Saundra Hummer]

Got me going on the history thing again, and I ran across this and found it very informative, another story not taught in our history books. Look this one up, you will find it very unusual.


http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5621/melungeons.html


After .com it is like this: Heartland/Meadows/5621/melungeons.html

Why it won't come across in it's entirety I don't know, so it's split up here, just don't duplicate any words, and it will come out for you.


I think you might enjoy reading this, I really did. Off the track, but that is how real conversations go.