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Chris A
March 1st, 2004, 05:15 AM
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THE MYTH OF THE 'GOOD' NADER
Make You Ralph
by Jonathan Chait
Post date: 02.29.04
Issue date: 03.08.04

As Ralph Nader prepares for another spoiler run at the presidency, liberals are again wringing their hands at the damage he may do not only to Democrats' chances of retaking the White House but to his own reputation as well. "The most regrettable thing about Mr. Nader's new candidacy is not how it is likely to affect the election, but how it will affect Mr. Nader's own legacy," editorialized The New York Times this week. "Ralph Nader has been one of the giants of the American reform movement. ... t would be a tragedy if Mr. Nader allowed [his anger] to give the story of his career a sad and bitter ending." The same theme was sounded in November of 2000. "Bernie Sanders is right. Ralph Nader is 'one of the heroes of contemporary American society,'" argued Eric Alterman in [i]The Nation. "How sad, therefore, that he is helping to undo so much of his life's work in a misguided fit of political pique and ideological purity." As Robert Scheer lamented in the Los Angeles Times, "What Nader did was to impulsively betray a lifetime of painstaking, frustrating, but most often effective, efforts on his part to make a better world. He is a good man who went very wrong."_

The good-man-who-went-wrong assessment of Nader is virtually unchallenged among liberals. But, if you think about it for a moment, it's awfully strange. Heroes of history do not normally reverse themselves out of the blue. George Washington did not end his days pining for a return of the British monarchy to U.S. shores. George Orwell did not suddenly warm to the virtues of totalitarianism. Nor, for that matter, did Ralph Nader go wrong after decades of doing good. The qualities that liberals have observed in him of late--the monomania, the vindictiveness, the rage against pragmatic liberalism--have been present all along. Indeed, an un-blinkered look at Nader's public life shows that his presidential campaigns represent not a betrayal of his earlier career but its apotheosis._

Nader made his name with the 1965 publication of Unsafe at Any Speed, an exposé of the Chevy Corvair. Today, people generally remember the ways in which Nader was right--the appalling lack of concern for safety in the automobile industry and the need for federal regulations. Few realize that Nader's campaign against the Corvair was only the most visible edge of an uncompromising, conspiratorial worldview. Nader believed not only that the Corvair was dangerous but that General Motors (GM) knew it was. Justin Martin, in his fair-minded 2002 biography, Nader: Crusader, Spoiler, Icon, shows how Nader hounded liberal Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff into investigating whether GM had lied about what it knew in testimony before Congress. In a letter to Ribicoff, Nader wrote, "Now comes decisive evidence which reveals a labyrinthic and systematic intra-company collusion, involving high General Motors officials, to sequester and suppress company data and films." Nader insisted he had an array of inside sources and documents that would reveal this conspiracy. Ribicoff dutifully assigned a pair of staffers to the case, and they spent two years chasing down Nader's leads. None of them panned out. The investigators found no evidence that GM knew of the Corvair's safety flaws. The failure to confirm Nader's suspicions enraged him. "He could not let go of the Corvair issue," one of the staffers told Martin. "He was fixated. And, if you didn't accept or believe the same things he did, you were either stupid or venal."_

During the late '60s and early '70s, Nader developed a reputation as a wonk's wonk, a data-driven do-gooder with a stack of papers perpetually tucked under his arm. In fact, even then his work was driven by ideologically motivated fanaticism. In 1971, Nader pressured one of his associates, Lowell Dodge, to sex up his study "Small on Safety: The Designed-in Dangers of the Volkswagen." In his self-proclaimed 1976 hatchet job, Me & Ralph, former TNR managing editor David Sanford describes how Nader insisted that Dodge rewrite the conclusion of the study so that it began, "The Volkswagen is the most hazardous car in use in significant numbers in the U.S. today." Objecting that "the conclusion is not reflected in the data," Dodge left the project, allowing others to take credit as principal authors. "I have always carried around considerable guilt about what I regard as the extreme intellectual dishonesty of that conclusion," he told Sanford._

Nader's true fame came not from Unsafe at Any Speed but from the fact that its publication prompted GM to hire a private investigator to dig up damaging personal information that might discredit him. The irony is that Nader's grandiose paranoia predated this episode. Before publishing Unsafe at Any Speed, Nader worked as an obscure functionary at the Labor Department under then-Assistant Secretary Pat Moynihan. "Ralph was a very suspicious man," Moynihan told Charles McCarry in his 1972 biography Citizen Nader. "He used to warn me that the phones at the Labor Department might be tapped. I'd say, 'Fine! They'll learn that the unemployment rate for March is 5.3 percent, that's what they'll learn.'"_

Nader's friends recalled that often he would act furtively, speaking in code, always convinced he was being monitored or phone-tapped. When he insisted in 1966 that he was being followed, one of his friends replied, according to Martin, "Ralph, your paranoia has grown to new extremes." Of course, it turned out that in that instance Nader was being followed. But this merely proved the old adage that sometimes even the paranoid have enemies plotting against them._

Nader sued GM and won $425,000, which he used to found activist organizations that helped push through a staggering series of consumer and environmental reforms, most of them in the late '60s and early '70s. Nader rightly wins credit for spurring progress during the era. And yet, even during his heyday, Nader habitually denounced liberals and their work, sabotaging the very causes he claimed to believe in. Martin's biography is filled with examples. In 1970, Nader championed a report by his staff savaging Ed Muskie, the liberal senator from Maine. Muskie, who helped engineer the Air Quality Act of 1967, had a reputation as an environmental ally, but Nader's report called the act "disastrous," adding, "That fact alone would warrant his being stripped of his title as 'Mr. Pollution Control.'"_

That same year, the Senate overwhelmingly passed a bill to create a Consumer Protection Agency (CPA), what Nader called his highest legislative goal. But, just days after praising the bill, Nader turned against it, saying that "intolerable erosions" had rendered the bill "unacceptable." As Martin writes, "Without Nader's backing, the bill lost momentum" and died in committee. The pattern repeated itself, as the CPA passed either the House or the Senate five more times over the next six years, but Nader rejected every bill as too compromised. "Ralph could have had a consumer agency bill in any of three Congresses," liberal consumer activist and former Nader associate Mike Pertschuk told Martin. "But he held out for the perfect bill."_

The final defeat came in 1978. Again, Nader's strategy was to impugn every Democrat who harbored any reservations at all about the bill. He maligned Washington Representative Tom Foley as "a broker for agribusiness"--despite the fact that Foley had bucked agribusiness to pass a bill regulating meatpackers. He attacked Colorado liberal Pat Schroeder, who had supported earlier versions of the CPA but had minor reservations this time, as a "mushy liberal" selling her vote to corporate contributors. He so alienated Democrats that, as the measure went down to defeat, one reportedly said as he voted no, "This one's for you, Ralph." House Speaker Tip O'Neill told The Washington Post, "I know of about eight guys who would have voted for us if it were not for Nader."_

For Nader, it was almost axiomatic that anybody who disagreed with him was a corporate lackey. "Nader sees critics as enemies," wrote Sanford, a former ally. "Those who do not serve him serve the evil elements of corporations." This Manichaean worldview came through in everything Nader did. In the 1970s, he worked to establish automatic funding for Public Interest Research Groups (pirg) on campus--proto-Naderite outfits to train the next generation of like-minded activists. Nader's preferred funding mechanism was for every student to automatically contribute $1; those who objected could go to the college administration for a refund. But the administration at Penn State University in 1975 opted instead for a positive checkoff, whereby each student would check a box if he wanted to pitch in $2 for the pirg. Nader attacked Penn State as "a citadel of fascism" and threatened one Penn State board member: "I would advise Mister Baker to study very carefully the meaning of conflict of interest if he wants to understand the kind of disclosures that will be forthcoming in the coming year."_

The Jimmy Carter presidency only saw a heightening of Nader's schismatic tendencies. "I want access. I want to be able to see [Carter] and talk to him. I expected to be consulted," he told The New York Times. That Carter filled his administration with former Naderites didn't help. Less than a year after Carter put former Nader deputy Joan Claybrook in charge of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Nader denounced her, demanding she resign for implementing an air-bag regulation with "an unheard of lead time provision." In 1980, Nader told Rolling Stone, "In the last year we've seen the 'corporatization' of Jimmy Carter. Whereas he was impotent and kind of pathetic the first year and a half, he's now surrendered. ... The two-party system, by all criteria, is bankrupt--they have nothing of any significance to offer the voters, so a lot of voters say why should they go and vote for Tweedledum and Tweedledee." (Liberals today who anguish over Nader's insistence that no important differences exist between the two parties should note that this belief dates back more than two decades.) In the summer of 1980, Jonathan Alter (now a Newsweek columnist) worked on Nader's voting guide for the presidential election. Alter came away amazed by Nader's fury at Carter. "He didn't seem overly distressed at the idea of Ronald Reagan becoming president," Alter later told Martin. As Nader addressed a gathering of supporters in 1981, according to The Washington Post, "Reagan is going to breed the biggest resurgence in nonpartisan citizen activism in history."_

Of course, that did not happen. But twelve years of Republican rule failed to dim Nader's conviction that little difference existed between the two parties. Even Nader's critics seem to forget that he began running against Democrats in 1992, when he urged New Hampshire primary voters to write in "None of the above." "None of the above" meant Nader himself, as he would tell audiences: "Hello, I'm 'None of the above,' and I'm not running for president." Nader demanded that the major candidates address what he deemed the important issues of the day. In his 2002 memoir, Crashing the Party, Nader alleges that Bill Clinton leaked the Gennifer Flowers adultery revelations himself to avoid having to address Nader's agenda. "I'm almost certain that [Clinton] and his supporters knew [the Flowers scandal] was coming," he posits. "Clinton knew how to stay on message, and nothing was going to get him to take a stand on President Bush's NAFTA proposal before Congress, or on nuclear power, or on the failing banks in New Hampshire." This assertion neatly encapsulates Nader's style of thinking--the fevered conspiracy-mongering, the moral righteousness, and the laughably outsized role he assigns himself in world events._

As Nader embarks upon his fourth protest run against the Democrats in as many elections, there is something slightly ridiculous about the shock of his liberal critics. They still don't know who they're dealing with. Nader is not a heroic figure tragically overcome by his own flaws; he is a selfish, destructive maniac who, for a brief historical period, happened upon a useful role._

In the waning days of the 2000 election, some of Nader's campaign advisers urged him to concentrate on uncontested states, like New York and California, where he could attract local media without competition from the major-party candidates and win liberal voters who needn't fear tipping the race to George W. Bush. Instead, he chose a whirlwind tour of battleground states, campaigning in Pennsylvania and Florida, where votes would be harder to come by but more consequential to the outcome of the race. Liberals assume Nader tried to maximize his vote total without regard to how it affected Bush and Gore. The truth is that he actively sought to help Bush, even at the expense of his own vote total._

It's therefore both comic and sad when liberals take Nader at his word that he does not believe he affected the outcome of the 2000 race. The website RalphDontRun.net patiently explains how, if Al Gore had netted even 1 percent of Nader's 97,000 Florida votes, he would have overcome Bush's 537-vote margin. Like other liberals, the people behind the website seem to think, if they could only persuade Nader that his candidacy might help reelect Bush, it would dissuade him from running. More likely, it would have the opposite effect. The real mystery is not why Nader would do something so destructive to liberalism. It's why anybody ever thought he wouldn't.

still life
March 5th, 2004, 04:55 AM
Latest poll numbers give NADER 6% of the vote, more than he had in 2000 at this point in the campaign!!

This could be a re-play of 2000, Nader being the spoiler. What is he thinking?? He knows he is not going to be President, so what is his goal??

IF Nader were prepared to throw his support behind Kerry, should the second term of Bush as President for four more years be indicated, it might make sense. I don't see him doing that. He didn't do it in 2000 when Gore was running. What is Nader's point??

3pointdeli
March 5th, 2004, 05:25 AM
he wants bush to win. i'll bet he'd even admit it if you asked him point blank.

still life
March 5th, 2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by 3pointdeli
he wants bush to win. i'll bet he'd even admit it if you asked him point blank.


Are you serious???

3pointdeli
March 5th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by still life
Are you serious???

always, except when it's obvious i'm joking.

still life
March 5th, 2004, 11:56 AM
Ah. Just like everybody.:rolleyes:

3pointdeli
March 5th, 2004, 12:03 PM
he'd prefer bush over a democrat...let me put it that way.

Chris A
March 5th, 2004, 12:08 PM
And he prefers himself over anyone else--in every way. :cool:

synic
March 8th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Anybody But Bush. A dead body would be better.

a.j. zeitlin
March 16th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Nader's early work on behalf of consumers remains a great achievement. But he's morphed into a narcissitic man-child whose lost all sense of proportion. He talks and acts like he's on a mission from God but in reality he's out-of-touch and clueless.

Tara Carreon
March 16th, 2008, 07:28 PM
"An Unreasonable Man," directed by Henriette Mantel, starring Ralph Nader
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http://www.american-buddha.com/nader.reasonmantoc.htm

Much-maligned by Democrats, Ralph Nader is shown in this film as a dedicated man with public benefit as his only agenda. The film captures the mean-spiritedness of those who have tried to blame Nader for causing Gore to lose an election that he never tried hard to win, and conceded without a serious fight. It is clear that Democrats treat liberals today like they have always treated ethnic voters -- by failing to represent them, and leaving them to choose the least of evils.

http://www.american-buddha.com/nader.reason4d_small.jpg
[Phil Donahue, Nader 2000 Co-Chair] There are -- Some of his major supporters have just --

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GET SIRIUS, ERIC ALTERMAN! & ERIC ALTAR MAN SAYS, "NADER [NADIR] MADE ME DO THIS!" & ABANDON HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE!

by Tara Carreon

http://www.american-buddha.com/mondo.getsirius.htm

I love to hate Nader haters! These original photoshop projects skewer the pseudo-liberals that love to hate Ralph Nader. I love to hate Nader haters, and my photoshop projects will lead you on the cognitive reprogramming journey you need to learn how to hate insufferable prigs like Eric Alterman, Todd Gitlin and Gary Sellers, who, Brutus-like, have joined to assassinate the Caesar of progressive politics.

http://www.american-buddha.com/MONDO.ERICALTERMAN3_small.jpg

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Saundra Hummer
March 16th, 2008, 07:45 PM
"An Unreasonable Man," directed by Henriette Mantel, starring Ralph Nader
ILLUSTRATED SCREENPLAY & SCREENCAP GALLERY
http://www.american-buddha.com/nader.reasonmantoc.htm

Much-maligned by Democrats, Ralph Nader is shown in this film as a dedicated man with public benefit as his only agenda. The film captures the mean-spiritedness of those who have tried to blame Nader for causing Gore to lose an election that he never tried hard to win, and conceded without a serious fight. It is clear that Democrats treat liberals today like they have always treated ethnic voters -- by failing to represent them, and leaving them to choose the least of evils.

http://www.american-buddha.com/nader.reason4d_small.jpg
[Phil Donahue, Nader 2000 Co-Chair] There are -- Some of his major supporters have just --



***


GET SIRIUS, ERIC ALTERMAN! & ERIC ALTAR MAN SAYS, "NADER [NADIR] MADE ME DO THIS!" & ABANDON HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE!

by Tara Carreon

http://www.american-buddha.com/mondo.getsirius.htm

I love to hate Nader haters! These original photoshop projects skewer the pseudo-liberals that love to hate Ralph Nader. I love to hate Nader haters, and my photoshop projects will lead you on the cognitive reprogramming journey you need to learn how to hate insufferable prigs like Eric Alterman, Todd Gitlin and Gary Sellers, who, Brutus-like, have joined to assassinate the Caesar of progressive politics.

http://www.american-buddha.com/MONDO.ERICALTERMAN3_small.jpg

http://www.american-buddha.com/MONDO.ERICALTARMAN55_small.jpg

http://www.american-buddha.com/mondo.dog-ate-my-homework55_small.jpg

Is that like "The Dog Ate Check Book Register"? Had that happen when we had to do up a financial paper for the government, and they had chewed up the mail as well. Salvaged most of it, but it was a problem.

I think most of us appreciate the good Ralph Nader has done and is doing, however if others are like me, they would also be wishing he wouldn't run for president. Perhaps wrongly, perhaps rightfully.

We can't but not want any cogs in the wheel. If Ralph Nader could win, that wouldn't bother me a bit, but we are so gunshy after this mess with Cheney and Bush, that the thought of any tiny little bump in the road benefiting them, along with their agenda, is disturbing.

If he should push the Neo Con agenda up the proverbial hill, then it would be more than disturbing to us who are wanting rid of this administrations machinations. It would be tragic and would overshadow any good Ralph Nader has accomplished in the past and would, in my estimation, detract from future good deeds.

Fun artwork.

By the way, welcome to the site, looks as though you're going to liven it up a bit and that's another good thing to look forward to.

jazzcritic
March 16th, 2008, 08:14 PM
Nader will barely be a blip on the radar this November, drawing less votes than previously. No one will win or lose because of his puzzling run.

Saundra Hummer
March 16th, 2008, 10:35 PM
Nader will barely be a blip on the radar this November, drawing less votes than previously. No one will win or lose because of his puzzling run.


Maybe after all is said and done, Ralph Nader's running for president will call attention to his causes, however in the meantime, it very well might detract from campaign issues or the war, or this horrific spying on us.

Maybe he can use this run for the presidency to save some of our civil rights, ones this administration and those of like mindsets are taking from us.

:shrug:

Straycat
March 17th, 2008, 06:02 AM
Nader was on the Daily Show a few weeks ago, it was a good interview,
he actually got to talk more than John. Our system is totally geared towards how much money you have. No money, No President.

1/2 Baked, Not Fried
March 17th, 2008, 11:46 AM
This article reminds me of the type of one-sided disparagement I typically associate with modern neo-cons, who tend to rip apart anyone who disagrees with their party line. As near as I can tell, Nader’s biggest “flaw,” if you want to call it that, was his refusal or inability to compromise with Democrats, who he believed lacked political courage necessary to adequately protect people from the negative side-effects of unrestrained market competition. Put another way, he was uncompromising, and for this, he was both demonized and marginalized.

I’m not saying the guy is right about everything. His views do tend to be somewhat rigid, and certainly aren’t always politically viable. Still, he doesn’t deserve to be lambasted by the Dem’s in the manner he has in recent years. Rather, perhaps the Dem’s (among which I am one) should take a look inward to reflect on exactly what it is they have done over the past 20 years to protect workers and consumers. I suspect if they do, they might be forced to accept the same conclusion I regrettably have: not much.

While I hate to acknowledge it, I can’t avoid thinking that, when you strip away the headline-grabbing moral and libertarian issues like abortion and gay marriage, what you are left with, is two parties that really don’t look that different, at least not when it comes to economic issues. (If anything, the Dem’s have been considerably more fiscally conservative than the Republicans).

Don’t get me wrong here. I personally think “W” may go down as the single worst president in U.S. history, and I can’t wait to get the guy out of office. Moreover, I believe it would be a tragedy if the Dem’s lose the bid for the White House by a narrow margin, which is obviously their greatest fear. But if they do, it won’t be because of Nader, at least in my opinion. After the job Bush has done, if the Dem’s can’t fill his seat, then . . . well. . . they have far greater problems than Ralph Nader to grapple with. Maybe it’s time they start dealing with some of them.

jonesy
March 17th, 2008, 10:05 PM
Moreover, I believe it would be a tragedy if the Dem’s lose the bid for the White House by a narrow margin, which is obviously their greatest fear. But if they do, it won’t be because of Nader, at least in my opinion. After the job Bush has done, if the Dem’s can’t fill his seat, then . . . well. . . they have far greater problems than Ralph Nader to grapple with. Maybe it’s time they start dealing with some of them.

I agree. I think it's a copout on behalf of the Dems to blame Nader if they lose, or even if he takes a small percentage of the vote. If they can't capitalize on the wholesale immorality and absence of ethics of the worst administration in history - and I'm not talking rinkydink blow job here - they have only themselves to blame and they don't deserve to win.

Saundra Hummer
March 18th, 2008, 01:31 AM
I agree. I think it's a copout on behalf of the Dems to blame Nader if they lose, or even if he takes a small percentage of the vote. If they can't capitalize on the wholesale immorality and absence of ethics of the worst administration in history - and I'm not talking rinkydink blow job here - they have only themselves to blame and they don't deserve to win.


Me too, I agree as well, but it seems I'm getting silly about how this election is the Democrats to lose.

I said that about Hillary, and sure enough, she has slipped more than anyone expected due to things she has said and done, and due to things Bill has said and done, and now the Ferraro flap??? There are days when Obama isn't going quite as strong as one would like to see. Yikes!

I just don't want anyone to throw in anything at all which could possibly give the White House to the Republicans and therefore giving them more opportunities to once again appoint judges to any federal bench, much less the Supreme Court. Bush appointed this young fellow, John Roberts as Chief Justice, but being a young age doesn't always signal longevity, however, the Democrats need to be able to appoint judges who are brilliant, and not in their dottage as well; especially those with more middle of the road proclivities. This is where it is - the power - it sits in a strong and balanced Supreme Court, and as it stands, the Supreme Court is becoming the object of ridicule, with, as brilliant as he is, "Quack, Quack" Scalia brandishing his skewed brand of justice. Oh Brother.

playground
March 18th, 2008, 07:38 PM
good to see you chris A.


THE MYTH OF THE 'GOOD' NADER
Make You Ralph
by Jonathan Chait
Post date: 02.29.04
Issue date: 03.08.04

...The good-man-who-went-wrong assessment of Nader is virtually unchallenged among liberals.


uh, no - it's not. i know plenty of other 'liberals' who know nader hasn't 'gone wrong.' and there are plenty of articles out there and people out there right now who know nader doesn't give a shit about what the nader-hating pseudo-progressives keep referring to as his 'legacy.' he is in no way endangering his own legacy. it's written into law. he is in fact trying to save his own legacy before the criminals in the white house, running the corporations, and the lobbyists re-write the laws he's spent his life getting passed. wake up people!




But, if you think about it for a moment, it's awfully strange. Heroes of history do not normally reverse themselves out of the blue. George Washington did not end his days pining for a return of the British monarchy to U.S. shores. George Orwell did not suddenly warm to the virtues of totalitarianism. Nor, for that matter, did Ralph Nader go wrong after decades of doing good. The qualities that liberals have observed in him of late--the monomania, the vindictiveness, the rage against pragmatic liberalism--have been present all along. Indeed, an un-blinkered look at Nader's public life shows that his presidential campaigns represent not a betrayal of his earlier career but its apotheosis.


wow. a glimmer of reason peaks through this grotesque excuse for a piece of journalism. that's right: "Indeed, an un-blinkered look at Nader's public life shows that his presidential campaigns represent not a betrayal of his earlier career but its apotheosis." correct.



Few realize that Nader's campaign against the Corvair was only the most visible edge of an uncompromising, conspiratorial worldview. Nader believed not only that the Corvair was dangerous but that General Motors (GM) knew it was. Justin Martin, in his fair-minded 2002 biography, Nader: Crusader, Spoiler, Icon, shows how Nader hounded liberal Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff into investigating whether GM had lied about what it knew in testimony before Congress. In a letter to Ribicoff, Nader wrote, "Now comes decisive evidence which reveals a labyrinthic and systematic intra-company collusion, involving high General Motors officials, to sequester and suppress company data and films." Nader insisted he had an array of inside sources and documents that would reveal this conspiracy. Ribicoff dutifully assigned a pair of staffers to the case, and they spent two years chasing down Nader's leads. None of them panned out. The investigators found no evidence that GM knew of the Corvair's safety flaws.


so nader is a 'conspiracy theorist' now, eh? that's good journalism. you don't like what someone believes - call them a conspiracy theorist, that always works. nice name-calling. and who on this board doesn't believe that corporations allow harmful products to be sold even when they know the products are very harmful? we all know that that happens. and if you don't know it, you're simply not paying attention. phillip morris anyone? puleez. countless drugs being recalled seemingly every month and every once in a while some drug gets recalled after somebody (or multiple people) taking it dies from it, etc... that's all nader was saying he thought was going on w/ corvair. he was convinced they knew they were making a product that was potentially very dangerous. thinking that that's what was going on doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist. it makes you aware of what goes on in this world. people hate to look things in the eye. not ralph.



During the late '60s and early '70s, Nader developed a reputation as a wonk's wonk, a data-driven do-gooder with a stack of papers perpetually tucked under his arm. In fact, even then his work was driven by ideologically motivated fanaticism.


there's another good name-call. if you don't agree w/ someone's beliefs or actions, call them an 'ideologue.' you'll make yourself sound real smart and people will defer to your opinion because they fear being labelled w/ that nasty sounding word. in reality it's bullshit. everyone is an 'ideologue.' all it really means to have an 'ideology' is to have your own ideas and beliefs. ooh. that sounds just awful doesn't it? what kind of horrible person has ideas and beliefs? that nader, he strongly believes in his ideas and beliefs - what an awful guy. what a fanatic. he must be stopped before everyone starts having ideas!




Nader's true fame came not from Unsafe at Any Speed but from the fact that its publication prompted GM to hire a private investigator to dig up damaging personal information that might discredit him. The irony is that Nader's grandiose paranoia predated this episode. Before publishing Unsafe at Any Speed, Nader worked as an obscure functionary at the Labor Department under then-Assistant Secretary Pat Moynihan. "Ralph was a very suspicious man," Moynihan told Charles McCarry in his 1972 biography Citizen Nader. "He used to warn me that the phones at the Labor Department might be tapped. I'd say, 'Fine! They'll learn that the unemployment rate for March is 5.3 percent, that's what they'll learn.'"... Nader's friends recalled that often he would act furtively, speaking in code, always convinced he was being monitored or phone-tapped. When he insisted in 1966 that he was being followed, one of his friends replied, according to Martin, "Ralph, your paranoia has grown to new extremes." Of course, it turned out that in that instance Nader was being followed. But this merely proved the old adage that sometimes even the paranoid have enemies plotting against them.


wow. have you no shame jonathan chait? classic. name-calling him 'paranoid' while at the same time writing that he was in fact right. slimy and mind-bogglingly calculated mud-slinging. who eats this shit? yes, they did spy on him, so he wasn't 'paranoid.' and oh yeah, republicans wire-tapping democratic phones in 1972. just paranoia i guess. oh, wait a minute. anybody remember fucking Watergate?!?!@#$%^ for the love of god. United States Of Amnesia.




That same year, the Senate overwhelmingly passed a bill to create a Consumer Protection Agency (CPA), what Nader called his highest legislative goal. But, just days after praising the bill, Nader turned against it, saying that "intolerable erosions" had rendered the bill "unacceptable." As Martin writes, "Without Nader's backing, the bill lost momentum" and died in committee. The pattern repeated itself, as the CPA passed either the House or the Senate five more times over the next six years, but Nader rejected every bill as too compromised.


yes, just awful. someone who isn't happy when important legislation (read LAWS) gets screwed by the process and end being mostly meaningless and ineffective. i guess we should all be happy w/ the way congress is now right? yeah, they're really getting things done. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!



and on and on and on and on...



this article makes me sick.


since when does being right most all the time and motivated and consistent make someone 'narcissistic?' this is the politics of personal assassination. people can't attack his views and positions on the issues that matter (corporate crime, war as policy, WTO, NAFTA, etc...) so they resort to name calling. it's pathetic. all these nader-haters sound the same. they mention all the great things he's done, then somehow magically erase it all because they hate george bush. well guess what people, nader hates G.W. too. the difference is he's doing his best to do something about it. Nader did not elect george bush. period. get over it, for the love of god. calling him a 'spoiler' is just more name-calling, evasive bullshit. damn

:mad2: :banghead: :angry3: :rant2: :rant2: :tearhair:

Saundra Hummer
March 18th, 2008, 08:55 PM
good to see you chris A.:mad2: :banghead: :angry3: :rant2: :rant2: :tearhair:

I thought the same, but this is an old, old post.

Come on back ChrisA, miss you.

playground
March 18th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I thought the same, but this is an old, old post.

Come on back ChrisA, miss you.


oh shit! i usually notice those things. oh well.

still got some thoughts out in my post though. and you know people are gonna be saying the same shit abput nader in a few months anyway.