I Need Names

[blackie]

aight, i like the oldschool type of jazz where theres nuthin but drums, a bass, and mabey a piano or sumin, i wanna know what artists do this type of music. personally, i dont like the new smooth jazz crap wit synthesizers and whatnot (uuk), anyway can sumbody help me out, thanks, peace. . .

[clifton]

Some piano trio suggestions:
Bud Powell
Oscar Peterson
Kenny Barron
Hank Jones
Jessica Williams
Tommy Flanagan

[Saundra Hummer]

Try to find some of Ray Browns recordings, Dave Brubecks, The LighHouse All Stars, Bud Shank and Laurindo Almeida duo's, Ahmad Jamal's piano, Shelly Manne's recordings, Wes Montgomery, Art Pepper. Of course Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, and John Coltranes 50's recordings, that's a given! I am sure of one thing, there are people on this board who will tell you which of these greats works they like the best. They have their works memorized by heart.

Thank you on the spelling correction! Fixed it!

[blackie]

THATS WHATS UP, THANKS. also, im tryin to learn to play bass guitar, specifically jazz bass, any suggestions :confused:

[Saundra Hummer]

I gave you quite a few that are more than just duo's or trio's but they are small groups, and lots of solos's so that you will get the feel of a small intimate situation. Art Pepper expecially, if his recordings are anything like his live performances, as it would just be he and the drummer at times, or just he alone, for most of the set, and it was never dull, never too much, it flowed and he was great.

I always loved Ray Browns groups that he played with, his bass fiddle, was something that I really did love to hear, he was just special to listen to. Missed isn't he?

[Muskrat Ramble]

For learning to play jazz bass, I'd recommend asking around in the Musician 2 Musician forum here.

(Btw, it's Shelly Manne with an "e" on the end--I'm not playing spelling cop but just wanted to note it so it will be easier to search for his records.)

[JFitzGenius]

Originally posted by blackie
...and mabey a piano or sumin...

Perhaps one of the best sumin players was "Cadillac" Jimmy Swanson, who came out of Philly in the late thirties. He recorded several sides for the Several Sides label, and some session work with "Pecos" Pete Tillinghast (who was no slouch on the sumin himself, but confined himself mainly to the glockenspeil later in his career).

The sumin fell out of favor during the Bop, Free, Fusion, and neo-Bop movements, but has creeped back into jazz in the past few years with young sumin master Tommy "No Nickname" Smoot, whose CD on his own Creepin' Sumin label features some of the best sumin work since the sadly-overlooked avant garde suminist Thorvald Andersson.

[Tenorman]

JFITZ,
Is the Sumin similar to The Ramin. I saw guy playing one of these once, moving his hands round a metal rod. Looked like Tommy Cooper on acid:D

[JFitzGenius]

The theremin (heard on the Beach Boys' immortal "Good Vibrations") is another thing entirely when considering the sumin. And how the sumin has been considered. Considering the sumin used to be a wonderful way to wile away a summer's evening, because there was nothing on TV but reruns anyway and why not consider the sumin? Or cumin, for that matter, which contributes nicely to a good bowl of chili not only in my opinion, but that of the junior middleweight contender Yori Boy Campos (who knows his chili, has heard of the Beach Boys, but couldn't pick a sumin out of a line-up).

The point is.

Sumin, cumin, theremin...let's just call the whole thing even.

[Saundra Hummer]

Naughty Boy!!!

[JFitzGenius]

I work with what I'm given, Saundra.

[dwatts]

Brad Mehldau - young and oozing talent.
Jacky Terrasson - sometimes pretty simple, but a lot of fun.
Jason Moran - Young, inventive.

Are they old school? Yeah, sometimes :)

[Saundra Hummer]

Well then, you should be around a heck of a lot more, don't you think? Seems so to me. Never heard such things as lately in my life, ha! Not necessarily here.

[Saundra Hummer]

Thought I would talk in circles for you, as is my want!

[shawn·m]

Given that I’ve never heard or seen this instrument, I want to know sumin. What is it? Is it strung, hammered, blown or cranked? Has it got cogs ‘n’ things? There’s a Petr Sumin who is, or was, governor of the Chelyabinsk Region in Urals. Does he produce this mythical instrument? If so, how does he gubernate, crank out instruments and keep from being shot at all at the same time?

[JFitzGenius]

Remember, kids, I am a trained professional. Please do not attempt this at home. :cool:

[shawn·m]

I bow to the master and grovel my way to bed.

[JFitzGenius]

There are those who believe that the sumin has its origins in the ancient Middle Eastern oud, which was brought to this country as early as 6:15 AM. This theory is countered by the fact that there is absolutely no correlation between the two instruments, so the advocates of that theory have subsequently been dropped from my Christmas card list.
More likely, the sumin evolved as an amalgam of the Indian harmonium and the Spanish vihuela. It is considered to be the first instrument intended not to be played, but to be left around the apartment to impress chicks.

From the very beginning, jazz and the sumin were a perfect match. As early as 1917, King Oliver recorded Serving Sumins with early master, Archduke Ferdinand (not that one, the other one).
The 1930's were arguably the golden age of the sumin in jazz. The elegant dulcet tone of the instrument was a perfect match to the sophisticated big band arrangements of the day. Duke Ellington penned "Sumin's Happening" for the aforementioned "Cadillac" Jimmy Swanson, which was sadly never recorded due to the fact that Swanson was fileted in a knife fight with gangster "Ginsu" Gonsu Haoroki following a dispute over the proper usage of the word "whom."
The instrument was largely forgotten until it was rediscovered in the sixties, by rock musicians looking for exotic instrumentation to lend an air of legitimacy to their sophomoric, thinly-veiled drug references. Psychadelic rockers The Paisley Hamhock released the seminal Ten Suminer's Tales to a wave of popular and critical indifference in 1967, and are widely credited for having no impact whatsoever.
The burgeoning punk movement of the 1970's embraced the unlikely sumin, with the great Matt Bastard's passionate and visceral playing with the group Lick My Crank on the influential Ain't That Sumin, released in 1976. Bastard left the group in 1978, briefly joining Parliament Funkadelic for the 20-minute epic funk classic "Who's Sumin Whom?" (viewed by many to be an offhand tribute to the aforeaforementioned "Cadillac" Jimmy Swanson). Sadly, Bastard died in 1980 from an overdose of Worcestershire sauce.
To be continued...

[blackie]

:laugh: wow, i didnt even know there was a instrument called the sumin, i was just saying "something":laugh: i guess i'll stop abbreviating from now on. . . .

[clifton]

blackie: JFitzgenius is our resident humorist. There's no such thing as a "sumin". he was just riffing on your abbreviation. He is not to be taken seriously, and I'm sure that by now his attendant has taken away his crayons (he's not allowed sharp objects), so it may be awhile before we hear from him again.

[Saundra Hummer]

Keep trying to lure him over to the political posts, but he is together enough to know the inherant dangers lurking there, Darn!

[Fran]

Is a Something larger than a Sumin? Can it be carried in a parade? Does it come in sizes such as Alto, Tenor or Flugel? Is it true that Bunny Berigan never played one?

[Saundra Hummer]

I think that Blackie should market the concept!

[gjudd]

Originally posted by JFitzGenius
There are those who believe that the sumin has its origins in the ancient Middle Eastern oud, ...To be continued... somewhere SJ Perelman is chortling along with us...& I have it on good authority he had a low opinion of the Pythons....

[shawn·m]

ROTFLMAO :hail

[JFitzGenius]

Originally posted by Fran
Is a Something larger than a Sumin? Can it be carried in a parade? Does it come in sizes such as Alto, Tenor or Flugel? Is it true that Bunny Berigan never played one?

The sumin comes in several variations: tenor, bass, contrabass, Pittsburgh rare, kiwi strawberry, and 48 long. There is also the theoretical gigacontrabass sumin, which would be roughly the same size as the Moon and, if Einstein was right, would swing like hell (represented by the variant n plus Coltrane times Miles Davis squared).

While it is true that Berigan never played one, the great Django Reinhardt, upon seeing the instrument for the first time, was said to have remarked, "Diable (What the hell)?"

[Tenorman]

I knew I had seen it somewhere before. Just look at all these songs that have written about it

"My Lovin' Will Give You Sumin"
"Sumin"
"Sumin About Believing"
"Sumin Blue"
"Sumin Borrowed, Sumin Blue"
"Sumin Cool"
"Sumin Different"
"Sumin Doing"
"Sumin For Fred"
"Sumin For Louis"
"Sumin For You"
"Sumin I Dreamed Last Night"
"Sumin Inside Of Me"
"Sumin Real"
"Sumin To Live For"
"Sumin To Remember You By"
"Sumin You Got"
"This Could Be The Start Of Sumin"
"You Do Sumin To Me"
"You Left Sumin Behind"

[JFitzGenius]

And the classic "You're Nowin till Sumin Loves You."

Now, the nowin is another interesting story... :cool:

[Saundra Hummer]

Oh my god you guys, I am hurtin, and that's sumin! Or is that hermin? OOOhhhhhhuuhh!!!! Really!

[clifton]

Pop icon Sting actually recorded an entire album playing sumin. It was deemed unreleaseable and had to be extensively redone. It was eventually released as "Ten Suminer's Tales". Here's something else I'm sure you didn't know before. When I was in college, I majored in music and I studied saxophone and sumin. In fact, I graduated sumin cum laude. We should return this thread to its origins before blackie kills us.

[sheila]

Zoom in the origin

[JFitzGenius]

Do you mean sumin the origin?

I was going to go into depth of that other fascinating instrument mentioned, the nowin, but I didn't want to create a nowin situation.

There, I've gotten it out of my system. :cool:

[Bev Stapleton]

I believe Gershwin wrote a tune for the instrument, romantically celebrating the best point in the year to play it. He used it in Porgy and Bess.

[Saundra Hummer]

I don't know Clifton. This could be the start of sumin big!.

[JFitzGenius]

I work and I slave for you people.

[Saundra Hummer]

Originally posted by blackie
:laugh: wow, i didnt even know there was a instrument called the sumin, i was just saying "something":laugh: i guess i'll stop abbreviating from now on. . . .

Blackie, welcome to Luney Tunes. not too bad a place to be. just take all of it with a grain of salt.

[Noah Peterson]

For piano Red Garland - specifically his version of Billy Boy on Milestones.

You like bass? Try Charles Mingus' "Ysabella's Table Dance" "Haitan Fight Song" a.k.a. II BS
Leroy Vinneger - Mr. Walking Bass himself ain't a bad choice to check out either.

[Phil Meloy]

I can't believe JFitz hasn't mentioned "Sumin's Wrong With Me" yet.

[clifton]

What is the sumin substance of this thread?

[shawn·m]

We’ll never know since Fitzgenius has gotten it out of his sysim.

[It Should be You]

Originally posted by blackie
aight, i like the oldschool type of jazz where theres nuthin but drums, a bass, and mabey a piano or sumin, i wanna know what artists do this type of music. personally, i dont like the new smooth jazz crap wit synthesizers and whatnot (uuk), anyway can sumbody help me out, thanks, peace. . .

Well, these might be old-fashioned for you, I don't know.

More piano trios from the 50s:
Horace Silver
Elmo Hope
Herbie Nichols
Mal Waldron

sax, drum and bass:
Sonny Rollins (Way Out West, A Night at the Village Vanguard)
John Coltrane (Lush Life)

[GiantSteps]

Thelonious Monk
Bud Powell
Oscar Petterson
Erroll Garner
Ahmad Jamal
Keith Jarrett
Jacky Terrasson
Bill Evans
Wynton kelly