Bush planned ahead....way ahead!

[Chris A]

At first it trickled in, but now there is so much dirt on this appointed Bush regime that it is becoming a veritable avalanche!--CA

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Ex-Advisor Says Bush Eyed Bombing of Iraq on 9/11

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former White House anti-terrorism advisor says the Bush administration considered bombing Iraq in retaliation after Sept. 11, 2001 even though it was clear al Qaeda had carried out the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Richard Clarke, who headed a cybersecurity board that gleaned intelligence from the Internet, told CBS "60 Minutes" in an interview to be aired on Sunday he was surprised administration officials turned immediately toward Iraq instead of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

"They were talking about Iraq on 9/11. They were talking about it on 9/12," Clarke says.

Clarke said he was briefing President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld among other top officials in the aftermath of the devastating attacks.

"Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq. ... We all said, 'but no, no. Al Qaeda is in Afghanistan," recounts Clarke, "and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq."'

Clarke, an advisor to four presidents, left his position in February 2003 after the White House transferred functions of the cybersecurity board to Homeland Security.

Clarke's comments are the latest to raise the question of the Bush administration's focus on overthrowing Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, fired in a shake-up of Bush's economic team in December 2002, told "60 Minutes" in an interview aired in January he never saw any evidence Iraq had weapons of mass destruction -- Bush's main justification for going to war.

O'Neill also charged that Bush entered office intent on invading Iraq and ousting its leader, Saddam Hussein.

"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection" between Iraq and al Qaeda, Clarke tells "60 Minutes."

"But the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there, saying, 'We've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection,"' says Clarke.

[Saundra Hummer]

I am wondering now that the whole world is turning against us, even worse than before, how the people who made sure things went awry in Florida, and how the Supreme court justices now feel about the turning of events?

It is just a sickening feeling to watch and hear the news each day. Things are getting worse and worse because of peoples need to be powerful, and, or dishonest. These people should all be hanging their heads in shame, resigning from appointed positions, quitting their elected positions, and begging the world for forgiveness. Evidently they have no shame, no comprehension of what is really happening in the world. These are our leaders?

[Tenorman]

Hey! Don't worry about it Bush's puppy dog is still supporting him here in the UK. He + Chancellor of the Exchequer managed a contrived give-away budget to try and bribe the elctorate into voting them in in the next election.

Al Quaeda managed to turn the Spanish election. I don't think I want to be in London in the run-up to the UK elections. There are too many nice easy targets that I happen to either live near, work near or travel near. Too much of the central underground system is close to the Thames, or under it. Most of the central tube network is situated below the Thames LOW WATER mark - I can't swim!

[Fran]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saundra Hummer
[B]

These people should all be hanging their heads in shame, resigning from appointed positions, quitting their elected positions, and begging the world for forgiveness.

Yes, and the one man I thought would quickly stand up for what he certainly knows to be right, is still mouthing Bush dogma and slipping lower in the eyes of all - One time General Powell, now Mr.Lackey to the administration.

[Chris A]

"One time General Powell, now Mr.Lackey to the administration."--Fran

Harry Belafonte had him and Rice pegged right.

[still life]

Originally posted by Chris A
"One time General Powell, now Mr.Lackey to the administration."--Fran

Harry Belafonte had him and Rice pegged right.

Exactly. There was resistance to this characterization, I think, because everyone was afraid of being labelled racist, when racism had nothing to do with their anger. I don't think anyone expected anything different from Rice, but Powell was the real disappointment. He had been marginalized and in order to get back into the Bush loop, he has sold his soul.
Powell and Rice might as well be wind-up dolls, programmed with the party line. It would be funny, if it weren't so tragic, to listen to both of them repeating what the Bush speechwriters have Bush regurgitating. They should be charging by the hour.
The public deserved to at least be kissed first.
Scary times.

[Andy D]

Hey! Don't worry about it Bush's puppy dog is still supporting him here in the UK. He + Chancellor of the Exchequer managed a contrived give-away budget to try and bribe the elctorate into voting them in in the next election.

What is not clear is what TB will do in the future, there is a very real chance that the 'Chancellor' will become the Prime Minister, and I feel his running of the economy has not been that bad.

On the wider issue, we in the UK have long cultivated the so called 'special relationship' with the Americans, along with the Mexicans, and China and just about all other countries that feel they can ignore human rights at the expense of economic growth and the 'special relationship' with America.

Of course anyone that 'stands in the way' of the American political, social and economic philosophy can fully expect the consequences. And we all know what this means:wink2:

Regards

Andy D.

[Saundra Hummer]

It is like the Israelies the Palestinians, and others, the U.S. included are pushing to involve us all in a much larger conflict, one that just might happen, the violence, and tensions being what they are.

Surely someone with some common sense is out there that can step up to the plate!

We just keep hoping that cooler heads will prevail.

The Chinese curse is upon us all.

[synic]

Go to "The Progressive Magazine" website.

[Saundra Hummer]

Nothing to do with this thread, however it does fit into the craziness of what it is this administration if doing to us, and I had to laugh, really, this is another nonsensical statement by G.W. How funny, except this man is making hay out of others misfortunes around the world and here in this country. Here is another way this administration is traveling down the path, this is a quote from Molly Ivens, at least her sardonic sense of humor is a brief respite from how this administration is making us feel so down, and incredulous.

"I particularly enjoyed the Bushies' sober new analysis that John Kerry's fiscal, plan would leave us $1 trillion in the hole. This is the same set of drunken sailors that want to leave us $5 Trillion in the hole over ten years by making the Bush tax cut permanent."

I just feel that just because we have a President who doesnt't read, one that gets his infomation from a small select biased group, if he gets it at all, that they, the administration feel that perhaps the rest of out here away from the beltway don't read either, maybe they all watch the poor souls on Leno when he asks the most mundane of questions, questions we all would think that everyone would know, and they don't, maybe the administration thinks that we are those people, that they can do and say anything and fool us all. Give us some credit, most of us have a better grasp of things than the President, and if we don't we should.

[Saundra Hummer]

Here is a site that is susposed to set some of what has been said straight, not necessarily about this thread, but about the administration in general, recent untruths etc. Haven't read it, so I'll be new to it like you. I don't know if this is a good site, or a radical one, but checking it out.
www.house.gov/reform/min

[Saundra Hummer]

Seems to be o.k. partisan, but alright, what isn't partisan? This just gives the Democrats side of the story, and hopefully is more truthful than the Republicans.

[marvin g]

I don't know what Jeb is like but GWB is definately is father's child. And if Jeb is too, it must be double hell for people who live in Florida. :D

[synic]

Politicians are liars. Is anyone really "shocked" that the so-called "government" of this country is covering up what they "know"? There is a "Military-Industrial" machine that "they" are interested in maintaining "at all costs".

[Andy D]

Perhaps not shocked but many are ignorant at best and apathetic at worse. Either way the consequences are the same for many outside the US.

The US is not the only country that has an elite that have a military and industrial aim, the illusion that many of us buy into, isl that we have freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of associaltion etc.

Western Government have a long history of 'planning ahead', of having geo-economic and political interests, and trying to convince us all that their interests are for mankind and the future of the world.

I have said this before that the greatest threat to the human race, is from US Governemnt policy, be this economic, military or political, and not from any individual terrorist group.

Regards

Andy D.

[Frank Mullen]

There's so much daily bad news these days you may have missed this follow up on NASA. Remember when GW simultaneously cut funding for the Hubble space telescope and some unmanned science missions while announcing his committment to going to Mars. Well, congress just shot down the Mars mission mainly because nobody from NASA or the administration has followed up on proper planning. Have the cuts to NASA's science program been restored??
Has Hubble been refunded?? In a pig's asshole they have.

It's hard to believe that this has all been part of W's master plan. Are these bastards that crafty?