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Phil Meloy
June 2nd, 2004, 06:12 AM
Here's an interesting article that I've come across....

(AP) -- Dan Koster was unpacking some of his more than 2,000 CDs after a move when he noticed something strange. Some of the discs, which he always took good care of, wouldn't play properly.

Koster, a Web and graphic designer for Queens University of Charlotte, North Carolina, took one that was skipping pretty badly and held it up to the light.

"I was kind of shocked to see a constellation of pinpricks, little points where the light was coming through the aluminum layer," he says.

His collection was suffering from "CD rot," a gradual deterioration of the data-carrying layer. It's not known for sure how common the blight is, but it's just one of a number of reasons that optical discs, including DVDs, may be a lot less long-lived than first thought.

"We were all told that CDs were well-nigh indestructible when they were introduced in the mid '80s," Koster says. "Companies used that in part to justify the higher price of CDs as well."

He went through his collection and found that 15 percent to 20 percent of the discs, most of which were produced in the '80s, were "rotted" to some extent.

The rotting can be due to poor manufacturing, according to Jerry Hartke, who runs Media Sciences Inc., a Marlborough, Massachusetts, laboratory that tests CDs.

The aluminum layer that reflects the light of the player's laser is separated from the CD label by a thin layer of lacquer. If the manufacturer applied the lacquer improperly, air can penetrate to oxidize the aluminum, eating it up much like iron rusts in air.

But in Hartke's view, it's more common that discs are rendered unreadable by poor handling by the owner.

"If people treat these discs rather harshly, or stack them, or allow them to rub against each other, this very fragile protective layer can be disturbed, allowing the atmosphere to interact with that aluminum," he says.

Part of the problem is that most people believe that it's the clear underside of the CD that is fragile, when in fact it's the side with the label. Scratches on the underside have to be fairly deep to cause skipping, while scratches on the top can easily penetrate to the aluminum layer. Even the pressure of a pen on the label side can dent the aluminum, rendering the CD unreadable.

Koster has taken to copying his CDs on his computer to extend the life of the recordings. Unfortunately, it's not easy to figure out how long those recordable CDs will work.

Fred Byers, an information technology specialist at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, has looked at writeable CDs on behalf of government agencies, including the Library of Congress, that need to know how long their discs will last.

Manufacturers cite lifespans up to 100 years, but without a standardized test, it's very hard to evaluate their claims, Byers says. The worst part is that manufacturers frequently change the materials and manufacturing methods without notifying users.

"When you go to a store and buy a DVD-R, and this goes for CD-R as well, you really don't know what you're getting," he says. "If you buy a particular brand of disc, and then get the same disc and brand six months later, it can be very different."

This renders the frequently heard advice to buy name-brand discs for maximum longevity fairly moot, he says.

DVDs are a bit tougher than CDs in the sense that the data layer (or layers -- some discs have two) is sandwiched in the middle of the disc between two layers of plastic. But this structure causes problems of its own, especially in early DVDs. The glue that holds the layers together can lose its grip, making the disc unreadable at least in parts.

Users that bend a DVD to remove it from a hard-gripping case are practically begging for this problem, because flexing the disc puts strain on the glue.

Rewriteable CDs and DVDs, as opposed to write-once discs, should not be used for long-term storage because they contain a heat-sensitive layer that decays much faster than the metal layers of other discs.

For maximum longevity, discs should be stored vertically and only be handled by the edges. Don't stick labels on them, and in the case of write-once CDs, don't write on them with anything but soft water-based or alcohol-based markers.

Also, like wine, discs should be stored in a cool, dry place. Koster's friend Mark Irons, of Corvallis, Ore., stored his CD collection in a cabin heated by a wood-burning stove. The temperature would range between 40 degrees and 70 degrees in the space of a few hours. Now, the data layer of some of his CDs looks as if it's being eaten from the outside.

Irons is still pretty happy with CD technology, since it beats vinyl LPs and tape for longevity. Now that he's moved his discs to an apartment with a more stable temperature, he's noticed that the decay has slowed.

"I'm hoping they'll hold out till that next medium gets popular, and everyone gets to buy everything over again," he says.

Claude
June 2nd, 2004, 06:47 AM
Don't panic ! :)

From my 2000+ CDs , I've only had one disc that has become unreadable (the "bronzing" effect). It was from 1991, made at a UK pressing factory which had been known for manufacturing problems. My CDs from the 80's, some of which being among the first batch of released titles in Europe (March 1983), are still playing fine.

Phil Meloy
June 2nd, 2004, 06:56 AM
I tend to agree with you Claude. I've had no problems whatsover and I think a lot of problems are caused simply by mishandling. I think the article is useful in pointing out things that could possibly cause damage to CDs such as extremes of temperature. How many of us for example who live in hot climates leave them lying in the car throughout the summer.

Kevin Bresnahan
June 2nd, 2004, 07:39 AM
Man, this articles belongs on Snopes' Urban Legends website (http://www.snopes.com)! Yes, there have been a few CDs that have had problems but they were mistakes by a manufacturer and they happened quite a long time ago. No one needs to worry about their CD collection. It'll be fine. I have to wonder if the hardcore analog fans haven't tried to keep this article alive these past few months... not accusing you Phil... it's just that I have seen this article all over the place lately.

Later,
Kevin

lone_wolf
June 2nd, 2004, 08:06 AM
It is true that CD-R's are much more fragile than factory CDs; one surface scratch and they're history. I've also had the coating spontaneously flake off a batch of generic CD-Rs, probably from temperature changes. If anyone has had a good or bad experience with a particular brand of blank CD-R's, please share it. I've even had trouble with some batches of Memorexes, where the copies became unreadable by some players.

Phil Meloy
June 2nd, 2004, 08:11 AM
Thanks Kevin - I just spotted the article. I buy a lot of second hand CDs. (I'm fortunate to have a great second hand CD shop with an excellent jazz section about a 10 minute bus ride away). Like I said I've never had a problem with anything I've got there. Also I used to get a lot of stuff from deleted holdings from our local library. This all OK too.

Phil Meloy
June 3rd, 2004, 03:22 AM
I've only had one disc that has become unreadable (the "bronzing" effect). It was from 1991, made at a UK pressing factory which had been known for manufacturing problems.
BTW - Claude do you remenber the name of that pressing factory? It'd be good to know when delving through the second hand racks.

Claude
June 3rd, 2004, 04:20 AM
I remember problems being reported at the Nimbus pressing plant, which produced CDs for various labels.

http://www.wyastone.co.uk/dod/history.html

But I don't know for sure if my defective CDs were made there (it says "Made in the UK"). It's a 3CD set from Hyperion Records (Shostakovich Preludes & Fugues op.87), on all 3 CDs there are data errors on the last third of the disc that produce audible clicks and prevent some tracks from being played at all.

Phil Meloy
June 3rd, 2004, 05:10 AM
Thanks Claude, that's interesting. I actually used to work for a small contemporary classical label a few years ago and we had about 8 CDs manufactured by Nimbus from the mid 80's through to the late 90's but they all seemed fine. Some of the earlier copies that were still in stock were in the vicinity of 12 years old. I'm gonna do a bit more research on this. Thanks for the tip.

factor_1
May 18th, 2009, 07:54 AM
To Claude and Phil Meloy:

I came across this site by searching in Goolge for the pressing plant "Nimbus".

Claude, the problems you mention are with "PDO" (Philips & DuPont Optics Ltd.) and not with Nimbus. The discs made by PDO, have "Made in UK" or "Made in UK by PDO" in the innerring of the disc. The timeline of these bronzing discs is from 1988 to 1994. I myself have atleast 50 or more discs suffering from this problem.

Here are some links for info:

http://members.cox.net/surround/uhjdisc/bronze.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_bronzing
http://www.brainwashed.com/rot/
http://www.classical.net/music/guide/society/krs/excerpt3.php
http://www.foetus.org/misc/rot.html
http://www.foetusized.org/cdrot.html
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp

Claude, try the "hyperion" link, maybe you can still obtain replacements for your discs.

Regards,
Onno