A Controversial and/or Informative Site

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I didn't know how to word the title of this site, but I'm providing links to sites which may or may not be as they seem. For instance, the Muslim site may be from someone other that who he or she claims to be. It may or may not be so much propaganda, interesting none the less, another insight into world events.

I hope others of you will add your favorite findings, (not that these are my favorites), and comments, as your viewpoints are always interesting and informative. Jokes about current events and people are always fun to hear, keep them coming, if, and when the mood hits you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=erie=UTF=8&q=pre-islam+pagan+moon+god+allah&b

[url]http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/7htm


Hope I have these links correct.

Here is one that was posted on Yahoo news. It is about the Muslim sites.

http://newsmessages.yahoo.com/bbs?
action=m&board=37138445&tid=nmiraqusasaudidc&sid=37138445&mid=324

I don't know if this message is from a real person who had been a Muslim or not, but it very well could be.

I see when going back to check, that the site has been removed, or I have it wrong, but here is a site for our lost service men, and woman, the cold and hard charts.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm

I'll be back to type in the fellows post

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EX-Muslims Speak Out
by Kim 04 rose

Muslims are not Supposed to kill Muslims unless they are working against Allah's wishes (with 'Satan' U.S.A.) or if they are black (Sudan-Islam teaches all blacks are inferior).

Note: I support NEITHER candidate. I was naive before 9/11, not I'm educated

REPOST for Newbies:

Terrorism won't end soon, because this is what they BELIEVE per the pre-Islamic pagon moon god Allah* (see bottom of page-link):

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/7.htm
warning: GRAPHIC! The Quran CONDEMS ITSELF

Ex-Muslims (Apostates) speak our: http://www.faithfreedom.org (main page)-

Site also provides Muhammad's history, etc. per Islamic 'holy books'. He married SIX YEAR OLD and consummated marriage when she was NINe, still playing w/dolls (he was 53!, eventually had 11 wives, 11 slaves, etc. lovers). whe wrote that he liked to watch her and friends playing with dolls. Irans 'holy' leader decreed it was acceptable and desirable to wed a young girl child.

He (and followers), attacked and killed others when they didin't believe he was a 'holy prophet'. During one raid, they beheaded 600-700 men, stole their property, took their wives and children for slaves, wives and concubines. Muhammad married at least one on the same day he and his followers made her a widow, and killed her entire family.

Note:AAposty/Blasphemy = Death in Islam
This is not a hate message. I support the casue of EX-MUSLIMS (Apostates) who are in danger for their lives for daring to leave Islam and tell their truth of Islamic Ideology. They are compelled to use aliases for protection.

It is also my way of speaking out for those who can't speak out for themselves-the innocent BRAINWASHED women and children, senior citizens, and other 'peaceful' Muslims who are not 'religious' and still NOT FREE TO SPEAK OUT (or else!). This is not a 'hate' site, but it does show and discusses the raw truth. It is an expose of Islam by those born into it FULLY SUPORTED by Quran and Hadiths, i.e. teachings that the earth is flat and the sky is green (in the Quran)!!!

It is a site concerned about human rights worldwide. I support the right of any human to leave and speak about any religion without fear for their health/life. I especailly object to 'honor killings' when women are raped (or otherwise deemed 'impure'), accused of adultery and killed (see 'Articles " link on Women in Islam on main page).

We , the public, have a RIGHT to FULL DISCLOSURE on this issue negatively impacting our entire world. We've heard the 'politically correct' side about peaceful Islam, now we see the insider's information, those born into Islam. Keep in mind htere are many mosques teaching this in our own backyards. If you agree, please pass on links, etc.

Search engine re pre-Islamic: moon god 'Allah

http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=pre
islamic+pagan+moon+god+allah&btnG=Google+Search

Note: Per CNN 6/24/04 there are over 4,000 Islamic terrorist websites.


This is from Yahoo news Allawi Appeals for Muslim Troops in Iraq - 07-29-2004
Message number 324

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Interested in polls?

Here's a site that takes them, and they have articles that might interest you.

http://www.pollingpoint.com

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Here is an interesting site for those of you into investments. It is the Troubled Company Reporter.

Here is their address:

http://bankrupt.com/TCREUR_Public/040324.mbx

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Do any of you ever wonder if you might have American Indian in your heritage? I have always thought we do, but my mother didn't know if we do or not. Come to find out, we are susposed to have an American Indian grandmother.

Here is a fool proof way to find out all on your own. It is simple really! Your front teeth, up to your canine teeth if you have no Indian blood, will be flat or convex, they will round out towards the back of your mouth. If you have Indian blood, they will be concave. They will be spooned inward towards the front of your mouth.

I had a lady tell me that she has a friend and she is part Indian, and her friends teeth are as straight and a flat as can be, no protrusion at all. Well, she misunderstood me. Your teeth from the front or side will look totally normal, like anyone elses, although they could protrude, cross over, or whatever.

What I am saying is that if you take your tongue and run it down from the roof of your mouth to the back of your front teeth, and if they spoon inwards, you have Indian blood. If they are convex, rounded out, you don't.

Dentists and scientists call it "shovel teeth" I prefer spoon. Full blooded Indians teeth are spooned in, in the extreme.

There are other things, like certain types of ridges, but I will have to look up the terms before I can comment on that feature.

I learned this from a friend who worked for a dentist, and he told her this information.

I have heard that Oriental and Mongal peoples are also like this, but I haven't seen the reports on this fact.

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A political blog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_rights

Not sure of how it all goes here but looks interesting.

Checked into it a little and it is an enclyopedia of sorts and has an interesting history of Scotland, nothing deep, but good family trees on Scot royal families.

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Rep. Henry Waxman is building the House of Reps. case against GWB. This is some GREAT reading, from the REAL gov sourches, (from mirandawritz on yahoo chat)

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/inves_admin/admin_nuclear_evidence.htm

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the _record/

Oh and ABOUT that BS that the Un food for Oil was corrupt? Read This, what happened when the US took over that fund, MORE of the same. Guess that Black Gold just makes for a really JUICY prize

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/billions_swiped.html

And Lets not Forget Tricky Dick Cheney

http://www.costanzo.org/Rex/Commentary/cheney_halliburton_circle.htm

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=23898

These sites and comments are from Mirandawritz from a Yahoo chat. visit that blog. I have the address up above in an earlier thread.

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A Think Tank War: Why Old Europe Says No
By Margo Kingston
March 7, 2003

http://www.smh.comau/articles/2003/03/07/1046826528748 html

The online edition of the Sydney Morning Herald brings you updated local and world news, sports results, entertainment news and reviews and the latest technology information.

The online edition of The Sydney Morning Herald newsroom


Click here to sign up for early morning news alerts from the Sydney Morning Herald newsroom
http://www.srnh.com.au/newsletters/subscription.html

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Golden Trout by Ralph Cutter.

"Would you wipe on entire race of trout off of the face of the earth for a couple of new pickup trucks? George Bush would.

The administration of the "Sportsman's President," has twice refused congressional pleas to fund the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's (USFWS) ability to consider species for placement on the endangered species list. For less than the cost of a couple of the pickup trucks Bush has included in his $87 billion package to Iraq, the USFWS could make a finding on Trout Unlimited's (TU) request that the California golden trout be considered for endangered species protection.

For more information on where and how to catch native golden trout see "California's Sierra Golden Trout" by Ralph Cutter on our web site at
www.flyfisherman.com/toc/.

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Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented?

Sunday August Fourth, 2002

Just wonder if this story holds up to the newly released findings?


http://www.time.com/nation/printout/0,8816,333835,00.html

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Ronald Reagan Juniors quote in a post here on AAJ, one Mike posted, is about election 2004, and it was a bumper sticker seen by him in Seattle. The message:


" SOMEONE ELSE FOR PRESIDENT"

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Terror Alert: The latest terror alert is being taken seriously by many and not so seriusly by others.

We have heard that some of this information if from 2000. When are they going to say which is the new information and when will they let us know why they are waiting until now to reveal it? Is it all new, from the raid in Pakistan? Or are they playing on our fears again, like they had mapped out just days after the destructiion of World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the plane crashing in Pennsylvania? They had said they needed to play on our fears, so do we hope that is what it is, a ploy, in that case it shows just how rotten, and how low this administration is, which we have a pretty good notion of at this time anyway, or do we believe them and hope, fear, against fear, that it won't come to pass. We are not wanting to feel fear, and if this is a ploy, it is a dangerous, and low down dirty one. Surely it is something they believe to be true. We would like to believe this administration isn't as bad as we have been thinking, that we''re getting carried away by our cynicism, by our pessimism. God, I hope it's a ploy and not real, but then???

[Smudge]

Here's something you may find of interest.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

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I taped Nightline last night. It is about interviews of the men and women who were in Abu Garieb prison during the abuses. I haven't watched it yet, and I dread seeing it, but I think we should all see and hear about it from the ones who suffered through it, or were there and knew about it first hand, not some sanitized version cooked up by the powers that be, whomever they are, however up on high they are.

I would hope some positive things would pop up on this site, something that would make us smile. With the state things have become, it makes it hard to find any good. Not in politics that is. Sure there are good people out there, we know a lot of them, but in the air upon high on Capital Hill, they're showing us nothing but base selfseeking greed and the need for power at any cost. Pathetic, just pathetic.

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Ancient Greek Athletes.

This is an interesting site, if you are at all into ancient history, or even if you aren't, sports are discussed, and the boxing history and horse racing history I found especially interesting.

With the Olympics coming up, I thought you might enjoy a little history of the game and of the athletes that competed in ancient Greece. (I taped the special on the ancient games that was on PBS last night, and plan on watching it tonight.) Statues and other artifacts are shown and links to other information is provided.

Here is the address:

http://www.mlahanas.deGreeks/Athletes.htm

SORRY, THIS WON"T COME IN!
Follow the link below, look up his Greek Accomplishment, scientific and not so scientific. An interesting site for other than just ancient history it seems.

TRY THIS AND FOLLOW HIS LINKS AND IT COMES UP:

www.mlahanas.de

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I hate quotations.

Check out this site by the same fellow who has the Greek site. His name, Michael LaHanas

"I hate quotations."
Ralph Waldo Emerson

.Vox populi vox Rindvieh

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Hermann Goring (1893-1946) at Numberger Trials

This is an excerpt from the site.

Address:

www.mlahanas.de

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One everning Rutherford noticed a hard working student in his lab, and asked him "Do you work in the mornings too?" "Yes." Proudly answered the student, expecting he would be commended. "But when do you think?" asked amazed Rutherford.

www.mlahanas.de

From the "Quotes" thread.

The administration is so busy working to decieve us and spin us, when do they have the time to think?

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An interesting damning news blog, with whistle blowers telling what was left out of the 9/11 Commisions report, a lengthy open letter complaining about ommissions & pre-knowledge of planned airplane attacks, etc.

Then there are allegations of vote tampering, and other items regarding allegations against Jeb Bush, he and others planning on privatizing Florida's water supply! Quite a web these men weave.

Much more to this blog, have a look and follow links.

http://americanassembler.com

Should you have any trouble hooking up with the files, just type in American Assembler on google.com. There are several links to several articles. Amazing articles.

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Should you have questions about Islam, what do Muslims believe? Here is a site that aims to answer those questions. Simple direct answers to the questions that I wondered about, for instance, "Who is Kafir?"

Here is the address:

http://www.renaissance.com

I can't access the site with this address, it sends up a page of advertisements.

Go to Google, type in "What is Kafir "or just "Kafir", and you can access the site this way. You might be able to access it with the linkI provided, but I can't.

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Bill Bennet, a man who's found the way use our goverenment, having lined his pockets in any number ways, has done it again, with help from legislation signed into law by the Cheney-Bush administration. Here is a prime example, the only difference being he is finding private investors to leap into this treasure trove. He and his associates in high office have provided yet another way to use us, the American public. This involves charter schools. There is much more involving the education changes broght on by the Cheney-Bush administration, programs rife with chances for those of little moral fibre to cash in, while we again, pay and pay. Then there are the charity businesses, another way to fleece the government, little going to the charity, big business jumping in.

Ethics in government? Think again!

Check out this site:

http://www.cpec-pa.org/home-edlinks/media-reports.htm

I am having trouble linking up with the address up obove, so just type in:...

Bill Bennets Education Business

It will be under PA Homeschooling Media Reports, on google.com It is his K12 Company.

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Mark A. R. Kleiman has an interesting blog, lots of relevent subjects, for instance, the creation of an intelligence chief, and the opposition to that idea,and of where it will be established. This is according to one of the reports in this site, it has been proposed before and fought all the way, Turf Wars you know, while they put us at risk, all over power and funds. Foolish men these politicians!

Address, or type in Mark A. R. Kleiman on google.com:

http://www.markarkleiman.com

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History Buffs, this is a good site, with other links to great information.

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mharrisch/mharrsch.html

If the link doesn't pop up, type in "Passionate about History" and do a google search. I found this site by looking for "Scots in China's earliest history." Wish we had had the internet when I was growing up, as this was one of my passions, left floundering due to so little resources being available, now, it is just amazing. More that I can even begin to absorb, much less the sites I haven't even began to peruse.

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In reading about the history of Iran, I found a site that tells of how the woman who runs it, how her first site was stolen, and that she lost all of her information and her domain name. How does that happen? How do they do that, and why would they want to steal it in the first place? How can this be turned into money? The web is running out of space or what? It seems there would be safeguards of some sort. For instance what if someone hijacked AAJ. Could they do that? If not, why can't they? Is there a simple answer?

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I found this site for facts. What all , I'm not sure, will do some checking, but now here's one fact that popped up. Here is the address and number of the thread. This fact is about jobs.

http://zfacts.com/p/613.html

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Vetern retracts criticism of Kerry!
http://www.Boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry/

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I don't know what this is about, could be porno, or it could be real, haven't looked. New from yesterday, it is about GW.


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/Graphics/movies/0805041bush.mov

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AMERICAblog: Because a great nation deserves the truth.

I found this site and it seems to be pretty informative, posting news paper OP EDs and other stories, which you may or not agree with.

One story tells of Bush's campaign going after the Amish, as they hate gays more than the current situation, more than the war in Iraq. Isn't this just amazing? Did they even know the Amish existed before now, have they recruited their vote before?

Cheney's own daughter is gay, how must she feel with the goings on of Roves hate mongoring?

Worst President for loss of jobs in 70 years. GW.

Bruce Springsten linked to Hate Group? (refers to Moveon.org)
A fringe group? Is that what we members are? See this blog to get the story, NYT (NEW YORK TIMES PIECE) by Michael.

Here is a scary piece. Now it seems the GOP Conservatives are defending the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII. Are Muslim-Americans next? This is a question posed by John in DC. It concerns a story written by an Asian American woman, and the articles are published on WorldNetDaily, The National Review, and that the author is a regular contributor to FOX. Read the story, and see if there is a threat in your eyes.....it seems to be a world gone mad..... where has rational thought dissappeared to?

George Clooney's father is running for Congress and his platform includes anti gay legislation. Wonders, and he is a Democrat!


SOUR GRAPES: Now this one sounds interesting, it is about the Koran passage that promises martyrs 72 Black eyed virgins. The latest scholarship suggest they are actually promised........? Talk about bait and switch. This is a NEW YORK TIMES /OP-ED. by Nicholas D. Krinstof, August 4, 2004.
Poor deluded fools. Kidding aside, read this one, it is fascinating and just could set the Muslim world on it's ear. It is amazing and is based on new interpertations using Aramaic. Doubt the world of Islam will pay it any heed however.****************************************** *******


nicholas@nytimes.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^see story up above this is from his column,
Nicholas D Kristof, Op-Ed columnmst for The Times, accepts e-mail from readers at the address above, or click on it and link up to his blog.

The address above is a blog about fundamentalism of Islam, Christianity and Judaism August 6th, 2004 This is the subject at this time, I don't know for how long.

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"$1.9 Billion of Iraq's Money Goes to U.S. Contractors. A Black Hole? Read the Washington Posts Story. Featured on Steve Clemens blog.

www.steveclemons.com

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So much for the promise of Democracy in Iraq.

I don't know how many of you have looked in on Al Jazeeras' web site, but from the news reported on it, the bias isn't there that we hear so much about, not as much as Brit Hume puts out on Fox that's for sure. The cartoons are pretty anti West, but for the most part, I found their reporting accurate and fair. Often times they are filing New York and European news organization stories, stories without a slant.

I don't watch their televised news stations, so if that is where the bias comes from, I can't say, however, in all of the other reporting we have seen coming from this news organization, they are fair, and do represent the Arab viewpoint, how could they not? Is our viewpoint of the Arab world any more fair, the reports from our press, and media? I would hope so, but after all, it is from our perspective, our viewpoint, driven by our cultural differences.

The Saudi's themselves are not in agreement with Al Jazeera, as anything that tells a story that might show the side of Arab life that they are in disagreemnt with, they want to shut them down themselves. If it shows the greed of the royal family, if it shows the suffering of poor Arabs, the Saudi government is against them too.

Democracy, still an alien concept in the Mid East, and the only bright light is Al Jazeera, so now it is Iraq that is in the dark once again. Remember we shut down a newspaper a while back, so how can we complain about the new Iraqi governing council doing the same?

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Prozac is found in Britains drinking water, causing some alarm on more than one front. It seems there is no testing program in place for such things. It isn't known at this time where the contamination is coming from whether is from sewage treatment plants or intentional contamination. It thought to build up on to toxic levels, and that will among other things cause reprductive failures

Are they testing our water for thse things?

If prozac is sometimes linked to suicidal tendacies, has there been a rise in suicide especially in younger people, such as teens?

I know people that have wells here in our state have had gasoline from leakiing tanks at gas stations get into their wells makeing ti dangerous and extremely smelly.

We have natural mercury in some of our lakes making fish from there unsafe to eat.

A neighbor's well water is almost brown and they have been told not to drink it. He probably has a very shallow well, and the dairy runnoff is probably ruining his water along with commercial fertalizers.

We have hot water wells in our area due to volcanic activity, so that could be another reason for his water being brown. They didn't tell me what the tests revealed, as they were just renters, and I'm not sure they actually knew what they revealed.

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Here's a blog featuring Iraq war news and a black and a white cat being cats.

Lots of information. and satire

www.liberalconspiracy.com

I haven't read the info, but looks to have quite a bit

Check out the pictures of Chalabi at the State of the Union address, he is sitting directly behind Laura Bush.

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A very interesting site still under construction, it's into more than one would think.

www.hateriotism


a link here is:

www.questia.com

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So far all I am seeing on this site is quirkey court cases, humorous strange cases.


http://www.courttv.com/people/scm/scm_061302.html

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http://www.slash.com

This is a web site that is telling of George Bush having bought up 200 web domains with names such as:

Bush_Sucks.com

There is a chat going on about it, suggesting a form of censorship is going on with this.

They are saying however that there is no end to combinations that can be made, so this is a lost cause. Well, maybe the simple names mightl be easier to stop, as they'll be harder to find in a search, to type in, etc., even so the more involved names will be harder, if not impossible to stop, how many can they buy up anyway?

Thre are other issues on this site, but this is the only one I looked into.

There's also a Clinton_sucks.com site they say, which they say is sortof funny, but ??? Could be teeney bopper humor that we've all heard ad nauseum.

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Another site on victims in the Aeriel Bombing of Afghanistan. Civilian Victims.

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

What is happening in Afghanistan? The poppie fields are thriving and the use of drug money is again alive and well in a Bush Administration. When will these men learn?

These fields must be erradicated, as they have already funded weaponery and explosives and any other number of items, and money for the men to live on who have it in their mindset to kill us all.

These drug fields must go. We need to know, and accept that we have to help the people who would have tended them, and made a subsistance living from them. We need to help them have a decent life, a life with enough food, clothing and medical treatments, heat for the winter, plus enough food for their livestock. If we can bomb them into oblivion, we can at least invest in making the country that is left to them a better place to live. After all, this is what we had promised.

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Dossier:Covert Ops and Secret Documents


I stumbled across this site which says it has hundreds of secret dossiers and that something strange is happening. I haven't checked it out, but here is the address if you are interested.

http://www.parascope.com/dossier.htm

Not sure if this is of any interest or not.

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Perhaps all of you already know of this site, but it is Oldies.com

http://www.oldies.com

Lots of different types of music, and then there is jazz, seems to be a decent place to find some old good tunes, by our favorite musicians.

Here's their 800 phone number: 1-800-336-4627

Happy hunting! Found lots that I would like to have.

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Not fitting in this thread verywell, however it is informative. Here is a site dedicated to trumpet players, and it seems interesting. :banana:

Here is the address:

http://www.trumpetstuff.com

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OK, this is just too much!

Can you say "privacy?" As in,"where is our right to it???" I definitely removed mine, I suggest you all do the same... Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on the internet, including your own! I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all! Thanks Homeland Security!

Maybe we should start up a petition or something protesting this. What do you think?

Go to the website and check it out, It's unbelievable!!! Just enter your name, city and state to see if yours is on file. After your license comes on the screen, click the box marked "Please Remove". This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.

http://www.license.shorturl.com

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Here is a site that goes into detail about GW Bush's national guard stay and his being AWOL. I found this on Al Basrah, they have another detailed post about his service, one which we haven't seen, this site has photo copies of reviews by his superiors, etc.

http://www.glcq.com

they also have an email address for comments, and it is:

awol@glcq.com

It looks as though part of his site is shut down, so go to Al Basrah on google and click on the

http://www.albasrah.net

Or use the link here if it will work, go to the part about Bush in their English speaking section and scroll way down to find the part about Bush and the National Guard awol records, etc. I'll look it up again and come back with the correct information for you. The government shuts this albasrah.net site at times so I hope it is still up and running.

here if the full link to the DESERTER post

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpcl.htm

Here's another link.

http://www.albasrah.net/mqalat/articles_E.htm

Hope this is not too confusing, answering mail, taking care of things around here, and then things get confusing, especially when links are broken.

For some reason, the links don't work all of the time, so just go to Al Basrah on google and click on Al Basrah.net, and you can find this article by scrolling down on their articles section, down to a blue line with: 14/08/2004, then you'll find the deserter post under "DESERTER, the story of GW Bush after he quit the Texas Air National Guard."

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Lots of you probably already know about this site, but just in case I'm going to tell you about it anyway!

This is an online library, with over 70,000 books. You pay for a subscription, either by the month or up to a year, and it just looks to be the greatest when it comes to school projects, research, or just for your own personal enjoyment. I will give you the address and do look at the demonstration, and you will see how it would help anyone who is in school, or just anyoine wanting to increase their knowledge base. I think this is one of the greatest sites I've found, and no downloads are necessary, it is really something, the demo is great, so make sure you watch it.

It provides work books, highlighting, bibliography's, you name it, anything needed for papers and study. It is just too fantastic for words, worth every cent if you are studying anything at all. It doesn't use up space on your hardrive, and the percs just go on and on.

This is on my list of things to get!

Questia Online Library - The Online Library

http://www.questia.com

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Have any of you ever used DMSO?

We have used it for years and years, on us, our neices and nephews, our friends, and on Livestock and pets.

The best thing in the world for a burn, oftentimes if used soon enough not even a blister and the pain is gone in no time.

Here is a site to learn about it. I knew the researchers niece, and she says he believes it is even more amazing than what is commonly believed about it.

I know sports teams use it by the gallon, and you see them spraying it on sprained ankles right though their socks. It works, and untill you've used it, it's hard to understand just how it can work as well as people tell you.

Here is the web address to my friends uncle.

http://www.dmso.org

We get the best brands from Veternarians, however Big R and others carry it, jwe get the pure with water, 99% DMSO, no other substances in it. We always make sure we have no foreign substances on our skin, and we rinse it with white grape juice or papaya juice and then plain water. We then pat dry.

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An odd site, with odd posts. You can enter your thoughts as offbeat as they might be. Seems to be the way to go.

http://www.scrappleface.com

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A gemological site, located in Carlsbad, California.

For those interested in gemstones, jewelry, etc.

http://www.Gia.edu

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A blog site that was posted by Brownian Movement here on AAJ. Thought I should post it as an address as it is aimed at outing hypocrisy in government, hypocrisy in our elected officials. It is a site written by Michael Rogers, and it is blogactive.com.

http://www.blogactive.com

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Here is a Jewish Newspaper based in Chicago, it looks to be an interesting place to visit, and todays topic of interest is talking about Jews having been Democratic traditionally, and how some are now finding a place in the GOP. How they are using RICCO laws to fight terrorism, and the rising of Anti Semitism in France, with communities having been attacked. There is a story of a town in China with a Jewish past reaching out to Jews There's a photo gallery, and much, much more.

Here is the address link, just click on it.

http://www.chicagojewishnews.com

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Here is another site that I found on our political thread here at AAJ, but want to post it here so that more might see it, here is the address:

http://www.bartcop.com

This is an entertaining site and one that is sure to upset GOP supporters, but hey, post opposing views anytime.

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Are you curious about things or do you have children that would like to satisfy their curiosities about numerous things or would they like to color? This is a site that has many, many article's many with color book priintouts for children to use colored pencils or crayons on. I think this is a fabulous site. From gemstones, to butterflies to prehistoric life, history, etc. Many topics with illustrations and photo's.

Check out the Halloween page for kids, it is a good one, lots and lots of things for kids to do, or for you to do for them, either way it looks to be great fun for someone.

Here's the address:

http://www.enchantedlearning.com

Hope someone out there enjoys this site.

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Here's a blog from the Bart Cop site. Interesting facts about the Admiral making accusations against Kerry. Also talks about the Science Fiction in Arnolds speech. Like a "Girlie man", he is full of talk.

http://marc.perkel.com

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Here is another site telling you why Nader and the Green party and others should vote for Kerry, not sure what else is in this site, but it does look interesting.

http://www.commondreams.org

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Here is a link to Andy D's Noam Chomsky. There are several articles and interviews on this site. It looks very interesting. Funny that it takes an Irish Brit to put me onto a person who is called "The Conscience of America." I know a lot of us really don't know much about Chomsky, I don't even know which gender is involved, I'm assuming Noam Chomsky is a man. Very easy to read and not dull, not the articles from the interviews, so if he writes as he speaks, it will make for easy flowing reading.

Here is the link address:

http://www.zmag.org


To access some of Noam Chomsky articles free, (I see a lot of articles are only available to paid subscribers) ,you might have to go to the previous site:

http://wwwcommondreams.org

I found lots of free to read articles by Chomsky there on commondreams.org

I tried to put in the complete address, but the link wouldn't function with it on my computer, so you'll have to get to Noam Chomsky yourself after getting to the ZMag site.

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:violin An interesting site, one which I found while looking up the tune "Slaughter on Tenth Avenue".

This composition has always been a favorite of mine, one which I tried to get some of the jazz greats to do, but they didn't know it, and I don't think they ever looked it up to see if they would have liked it, but it, or parts of it would just sound great in a jazz mode. They said they couldn't find it. I used to try to get Miles to try it, but he couldn't find it easilly, I should have found it and given him the music or another recording of it to him. He was interested, but he, or any of the other guys never did it that I know of. I've asked on this board about it, and no one knows of any one doing it either. I didn't know it was a ballet, nor did I know that it was by Rodgers and Hart, but I did see Gene Kelly perform to it in a movie during a Saturday matinee, that is where I first saw and heard it, I just thought it was a movie thing, not realizing it came from Broadway. This is just a little trivia, a little history. Would even like to have a classical version of it, as there is one part to it that is just terrific. :violin

Here is the address:

http://www.missvalleyorchestra.com/html/slaughter_on_tenth_ave.html
It won't work so see if you can get to it with the following link or go to google and do a search, this is how I found it. The link below will take you to the orchestra's web site, but you'll have to peruse it to find it if it is still available

Try this, maybe you will have better luck:

http://www.missvalleyorchestra.com

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:elephant: This seems to be a pretty good site for jazz players as well as fans, it is Jeff's Home Page, and the address is: :elephant:

http://www.shout.net/~jmh/

Or just try

http://www.shout.net

There are solo transcriptons for trumpet, Three Don Fagerquist Transcriptions just added, a Clifford Brown transcription, and others by Carl Saunders, and Jazz trumpet Player Tribute pages, biography's and additional resources, music Haiku, and it all is pretty interesting, all to do with music, trumpet specifically. Hope you enjoy it.

This has teaching techniques of Clifford Brown too.

Going back over this site, it is an odd one, guess it has several articles on it, and finding what you're looking for is only easy if you use the top web address, the other articles have women in wedding attire, and a man holding a toy penguin, and a fellow on a bicycle in a safty helmet, and all sorts of addresses, and articles on publishers, or hedge funds, ????? Unless you want to surf all around through odd little things, then use the top address.

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Just read an odd thing on Opera, it's about music, the loud booming type the kids have in their cars, and on their stereo's, the excessively loud kind.

There has been a rash of collapsed lungs, with ruptures, and they believe it's being caused by repetitive booming bass, which they believe makes the lungs vibrate, the result being a rupture which causes collapse. Jeeze!!!

You know, we live out in the country and we have a couple of kids in our area who come down our road in their cars. We're about 1/4 mile from the highway, and about a mile from the nearest cross road, and we can hear those kids coming down the highway from approximately a mile away, A little less as the crow flies. The girl has a convertible so she may not be getting it as severely, but it's still really booming. It is amazing. They will be so sorry, once their ears start ringing and the pain starts, as with it that loud, how can it not be doing damage?

I sat in the Lighthouse year upon year and it's a wonder my hearing isn't ruined from that, but the wierdest thing was when I went to the Corral in Topanga Canyon, and there was a Jimmy Hendrix type band there and the music was so loud that after it had stopped, your stomach was still reverberating, and I kid you not, so I know that the thing about your lungs vibrating is so true. I hear that is a terribly painful thing to have happen,, collapsed lungs, so if any of you listen to your music that loud, be careful, and tone it down.

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This is an email that is making the rounds here in the states. Not knowing the Kuran, I'm not sure if this is accurate.

IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING: DID YOU KNOW???

1 The garden of Eden was in Iraq

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3 Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4 The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the Ten Tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq.

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq.

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace)

14 Belshazzar, the King of Babyloin saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq.

And you have probably seen this. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. Do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq. However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

The name Iraq means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history, and prophecy associated with it than Iraq.

And also....This is something to think about, since America is typically represented by an eagle, Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages....

The following verse is from the Koran,

Koran (9: 11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome
Eagle. The wrath of the eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah, and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah, and there was peace.

Note the verse number.

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:thewave :thewave This is a fascinating spot for anyone interested in Art, Advertising, Color Theory, and how color effects our minds. :thewave

Hope this address works for you, it is a Yahoo service.

http://poynterextra.org/cp/colorproject/color.html

This is an interactive site and requires "Real Player" I believe.

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:thewave Here is even more, more that I found on the first site about color theory, go back to the first post about it and then you will find several addresses about color for the WEB.

here are a couple of addresses:

http://poynter.org/visual/toolbox/index.html

The above site offers downloadable palettes and templates, then there is then next address:

http://.webreference.com/new/color/html

Hope I copied these correctly, if not get them from the first site, there's also books, out of print, but your library should have them, or can order them.

The poynter site has several links to interesting articles written by photojournalists, one of interest is the story of covering the Olympics in Greece, and then there are articles about shocking images and how to handle them. Just check out the several topics for those in news, and journalism, an interesting aside to what is usually published, their personal take on covering events, people and war. Much much more, and very interesting. :thewave

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:thewave I should have mentioned that this site has several links to color theory for web sites, which colors work, and which ones don't. They go into what they used to believe worked, and into what is working today, as technology has changed, and more colors are now available. So anyone into web design will probably find this site very useful. I know that some sites grab your attention, and others, well, they are tiresome or hard to view. :thewave

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:duel U.S. Military Site, Navy. This is a site that has studies that they make available to us. It will be sent to your email address if you would like. The article that I am sending the address for is on Islam and tribal influences, etc.
Evidently, they have many other studies showing their viewpoints on other subjects.. :duel

Here is the address:

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/june03/middleEast2.asp

and then there is this for email:

ccc@nps.navy.mil

I've found this article on Islam and tribal influences especially interesting, and hope you do also. It does ask the question as to why Islam has targeted the West, as there is the belief that the U.S. hasn't harbored any ill feelings toward Islam. It goes into these things as well as Darwins theory on tribalism and others take on it as well. A Very interesting article, Velly!

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Vegan, or Vegetarian; do you use animal product without even knowing?

Some refrain for eating animal products for humanitarian (would there be a better word for this?) reasons, and some for health reasons, some for both.

Here is a site that tells you of a few of the uses in practice for animal by products. It will surprise you to see how many different products and uses are out there for animal products. Not just shoes or jackets, take a look. I had done a report on this several years ago, and it amazed me then, and it still does. For years it was from animal by products that insulin was made, but now there is a lab produced insulin that might have over taken the one made from animal by products.

Here's the address for one, I'll add more later.

http://www.askthemeatman.com/beef%20by%20products.htm

Another address,

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/jross/beefprod.htm

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Just a question of little importance.

What ever happened to Steve on PBS's "This Old House?" He's not there and I have never heard why. There's the new kid with the plesant demeanor, but no Steve.

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Have you ever heard of the people in the United States who are referred to as Melungeons? There are interesting speculations about them, and there are ongoing tests being conducted to try to get to the bottom of their heritage, as there are wild speculations about them, some actually not so wild, but based on observations of even Columbus, who is thought to have encountered them in his voyages.

There are lots of links to American Indian tribes as well so check them out, they're in the orange column on the left.

Here is the address:



http://www.aaanativearts.com/article242.html

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I'm posting an address to a page about the Lighthouse. At times this was my home away from home, not always but I did spend a lot of time there off and on. A terrific place to be introduced to jazz and the greatest artists who ever played.

I can't see the writing unless I right click on the script, and then click on "Select All" to have it come up in blue and white, then it's visable for me. You might have to do the same.

Not a complete story, but a short history, and a couple of pictures.

Here's the address:

http://www.thelighthousecafe.net/history.html

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Here's a site that features a little story by Ted Gioia about Howard Rumsey, the founder of the Lighthouse All-Stars. It tells a little of an altercation he had with Stan Kenton.

Then there's a history of the Lighthouse Members written by Howard. He looks so young in the photo, but he used to look so old to me, in fact they all did, except Stan and Sonny Clark. Funny, they were just a bunch of young guys, but being such a kid, they seemed ancient to me. I could see and hear the talent, so that wasn't lost on me, but their youth was. I couldn't see it.

Here's the address:

http://members.tripod.com/~hardbop/rumsey.html

Hope you enjoy these little mini bio's, they were enjoyable men.

There are several other bios and accompaning photo's on this site as well, just follow the underlined links, or use the alphabet on the home page to find a musician you would like to learn more about.

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There is an interesting article in Reuters News. and it involves Haliburton. It seems the U.S. Army is going to open bids for services provided to the Army and other armed forces.

Now it becomes clear as to why there wasn't sufficiant water, and other supplies for the troops. Remember them not having sufficient water in the desert heat? Remember family members having to send them any number of necessities? Here it is in a nut shell, besides the thought that Haliburton (under Dick Cheney?) have more than likely over charged the government for the services they are rendering, they also stand to proifit like this. They have a contract for so much money, say for argument sake, ten billion dollars, and if they come in under that amount, they will be paid an additional 2%. Sounds miniscule, but if the hold costs to say, eight billion dollars, and they are paid 2% of the ten billion, they are making a huge profit, while the troops go without hot meals, go without enough water, go without, go without. Lack of field kitchens and lack of water, has this ever been done on this scale before? Money. "Money's their god and how to get it is their religion," as a famous man once said.

Go to :

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6166715

Check in with the Wall Street Journal for a more comprehensive report on this. They are saying there is about a 1% profit margin, it is very slight, it is in the bonus that the money is made.

I still remember reports of our armed forces being treated for heat exhaustion, dehydration, and heat stroke and that these ailments were exaserbated by lack of water, a ploy to save money it was believed.

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Did you know that drivers in the U.S. lose 3.5 billion dollars a year sitting in traffic?

This according to the Wall Street Journal :shrug:

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Did you know that drivers in the U.S. lose 3.5 billion dollars a year sitting in traffic?

:eek: :eek: Man, where does all that money go? I'm coming down to the States to start looking for it! :D :D

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:eek: :eek: Man, where does all that money go? I'm coming down to the States to start looking for it! :D :D


Gotta admit, that's cute!

:lol: Oh that it were so easy to come up with, so easy to find.

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Since Chris has turned me onto this site, I thought I would give it a post with the address to it. Ugly name, not into that type of insult, but the articles are well written by respected journalists. Some, such as Molly Ivins, (a favorite of mine) I will admit.have a bias in favor of the Democrats and that is fine as they are editorials and as such are often the journalists viewpoint, not only the facts, but their viewpoint is thrown in, along with trusted factual stories and issues, and in this context this is o.k., as we know where they're coming from. Honorable journalists, yet ones who see the world from a different viewpoint than a lot of us.

Here is the address:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=17749
The above address deals with some of the latest information dealing with Bush's military service and how it probably all came about and how he knew the war was winding down and how they wouldn't be, in all likelyhood, enforcing guard rules, and how he wasn't alone in his actions. Age now would prevent his deployment, but wonder if he would shirk going to Iraq? Such a dangerous place, as was Viet Nam. We know too many Viet Nam vets to ever forget how dangerous and traumatic serving there was. We'll be hearing the same stories from the men and women who are blessed and lucky enough to make it home from another dangerous situation and place!

http://www.smirkingchimp.com
The above address is just the link to the site, you can choose your own topic.

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Shouldn't there be laws changed as to who can seal records and what reasons are acceptable as to why and how certain records are sealed?

Bush's records as governor are sealed, as are his fathers records, and what else, which records?

How is this legal? Nothing is in them concerning national security, nor Texas's security, unless they are fearful of the illegal imigrants who in seeking a better life are swarming across our borders in droves.

Really, how is this legal? Shouldn't someone be challanging this? Of course if the supreme court is packed with Bush appointee's how will legal matters ever be fairly decided, at least in our eyes.

I don't care if it is a Democratic President, or governor, or a member of the GOP or any other political party, this is a practice that shouldn't be allowed to continue, as if seems they are just in the business of covering up their own mistakes, not protecting the country, and wasn't this part of the reason for allowing such matters to be hidden from view? Not for personal protections?

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An interesting site featuring Modern Mexican Coastal Architecture. My favorite style, just love this type of design.

Here is the address:

The Hacienda Architecture of Mexico

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/feature/coast1.html

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I should have put in this link to the Mexican site, and then you can choose your own subject, of which there are many. So interesting, just too bad that travel in Mexico can be so dangerous, well, it can be here too, but not as pervasive as it is down there, the poverty making it more prevelant.

So much to see and enjoy, so much that is amost what we consider to be exotic, and the history is everywhere, in the landscape, in the architecture, in it's peoples and their different tribes, with so many different foreign influences, and influences from people, from the days of the conquistadors, to todays tourists and investors.

Mexico is in a constant state of flux, yet clinging to tradition, and the old ways, and it is fascinating to see the ways in which it is going, which path or paths it will take, as there are many, and who knows how everything will turn out.

As we flew over Mexico when I was 12 I remember the Pilot pointing out a forest fire, and wondering why Mexico would be so willing to let the timber just be destroyed, now we know it is the best way, but then it was considered terribly wasteful and a show of ill manangement by the government, just another show of their ineptitude. He called Mexico a "Sleeping giant." as the resources there were so many. He said they used to radio them with the information and coordinates on the fire, but they were ignored and the Mexicans weren't at all concerned. The pilot had a deep interest in Mexico and he was sharing with us.

Follow the links and see everything from art, to architecture, to recipies to history to current events, etc. This is an intersting site, and if you are excluded from a page, try another route with the links and you might find you're able to see things without regestering, like the recipes or the architecture, and art. One way would block me, and with some surfing, I would usally make it into a page.

Here is the address:

http://www.mexconnect.com/index.html

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A collection of short little stories by a surfer from Washington, and this one is about a fisherman who had been in a shipwreck several years earlier.

Click on the stories on the left if you care to see more of his tiny adventures, nothing earth shattering, just a journal of his trip to Mexico

Here's the address, click on it.

http://www.shelterpub.com/_baja/shipwrecked.html

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Looking for a book to read? This site has lists of books for children, young adults and adults. There are novels, biography's and non fiction. There will be a brief description as to the content.

Here is the address for you:

http://www.mpsomaha.org/mnhs/academics/Mediacenter/Books.htm

Hope this is helpful to you.

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Cicada Cycle Fascinates Us.

This is a chat that is talking about Cidada's and how people think of them. There are other chats on this site, political, news of the wierd, etc., but thought this was an odd one, as we in the west having not gone through what everone back east did, it looks odd to see a chat about them.

Here we get Pandora Moths, and they are so strange looking, with bright yellow wand like appendiges on their heads, so odd looking, and they will be everywhere when we have their invasions. They keep you awake at night fluttering their wings, thrashing about as they are dying, and there are hundreds of them and then when their eggs hatch out the tiny little black catapillars, they march off in a line, head to tail searching out your decorative small pines, or larger ones, and devour every needle almost denuding them, and the needles don't come back, so if you don't spray with some sort of bug deterent or killer, your expensive landscaping is gone, or so ugly it will need to be replaced. We just keep moving them out to a ditch bank and put prettier ones by the house. Only one by the house now, as they are so destructive.

At least with the Cicada's they aren't around as often, and with the moths, at least they aren't as loud or quite as thick, but still cause a mess, especially if stepped on.


Here is the address:

http://www.murmurs.com/talk/archive/index.php/t-68975.html

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Here is a site that promotes healthy foods, "The Worlds Healthiest Foods", and how to cook them; recipes, planning a healthy diet, and so forth. There is a breakdown on Kiwi's for example, and how many nutrients are in them.

I always thought that celery was a useless food. I read where you expend more energy eating it, so it is one food to eat to lose weight as you spend more energy eating it than you gain from it, but they're saying that it is high in a couple of good minerals, and it is high in tumor prohibiting compounds, so, guess we'll include it in our diet more often. I used to put it in tuna salad a lot, used to put cheese spreads and peanut butter in it and have it quite a bit, but for some reason, we just quit having it around. When cooked, I can't stand it, raw is fine, and more than likely better for you

There's an unusual smoothie recipe, and one for a Mexican Soup that sounds pretty tasty, and fairly easy to make, think I'll try both of these pretty soon, especially then one for the Mexican soup, as the nights are getting cold here on the high desert, and Mexican is one of my favorite foods. Will use red or yellow bell peppers not the green as they taste bitter, or, I'll use green Aneheim Chiles. or even some hot serrano's. Play with it a bit, and see if I can improve it to suit my taste, after I try the original.

Here is the address:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=14

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Tilting at Windmills? It seems that is what many think we are doing here on this site, and here is a blog that goes into things that are on our minds, current events, etc.

There are articles on Moral Ruin, from both sides and there are no good guys, then there are situations set up to see who will think who is right, which issue is right, same issue, Problem Frames is the name of this article, an interesting viewpoint and study. Then there is an article about our "New American Police State" in which they talk of police tactics in New York during the GOP Convention. There is also an Article about Democracy, this is especially fascinating as this is a promise we've made to the world that we will take and instill Democracy in Iraq, therefore it will seep over boarders become policy all over the middle east. And there are the articles about the Chechens, and the Russian, and the view that both sides are moral monsters, although not equally culpable, there are no good guys, this in the Moral Ruin story as well.

I haven't read it yet, but there is an article that says the committtee to elect Bush is planning a new smear on Kerry, this to be the most devestating one yet, and it's reminicent of the Willie Horton ad they used to hurt Dukasas, and I guess this one is pretty slanderous. Funny that the new election laws were brought about to combat the tactics George SR. used to run against his challangers, they were so dirty and lowdown that laws were put in place to try to stop such goings on, well here we are in that same scenario, and they have figured out how to nail their competators down, cause them such harm that the public doesn't figure out the truth until it is too late, and so why should they care about ethics, hey they win being so nasty, so dishonest, so lowdown. This story is called "Bringing A Knife To A Gunfight."

Here is the address:

http://www.la-mancha.net/

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A blog, the home page says "Hullabaloo", and it is a blogsite, and has numerous comments and quotes about and by George Bush, plus quotes from the survivors of the victims on 9/11. This is an anti Bush site, so be forwarned.

Here is the address:

Maybe I put this site address in wrong but there is a link in the thread just previous to this one, so you can still access it. Just look for digbysblog in the underlined sections of the stories. Or go to the site that comes up to search for blog sites. If none of this works go to the site above this one and look at thr story, Taking A knife To A Gunfight, and then look for digbyblog, it will be in the story somewhere and it will be underlined.


http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2004_08_15digbysblog_archivehtml#10925890446785939 7

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Here is a site about Costa Rica, written by an old friend, back in the days from the beach, another jazz fan, but not into it as much as I was, and we used to go to the Lighthouse together during the winter months, great fun, as his wit was to be envied. This was back in the late 50's. Remind me to tell you about being thrown in a pool and having to go home and change clothes, and because of this, missed a terrible fight, one in which the Hells Angels, crashing our party for Bing Copeland, Rick Stoner, and Ricky Griggs, the well known oceanographer and surfer, who were going on a two year cruise of the South Pacific, it being their going away party, and the fight was on, they Hells Angels had crow bars and bike chains and the beach guys had Frankie Avalons (not the one you might of heard of), numerous baseball bats and cast iron frying pans, and it got out of hand quickly. Glad to have been soaking wet, and too cold to stay that way.

Anyway, when you get to this sight, move your cursor down the orange column to pick up links and when on the site, click on the underlined sentences to be able to access the complete stories, I like his writing but one story seems a bit over the top. Great houses down there too, but it is the stories I would like for you to see.

http:www.hot-tropics.com/harvey-haber.html

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:elephant: :elephant: The All Birthdays Jazz Thread might be seeing it's last days. Are there any of you out there that can help keep it running? Or do you want to see it continue, perhaps even changing the format a bit so as not to be too redundit? Figure out ways to keep it fresh? There are some ideas being floated around.

:elephant: :elephant: This has been a favorite thread for a lot of us, lots of great pictures, and little tidbits about our favorites and even into ones who might be more obscure, giving us a chance to look them up and learn more about them, and then there are the rememberences, the way these musicians have influenced our thinking, or taste in music, and how much joy they have brought to a lot of us.

If it goes down, it has been a great nostalgic trip just the same, but a redux is in order with a lot of us, so how about you? Go to that site and let the guys know your thoughts, and let them know if you want to be in on the hard work that it takes to keep it up and running. :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

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This Day in Radical History!

In 1857:
Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Mormons offer to escort a Gentile train passing throught Utah to safety from the Indians, then line up all the adult males in a single file with a Mormon guide on each side and at a prearranged signal, massacre them all in cold blood. Mormon Militia, disguised as Indians, along with real Indians, moved in on the women and older children, shooting, clubbing and tomahawking them to death.

1973:
CIA overthrows democratically elected government of Chille, assassinating President Salvador Allende, folk singer Victor Jara, and and many others. Sixteen uears of repressive military rule follows. Guards singled out Jara as he continued to sing protest songs in the stadium and beat him viciously, and machine gunned his mutilated body in front of the other prisoners. The US backed military dictatorship banned Jara's music, image and name ,and for a time even outlawed the public performance of the evocative folk-guitar. The Coup was led by Aususto Pinochet. He immediately killed or "disappeared " hundreds, and in coming years, thousands more,. Striking Chilean labor unions instrumental in destailizing the Allende government, were secretly bankrolled by the CIA.

1860:
American adventurer William Walker, who became dictator of Nicaragua before being deposed by Cornelius Vanderbilt, then attempted to invade Honduras, is executed by a Honduran firing squad after being captured by the British.


1915:
Genocide of Armenians begins in Turkey.

1918:
Eugene Debs sentenced to 10 years for protesting war.

1935:
Birth of Richard Hunt, African American , a leading sculptor. Chicago.

Illinois1970:
Timothy Leary escapes from prison in San Luis Obispo, California, with help from the Weather Underground; joins Eldridge Cleaver in Algiers.

1883:
Sitting Bull (Tatanka Iyotake), main chief of the Lakota (Siox) tribes, delivers a speech, at the celebration of the driving of the last spike in the Northern Pacific Railroad joining with the transcontinental system, to great applause. He delivered the speech in his Sioux language, departing from a speech original prepared with an army translator. Denouncing the U.S. government, settlers, and army, the listeners thought he was welcoming and praising them. While giving the speech, Sitting Bull paused for applause, periodically, bowed, smiled, and continued insulting, and making asses of the audience, and U.S. authorities, as the translator delivered the original address.

1950:
First use of TV laugh track.


September 11, 2001:

:angel The saddest day of our lives. :angel

Find these tid bits of information, and many other bits of news at this address along with editorials from leading columnists, and reporters:

http://www.workingforchange.com

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The Writings of Greg Palast. Journalism and film.

This fellow has an interesting article on 9/11, the Saudi''s, Bill Clinton, and GW Bush. This is damning as most issues concerning the current administration are. There are also archive's to be perused, and interviews which can be downloaded with QuickTime, or RealOne.

There are stories about The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, Bush Family Fortunes in the City Of Brotherly Love, Theft of the Presidency, Bush Energy Plan: Policy or Payback?, Bush Blocked Bin Laden Probes, and others, and you can sign up to have news articles emailed to you.

The 9/11 report is sad to see, as so much more could have been done, but, as we all know, little to nothing was ever done, and instead we lost thousands, and we have that terrible image seared into our consciousness forever, we will never remove it from our every day thoughts. Not a day goes by that I don't see that image in my own minds eye.

Here is his address.

http://GregPalast.com

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On the Greg Palast site, there are links to other sites, and here is one of them and it discusses Health Care, and how Michael Moore walked into Canadians homes without being asked in, just opening doors and walking in.

He then goes into Health Care and how most people don't care to fight for it until it is too late, after they are needing it.

Here is the address:

there is more to this site, but this is all I looked into:

http://www.guerrillanews.com

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Texas Government at work according to a letter involving the Lottery, printing of money, and the former governor of Texas, Governer Barnes, and his involvement getting GW Bush in to the guard. His position this reporter is saying was a payoff.

Here is the site for a copy of the letter:

http://www.gregpalast.com/ulf/documents/draftdodgeblanked.jpg

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The 'Puppet Government in Iraq", is being compared to the one we have here in our country, "neither one was elected", and it is the same entities that are, and will be, pulling the strings.

Such strange times. :shrug:

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In the article I read about the two "Puppet Governments", they are saying it's James Baker who is pulling the strings, I said "entities", while according to the report is is just James Baker. It goes into how he will have the Iraqi's pay the Saudi's for the monies lost due to Sadamms invasion of Kuwait. That it will be a win, win situation for the Saudi's and others. He will see to it that the Saudi's will be paid. Who else will be the beneficiary's is also in question. The Carlyle group, the arms dealing consortium, is susposed to figure into this scheme, and they are Bakers company. George Bush SR, and JR both work, or have worked for that entitiy they say. It is so controversial as to how the money will be made, and paid, but it seems the "insurgents in Iraq" are fouling up their not so well laid plans.

The General who was the first one to be in charge of Iraq, pre Bremmer, says that the plan was to have Iraq as a permanant base, a refueling station, a place we could rely on to be a wedge against any kind of expansion, a place from which to protect the oil fields, etc., etc.

We have a neighbor who has been into the "New World" beliefs, the radical groups which are somewhat like neo Nazi's, although he doesn't have a prejudiced bone in his body, but he used to think that there's a huge world wide conspiricy, and you would have to hear their beliefs. They are so far out there, I mean out there, and now these stories are like it's almost like what our neighbor believed so many years ago. It's like those stories they used to tell just might just have some merit. I sure hope not, it just couldn't be that bad. I don't like to think that the world could be so crazy, so corrupt.

OUr neighbor had an interest in history and in current events and saw an add for a paper, a paper using Abraham Lincoln's name to get attention, so he subscribed, and it was a subversive crazy pubication, and he got so in to it, that it became hard to talk to him, as his thoughts just became so crazy, that is until his son came to visit and told him what we had been telling him all along, he set him straight about it all, saying he had spent too much time alone, and to quit reading that crazy stuff. Almost overnight he became his old self again. Thankfuly!

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Any Artists Out There? Well I know there are, but thought just in case you've never tried these paints I would furnish a site for you to see about them.

This site has palette selections, High Key Basic Palette, Impressionist's Palette, Transparent Glaze Colors, Landscape Palette, Special Landscape Colors, and Old Master Palette. I paint, but have never restricted myself to these palettes, maybe I should try it, and see the results. It's just that I have so much fun mixing up new colors and trying to do something different each time I paint, that I've never experimented with tried and true.

I've used these paints and they have a heavier than normal pigment load, so you are really getting what you pay for. I like these paints a lot.

There are articles on techniques, etc. Check them out

Here is the address.

http://www.gamblincolors.com/howtp.html

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Not into oil painting? Would you like to learn a little about watercolor painting? Here is an online site with quite a bit of free information, and then there are are things to buy, tapes, books, etc. Looking through it, there are good lessons to be learned here, all without spending a nickel

The address:

http://www.fountainstudio.com/watercolor_tips.html

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Need a pair of custom shoes? I sure do, and would love to order some of the boots on this site, a shoe and boot store in England. Great looking shoes nd boots, and the English are known for their fine leather work, from making all of those saddles, carriages and hunting gear I suspose, but they do beautiful work.

I wonder if they would let you furnish your own leather, as they don't have too large a selection in exotics.

Bespoke shoes at Tower Bridge Shoes ~ Handmade, Custom made shoes and boots. Good prices as compared to U.S. custom Cowboy boots, however I found a fellow that makes great boots for about 1/2 the price of the other boot makers here in the states, and he does great work. A perfect fit, and your choice of leathers and you can design your own. I have two pair and each pair are favorites.

Here's the address:

http://www.tailoredforyou.com/?OVRAW=shoe%20shops&OVKEY=shoes%20shop&OVMTC=content


Here's the address

http://www.tailoredforyou.com

I tried these addresses, and so far it is trying to get you to sign on with them, domains, etc. This shoe and boot place is int ehre somewhere, I will see if I can find a direct link tomorrow, sorry about this. They are also promoting another search engine, SEEQ.

http://www.tailored-for-you.com

This last one is the one, it works, great!

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Would you like to go on a video tour of the Heroin Capital of America? If you would, go to this site, read about the area, and it's problems, and then take the tour, but do check out the other issues being discussed on this web site before leaving. This is the same site that has the article on health care.

Here is the address:

http://www.guerrillanews.com

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While reading the articles on Guerrillanews.com, look at the article "Don't Look at the Flash, by Greg Palast, Septermber 9, 2004. This is another alarming trend in this country, the loss of our civil rights. The abuses are many, and they will in all likelyhood grow, as when fear is present, reason often times flees.

The attacks, as fearsome and as tragic as they were, aren't enough to cause us to turn a blind eye to the abuses of our government in the guise of protection. We will be hurt more in the end by the loss of our freedoms, our right to privacy; this will be the legacy that Bin Laden laughed about, his saying that our government will take away our liberties because of his and his followers actions, and so far, he is right again. We need to make sure that more of our rights are not lost, that they are protected from over zealous politicians. In fact I would like our lost freedoms to be restored and our Constitution adheared to.

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Again, more terrible things about Halliburton and the cozy relationship they have with the Pentagon, and this administration.

Do these people really believe that their business ways are actually good for this country, while they bleed the American tax payer to foot the bill for their services; services for which they are believed to be charging in excess of what the actual costs and permitted profit margins are? It seems this is the consensus among the neocons, and all is well on the Western Front. They are doing us a service?

Go to this site and look up the story "Sons of Rio Conspiracy".

http://www.guerrillanews.com

You may have to highlight it by right clicking and clicking on "Select All" as it is too dark to see on my screen, so I'm assuming it might be that way on yours too.


Will the bad news ever end? When will business realize they too have a duty to our country, and it doesn't always just involve the bottom line? They need to take a more patriotic stance, a more humane way of doing business, and surely that wouldn't destroy their capacity to make their fortunes? Surely that wouldn't make them unable to function successfuly as a Corporation? The windfalls for them might not be as large, but it wouldn't be disasterous either, or in my mind I don't see why it would have to be harmful to their way of functioning. They would in all likelyhood still be raking in huge profits, while ridding themselves of suspicion and hatreds.

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Volcano's??? If you're interested in them, here's a site that keeps you updated on their activity, and there is a news letter you can subscribe to, and there are archives to see. Their latest posting was today, Sept. 12, 2004, 1430GMT

There are 148 messages in reverse chronological order.

Here's the address:

http://www.volcano.si.edu/gvp/reports/volclist/2002/vla00220.htm

Here is another site with a "Kids Door" a site with maps etc, not just for kids, not just for adults.

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vw.html

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Molly Ivans gives her take on GW and the National guard, saying it was public knowledge about how the boys of priviledge were being allowed in the "Champagne Unit" and it was filled with other prominant politicians sons, and with pro football players. It is interesting to read her take on that unit, and the men who used it to their advantage, and there were many. No one would have cared, but it is wondered how many other men and womens sons died in their place. This is the pity of it. Hypocrisy abounds. That is her belief among others.

Here is the address:

http://www.intellivu.com//main.asp?html

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Cornell University has this site about the "Patriot Act".

It is of course legal in content, so much legal mumbo jumbo, but for those of you who might be interested, here is the address:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/background/warpower/3162.html

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This seems to be a very informative site regarding Foreign Policy. It call's itself "A Think Tank Without Walls." They also have a weekely magazine.

Since it is said that a president defines himself with his foreign policy, those in the know expect Bush to make all sorts of moves if he should win the election. We are all apprehensive as to what course he will be taking, especially because of the hatrid, and/or contempt with which he is held abroad.

One of the weekly magazines I subscribe to, Time, or Newsweek, has a short article in which they are saying that one of his advisors has mentioned the possibility of other preemptive strikes. I believe the number is 3. Without the draft, how can he even consider such an idea? Without more troops and weapons how can he even begin to think in such terms? With the failures in Iraq, how can he expect to take on more?

Read this on terrorism, written by terrorism task force, "A Secure America in a
Secure World. It believes that the global war on terror is counterproductive, making U.S. citizens more vulnerable to terrorist attacks at home and abroad. It is their go it alone policy that has weakened the organizations and alliances for an effective global effort to combat terrorism, and the 9/11 Commissions recommendations don't go far enough.


There are articles, on Israel, Latin America, Iraq, Africa, the Milirary, etc.
Here is the address.

"Foreign Policy in Focus."

http://www.fpif.org

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Did you know that there is a faith based group consisting of several main stream religions and that they are working together in partnership to save the environment?

"The National Religious Partnership for the Environment is a formal alliance of major faith groups and denominations across the spectrum of Jewish and Christian communities and organizations in the United States."

Ordinarily it is disturbing to me to see faith based groups trying to influence, especially in politics. It is something that can get so out of control, it might be slow, not happen with a flourish, but it could happen; it could end up being them trying to have you submit to their brand of politics, their way of being religious; their religious beliefs being foisted upon you against your will. Your own beliefs denigrated into oblivion. Silly perhaps, but there is a deepseated distrust in faithbased political movements on my part, in my way of believing, one which I truly worry about. I have my own way of believing, and I want to keep it that way.

This group however, I believe, must be a good thing, and I do hope you enjoy reading about it.

Here is the address:

http://www.nrpe.org

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I am going to give you this link and let you decide which items are of interst to you, it seems to be quite full of diverse information, books, and causes. Too many to post individually, but many do seem interesting and topical.

Here is the address:

http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/getconnected/partners_links.html

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Here is a followup to one of the earlier posts on this thread, it is about William Walker, and it is a short history about this unusual man, and his international adventures.

There are other stories about California Natives on this site. It is a news letter and you can subscribe.

"The California Native International Adventures." from the California Native Newsletter.

Here is the address:

http://www.calnative.com/stories/n_walk.htm

More on William Walker, here is the address:

http://www.ralphandsue.com/WilliamWalker

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Have an interest in archaeology? Here is a site from a museum, the Sam Noble Oklahoma Museum of Natural HIstory.

The article here is about the Mayan, and it is an exhibit of textiles.

Here's the address:

I have a bit of a bobble on the address, so after accessing the site, hit home for a little more information on the exhibit, and the people.

http://www.snomnh.ou.edu/collections&research/ethnology/sub/mayan/collection/status.html

To just access the home page for the musuem, here is the address:

http://www.snomnh.ou.edu/.html

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Religion, Philosophy, Sex, Drinking, ETC. This looks to be an interesting site, going into disertations on any number of topics and there are chats to follow.

Night Owl Mk. ll.

One thing I see in this site is the article on religion in which I am in total agreement with and it is this statement with which he ends his disertation, and it is this: "Religions are at their best when they provide believers with a set of guidelines under which they can live happy lives in harmony with their fellow Man. They are at their worst when they seek to become the entirety of ones's life - or to force themselves upon others."

There are other subjets being discussed, but the above statement caught my eye, and it is so true as to how religion is effecting the world today, not just a few of us, but (almost if not), the entire world.


Here's the address:

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~mlbakke1/religion.htm

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Farrah Griffin talks about her fascination and her book about BILLIE HOLIDAY!

This is a fascinating read and one I was surprised to find on the web. Hope you enjoy it!

Here's the address:

http://www.jerryjazzmusician.com/linernotes/billie_holiday.html

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Lester Young in my minds eye is the embodiement of cool, so I especially enjoyed the quote that starts this interview with Henry Douglas Daniels, where he quotes B.B. King,

"Pres invented cool. Rather than state a melody, he suggested it. He barely breathed into his horn, creating an intimacy that gave me chills."

This just says it all doesn't it?

Here is the address for the writer of the Biography about Lester, an interview found on the same site as the interview about Billie Holiday.

This is for you MMILOVAN:

Can't get this to come in, so find the link on the Billie Holiday page, it's there and will put you on the site.

http://www.jerryjazzmusician.com/mainHTM.._cfm?page=daniels.html

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this is a site of "Special Collections" from 9/11, and some are heartfelt tributes and others may or may not be offensive to you. I haven't checked all of them out, but thought I would post what is being seen by emails (as I just received one of the posts via email,) and by google searches.

Here is the address:

http://www.911digitalarchive.org

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This was sent to me by a friend, the girl who used to own the Oar House in Santa Monica, who is the voice of the first talking Barbie, and the daughter of the man who took the famous pinup picture of Betty Grable looking over her shoulder while in her swimsuit. Trivia galore, there's more but this is what she sent to me. Oh, her name is Gwen Florea.

Here is what she wrote:

This is so weird, I just had to pass it along to everyone. Etc, etc.


The number 11...weird !

>>Eleven has become to be a very interesting number. It could be a forced coincidence, but in any case this is interesting. You decide for yourself.

<<1>> New York City has 11 letters.

<<2>>Afghanistan has 11 letters

<<3>>Ramsin Useb (The terrorist who threatened the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters.

<<4>> George W Bush has 11 letters.

<<This could be a mere coincidence...(Could it be?) Now here is waht is interesting...

<<1>>New York is the Sate #11

<<2>> The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight #11.

<<3>> Flight # 11 was carrying 92 passengers. Adding this number gives us
>>9+2=11

<<4>> Flight # 77 which also hit the towers, was carrying 65 passengers,
>>Adding
>> this: 6+5=11

<<5>> The Tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11. Adding this: 9+1+1=11

<<6>> The date is equal to the emergency number 911. Add this: 9+1+1=11


Now we have a very upsetting piece>>

<<1>> The total number of victims inside the planes are 254: 2+5+4=11

<<2>>The day September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year.

<<3>> After September 11, there are 111 days more to the end of the year.

<<4.. the tragedy of 3/11/2004 in Madrid also adds to: 3+1+1+2+4=11.

<<5>> The tragedy in Madrid happened 911 days after the tragedy of the
TWIN TOWERS.


Read on ! This is really eerie.

<< Since America is typically represented by an Eagle. Saddam and Bin Laden should have read up on their Muslim passages...the following verse is from the Quran.

Quran (9:11)-For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah, and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair, still more rejoiced, for the wrath of the eagle cleansed the lands of Allah, and there was peace.

<<Note the Number

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Odd, the previous post and the numbers thing, wonder what a numerologist would make of it, probably nothing, but it's strange.

One thing just doesn't really jive, and that is, where is the rejoycing in the streets? All we see are our hopes, and the Iraqi's hopes, being blown to bits.

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Historical Boys Clothing is an Interesting site, featuring "Naive Art" from Colonial America, and into the early 19th Century, before the advent of photography.

This art form is also commonly referred to as Primative or Folk Art, work usually done by self taught artists. this site is unique in that it has as it's focus in this offering the subject of "Boy's Clothing." Boys in those times were often dressed in pink; blue being for girls.

Here is the address:

http://histclo.hispeed.com/art/artists-prim.html

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Not a Pat Roberts fan, and so seldom watch his 700 Club, but this morning he had an interesting feature story on his television show, and it was compelling. Since I missed most of it, I thought I would try to see if it would be covered on his web site, and it is, but not quite as lucidly, however, it has enough in the written article to get the gist of the televised report.

The world of Islam in Africa is taking the idea of total control of the whole of Africa, and I believe much of the outside world, and beginning to implement the plans for such an event. It is world dominance that they are wanting and fighting for now, as the whims of a few terrorists are now just that, whims, whereas now, Islam seems to be unititing with the idea in mind for a more powerful role in the world. World dominance and control is now their goal. I would imagine that this will be rebroadcast, and I want to see it in it's entirety. A show not to be missed, filmed in Africa, with interviews from both sides of the issue.

The war of a few disgruntled terrorists, is, or has turned into a war of religion in many cases, and how does one go against that? The bodies of men are easier to win out over, but thought, especially in the form of religion, well, that is an imposibility to combat. We have no room for error, so our leaders had best realize this and not allow the abuses of the past to happen ever again. And how in the world does one do that? After all, men will be men, and who can stop all abuses, as opportunities for them abound, and they could and will, more than likely present themselves each and every day. Just how do we stop it? How do we excuse it?

Here's the address for the printed article:

The page will come on saying that the page doesn't exist, wait a few seconds and it will come in and it is the story about "Tensions Rising between Kenyan Christians and Muslims." The link eventually works, for me anyway.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/040914a.asp.html

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If you should click on the address above, stay with the site and look at the article on the teenage brain, something I've been telling my brother for ages now, as he worries sick about his kids, and for good reason, their teenage years have been frought with craziness, some typical kid stuff, and other things which makes you question their sanity, ha!

Here is the name of the article:

CBN News - Human Brain Doesn't Mature Until After Teen Years

Whew! What a relief to hear that, however, I believe in our family it can go on till about 35. We've all been so fun loving, danger seeking, impulsive people, and we still love challanges. Fear? What's that?

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What do you do about internet servers that double bill you, and after me having talked to them forever, they tell you (me) you've had the problem resolved with them, that you will be recieving notification of that fact, only to again recieve double billing, not the credit that is due you?

The girl did try to tell me that the telephone number I was giving her was incorrect, and it couldn't have been, as it has been the only one that I have ever used with this computer and SBC GLOBAL. I had to get the phone bill in front of me and tell her that, and then she accepted it. Just another diversion, or maybe she could't understand my West Coast California accent.

Ask to talk to a supervisor? Well, I did, twice now, and in the Phillipines they are in a meeting that seems constant, perpetual, a never ending meeting. This time the girl who I could understand part of the time, did give me an address to mail an actual letter to, Austin, Texas, so that is somewhat of an improvement, but no one to talk to state side. This after a conversation that was over 1/2 an hour long. Sitting on hold after telling her I would hold 3 hours if necessary to be able to talk to a supervisor, so it was about ten minutes and she came back on and said that there would be no one available, so I told her it wasn't her fault that she had no authority, that I would like for her to tell her supervisor that I will be turning them in to our State Attorney Generals office and that they need to work this out, that is when she gave me an address. I want a person of authority to talk to, not some poor girl in a 3rd world country who is desparate for a job. The companies policies are none of her doing, or fault.

It used to be there were ways to resolve such problems, but with the number of people today, and the way companies are set up, especially when they are overseas, there is no recourse, as it is like spitting in the ocean. How is my tiny little complaint going to be worth someone taking their time & effort to resolve, there isn't anyone out there that cares to do the little things.

If there weren't so much knowledge to be gained from a computer, and if there weren't places like this site, and the fact that you can stay in touch so easily with people that really matter to you, I would be off this computer in a heartbeat, as outfits like Symantec, and SBC Global are in my estimation not above board, a bit crooked and not worth dealing with any longer. Can't believe the depths to which companies will stoop, and how the people with them are right in step.

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See Post 102 and 103 to access the articles on Billie Holiday and Lester Young on this thread, back a few places. Don't want you to miss their stories.

102 & 103

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Interested in Muhammad Ali?

Here is a site that is selling a tribute to him, and it is called GOAT. The Greatest Of All Time!

it is a remarkable publication and will only or has only printed 10,000 copies, so it is more than likely gone, it having been snatched up by wealthy enthusiasts.

US price was $3,000.00. UK 2000

Well, the above price is wrong, it either went up, or I made a mistake, but I am now seeing $10,000.00

Even though it is probably gone, this is an interesting site, with 3 pages of bio on him, and then there are other items of interest on this site.

Here is the address,

http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/excerpts/photography/show/1/62.htm

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Here are sites that are into what is going on with Haliburton, the Bushes, and James Baker, amazing that they have reached such pinnacles in their world, and it is a world I can't even begin to imagine living in, it is like some fantasy, dream world that you would only read about in novels, not that things and people could think, believe and live as they do. Astounding, it really is.

This is a good site:

Http://www.greatdreams.com/political/french/connection
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http//www.tylwythtey.com/enemies/cheney/cheney.html
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This site may be a bit radical, not sure but will check out in more detail when I have more time.

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This is an excellent site, and has excellent articles, mainstream articles:

http://www.fpif.org/index.html


Here is another site with a video of abuses and involvements of the Bush's, James Baker, the Carlyle Group, that ghost entitiy that James Baker runs, and it is Baker who many say is running the country, even having bragged about getting Bush and Cheney into office with his Supreme Court ploy.

The first 45 seconds are in Dutch, the remainder in English. Here is the address:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm

This is a 45 or so minute disertation on the power in the Carlyle group and how and why it became what it is and it is a sensible and rational report, not a radical documentry as far as I can tell. I haven't heard all of it, just half of it. The content isn't so surprising, but conflict of interest is there for sure, and any time one leaves office and accepts lobbying or other influence peddling appointments or hires on to companies that are helped by the legislation you saw to it that it was passed for them, it does smack of cronyism, and in most cases, that is exactly what it is. Too bad, but the temptation is just too great, if not for money for the love of the game, and in these power hungry mens eyes, it is probably for both.

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Jimmy Breslin on political polling, he calls it a "Sham"

His humor and insight are often times interesting, and and a bit lighter fare, here is the address for his take.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/colomnists/ny-nybres163973220sept16,0,5538561.column

This link takes you to the site, but I had some trouble accessing his column. It's there however as are lots of other intersting articles.

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After all of the sickening political shennanigans, here are some health do's and don'ts.


Dioxin Carcinogens cause cancer. Especially breast cancer.

Don't freeze plastic water bottles with water in them as this also releases dioxin from the plastic. Dr. Edward Fujimoto from Castle Hospital was on a TV program explaining this health hazard. (He is the manager of the Wellness Program at the hospital.) He was talking about dioxins and how bad they are for us.

He said we should not heat our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This applies particularly to foods that contain fat. He said that the combinations of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Dioxins are carcinogens and highly toxic to the cells of our bodies. Instead, he recommends using glass, Corning Ware, or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, without the dioxin.

So such things as TV dinners, instant Ramin and soups, etc. should be removed for the container and heated in somethig else. Paper isn't bad, but you don't know what is in the paper. Just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc.

Remember when some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam containers to paper? The dioxin problem is one of the reasons. To add to this, Saran Wrap placed over foods as they are nuked, with the high heat, actually drips poisonous toxins into the food, use paper towels instead,

Pass this information along to your family and friends.

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I just had to laugh, and laugh loud, this is the funniest article I've read all week. After the debates we've had on other threads, this was vindicating. Well, at least it hit me funny, as I do know intelligent people who I differ with on any number of subjects and in politics as well, but still, it is funny.


It is an article that tells of a new study which shows correlation between decline of IQ and Rise of GOP, and here is the address: Just clik on it and it will take you to the site:

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm/ItemID=17627

This link won't take you to the article, but it will take you to the site, and then look up William Durst's "Stupid People Love Bush." Your computer might link you up, but mine won't.

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While looking for a web site manned by returning soldiers, ones who served in Iraq, I stumbled across this site, and it is even more disturbing regarding the administrations total disregard for the veterns and their families, especially the families of those who have been killed in Iraq. This is unconsciousnable, and is such a pity as to not be understood other than in the context of their being willing to do any thing to win, as winning an election at any cost is what they are attempting and doing to facillitate a win are, in my estimations the lowest I've ever seen, not since Nixon have such low down and dirty tactics been used by an incumbent, it is just amazing, and as such, they deserve to be defeated soundly, to put it politely!

According to oine of the stories, one written by Fiedrick Sweet, "The bush Administration say it respects the killed Soldiers, and their families." What they respect is winning the next election. Bush has banned ceremonies, etc, etc,

Here is the address:

http://www.vaiw.org

Click on the above address and then when you have accessed it, look up Frederick Sweet, and the article about the veterans. Or email me, and I will send it to you.
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http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php:op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid269
the longer address doesn't want to come in. ^^^^
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Here is another adddress to Sci Fi.com:

http://mboard.scifi.com/printthread.php?Board=farscape&main=100672&type=post
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For all of you who are into Greg Palasts reports, here is one on "The Forgotten Soldiers of Operation Iraqi Freedom." It is on the ProgressiveTrail.Org web site.

Here's the address, just click on it!

http://www.progressivetrail.org/articles/040309Palast.shtml

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"SWIFT BOAT MISFIRINGS"

Here are more reports concerning the Swift Boat Men! Revealing!
From "The Nation"
Here's the address:

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=1825

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Check this out about alleged prevarications by GW about John Kerry's health plan! September 17th, 2004.

Here's the address:

http://www.davidcorn.com

http://www.davidcorn.com/index.php

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Whatever happened in Florida to at least the appearance of propriety when it comes to the counting of ballots? Read the article on Madame Butterfly in Working for change, and it is a doozy! It really is, how is this legal? Do they do as they please down there? It seems so, but where have ethics gone?

This is yet another expose by Greg Palast! The title is: Madame Butterfly Flies Off With Ballots
Florida fixed again? Absentee Ballots Go Absent.

Seems that the whole state of Florida's due for an overhaul, as the election process is hurtin! Will we trust Jeb to fix it? Excuse me until I can stop laughing!

Here is the address, click on it!

http://www.workingforchange.com


While there on workingforchange.com, visit Arianna Huffingtons column, "Special Delivery, a Hogwarts Howler to the American voter."

Has she ever turned a 360o since I first started seeing her, I would have never believed she would become a liberal, to use reason.

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Interested in Science Fiction, Science Fiction books, movies, etc? Well, go to SciFi.com :banana: :banana: :banana:

It is filled with all sorts of things, and even publish topical news stories such as the Bush Administrations cover up of dead and wounded in Iraq, also how they are no longer allowing the dead to have military memorial services, and there's even more.

They have SCIFI WEEKLY REVIEWS, etc. Downloads, etc.

Here's the address, click on it:

http://www.scifi.com

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Wow John Kerry, you like to live dangerously!

Have you heard the quote of the day?

......."As Commander in Chief, I will have two words for companies that cheat the U.S. Military. 'You're Fired.'"

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For more on the "Swift Boat" controversy, here is the official version put out by the Kerry-Edwards campaign. It seems more and more of the swift boat people have Bush family ties, or political ties to the administration, appointee's etc.

Here's the address, click on it!


http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/release/pr_2004_0907b.html

When you get to this site, type in Swift Boat and there will be responses listed.

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If you are interested in History, this is an informative site, and it deals with "Fifteen decisive Battles of the World. From Marathon to Waterloo, by Edward Shepherd. :duel

Here's the address, click on it:

http://www.standin.se/fifteen1a.htm


http://www.standin.se/fifteen02a.htm

:duel

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While looking up sieges, in conjunction with the previous post, I found this site, it is a school site, and it is called:

All Science Fair Projects

It is a Science Fair Projects Encyclopedia for Schools.

here is the address:

http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Siege

There are other areas of study, and external links as well.

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Have something that you need to vent about? Have a pet peeve that is really getting to you? Have some outrageous raging to do? Would you like to get some really bad things out of your system? Well, to get it off your chest, do some major complaining and moaning and groaning check this place out! Here is the place to go! Join up with other like minded people and get away from all the plesantness on this board. If that's your desire, then this is the place for you! :rant2: :rant2: :rant2:

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.angry.net

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Did you know that in Viet Nam the medical doctors were using super glue, which they had in gallons, to fix anything from lacerated livers to splintered bones? They were using it on just about everything, from superficial wounds, to larger gashes, and it worked wonders.

After coming home from over there, they continued to use it in their practices, as they could do things with it that would be less invasive, such as suturing up wounds, but they were told to stop by the FDA, so they did.

O.k, there is nothing to prevent you from using it to close up a wound from a kitchen knife, a glass cut, etc!

We have used it inumerable times on animals and on minor wounds on ourselves, thus avoiding stitches, much less a trip to the doctor. Burns for a second, like some topical medications do, but afterwards it seems to have numbed pain. We just make sure the wound is aligned properly, and clean before applying it. We then bandage to help prevent the glue areas from being disturbed and separated.

There are glues that they are beginning to use now in lieu of stiches, and that way there is less scarring, and the wounds heal much faster.

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Would you like to get onto a Big Band Data Base? Would you like to hear a medley of "Show Boat" tunes? Would you like to know who wrote the music? Lots and lots of links to music, writers, lyricists, etc. :tanz: :clap: :tanz: :clap: :tanz: :clap: :tanz: :clap: :tanz:

Here's the link, just click on it:

http://nfo.net

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I don't believe I ever gave you this address.It is John Pilger at coldType.net, and it is topical, humorous, irreverant, lewd??? One article had this to say,
"Never shack up with a divorced woman who is two house payments behind and swears you are the best sex she ever had."

Pilger is a top British reporter and there is an 80 page excerpt of his book, "YEAR ZERO"

There is an eight page essay on Karaoke Night in Bush's America, this is where the divorced woman quote came from, Joe Bageant's essay, this too is a download.


There is also a download of AFRICAWOMAN, so read the latest issue. It tells of what 's really happening Africa, and there are several articles, like condoms or food?, Runaway Queens of SWAziland's King Mswati, and several more items of interest. A kind of tabloid magazine or news paper, but it is said it paints a realistic picture of African women and their lives on that continent.

Here's the address, click on it:


http://www.coldtype.net

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While not at the Lighthouse, this is how, and with whom I spent my time. Well most of the time. The surfing crowd, the crew! We had the best times and the craziest times imaginable and the main players in this story about Dewey Weber were friends or aquaintances, and we were a group of people from Santa Cruz to Mexico, and the times were amazing.

Now I hear that Hollywood is going to do yet another surfing movie, and get it all wrong I would suspose, and the word is Leonardo DeCaprio is to play the part of Mickey (Miki) Dora, and how miscast is this??? Sean Penn maybe, especially since they knew one another, and is as much of an enigma as was Miki!. He is the only one capable of getting into Mickeys head, and way of thinking. This would be so miscast with Lenardo playing him as to be laughable. In the first place the look, the mannerisms are so wrong, in fact, I don't know who could play him, capture the little nuances about him. One would have had to know him to realize what it is I am saying. His dark good looks are never apparant in the photo's of him, especially the ones taken in France, but in Bruce Browns movie "Endless Summer", and other films you can sure see how it was with him.

A friend of mine, Harvey, played and beat Mickey at tennis one day, and going back to the beach, Harvey went to park the car. letting Mickey out where everyone was, he could hear Mickey yelling to everyone how he had beat "his ass." Laughing and telling them all about how he had won, and saying it in a way as to make Harvey look like a fool, yet being really funny.

I would love to see a movie about him, but I really don't see how anyone can get it right, especially if they didn't know more than I have seen that is written about him.

About Dewey again, he was embelishing quite a bit. We never had lowriders at our school, there were a few custom cars around, but not like it is sounding, nor did the older guys beat anyone up, not that I ever saw or heard of, and I never saw Dewey drink as much as he is saying. Saw quite a few others that did, however it was said in the end, that there were other things that got to him. I spent 3 days at he, and Mike Zutells house in Laguna in 1960, when we went down to the Tijuana Cinco de Mayo Bull Fights, and he was never out of it on anything. We were all drinking, we usually did, but no one was in bad shape. We tried to get him to go with us to Tijuana, but he was shaping for Velzy, and didn't want to leave Velzy hanging as they had some orders to fill. Velzy was a good friend of mine and the two of them fighting is amazing to me, as I just can't imagine Dewey doing that to Dale as he was so close to him. Amazing bit of history, and too bad it happened.

Need a lightened picture, email me and I will send it to you.
Here is the address, just click on it.

http:www.legendarysurfers.com/surf/legends/lsc210.html

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Want some rock art, California surfer art rocks?

They also do other subjects, pick what it is you want a memory made of.

Here's the address, just click it:

http://www.artrocks4u.com/artrocks/artrocks.html

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Here's a site that gives some indication of who played at the Lighthouse and gives discographies. The address for this page features the Lighthouse and Scot LeFaro.




Here's the address, click on it!


http://www.geocities.com/chuck_ralston/11slfdis-58.htm#Jazz at A. N. A.

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Here's a great site for Charlie Parker fans.

A short bio that debunks some myths about him. Glad to see more truths, as I have my own. Glad to see myths unwound and thrown out. I had said a short bio, short, however this is longer than the usual ones on the web about our jazz greats. There is also a list of essential Bird recordings, and I wish I had them all.

Check out all of the links, there are quite a few.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/Charlie%20Parker.html.

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Tired of the spin? Would you like to see it debunked, from Bush to Kerry?
Visit this site and see what it is this group of men have to say, and then there is Brendan Nyhans book: GW Bush, the Media and the Truth"

Check out SPINSANITY="COUNTERING RHETORIC WITH REASON"

Here's the address, click on it:

http://spinsanity.com

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With the advent of the web, making it easy to view other countires newspapers, it has opened our eyes to much that is going on in the world, giving us a different perspective, and then the blogs, well, they are a world of divergent information from that of importance to the wild and wacky, yet they inform a lot of the time. :clap:

No excuse to have tunnel vision when it comes to the news, to the spin. There are now locations on the web where we can find out just about anything we would like to learn about, and that is it in a nutshell! How much do we want to know? Are we satisfied with what it is politiicans tell us, or are we like a doctors patient, wanting, and needing to find and hear a second opinion, or a third, and that way sort out what is factual from the phony? :clap:

Of course there are sites out there that are just so much propaganda, but that is where you will hone your reasoning skills and stop falling for that which is been fed to you, as all of it just isn't true, or it's facts being twisted to the point of being falsehoods. There are more good sites than bad when it comes to the news and what is real, so it isn't rocket science trying to figure out the positive from the negative, childs play at times. Just spread you inquisitiveness around and it will reward you. :clap:

I just can't believe the opportunities that the web provides us, from everyday trivia to history, to the arts and to sites like this, it never ceases to amaze me. There is more and more to be involved with each day. A great and phenominal invention. Thanks Al Gore! (now go to the web to look up what it is he really meant.) :clap:

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Have a favor to ask, and hope one of you out there will now of these men.

Here's a list of musicans that a lady would like to find to talk to about her father, a former band leader.

Don Cinquemani,
Bob Mitchell,
Diz Mullins,
Roy Catos trumpet
Al Willet, alto sax
Bill Smiley, bass trombone
Shep meyers, piano
Francis James, bass
Chiz Harris, drums
Jay Migliore (sax?)

John Bowers says he can't vouch for the spellings, but these are men who were associated with Sam Trippes band. Sam Tripicchio is his real name, and his daughter is a member of this board. She goes by Angala Tripicchio. Due to her injuries sustained when her parents were killed even though it was several years ago, she nevertheless needs our help, so any help you can be will be appreciated.

Let me know if you can be of any help locating any of these men.

Thank you.

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Debates? These are preplanned, the subjects known well in advance so the answers will be canned, already decided upon, so it is just going to be more campaign rhetoric on both cadidates parts.

Here is one thing that I find disgusting. Fox reported this morning that because Kerry tends to perspire, sweat a lot, that they are going to keep the heat up where the debates are being held, as it is believed that the public doesn't like it when a presidental hopeful, or a president, sweats a lot. Manipulative even down to bodily functions! Give us a break!

Then they are saying that it is going to be womens fears of terrorism that will sway their votes as they think that GW will protect them and their children. Convoluted thinking on their parts, as the protections are going to be in place regardless of whomever is elected, and the things that the Bush-Cheney administration is doing is spawning more terrorists, making it much easier to recruit those willing to die while trying to kill us. We still, after 9/11, don't have enough protections in place here in our own country. It seems the administrations concerns were getting Haliburton and it's subsideries set up in Iraq, not setting up more Air Marshalls, and other protections available to air craft, missle protection like other countries use on theirs, saying it is too expensive, while squandering millions upon millions in Iraq. There is so much more that can be done here that the administration has fallen down on, so thinking only Bush can protect them, I feel these women are just being foolish, and it is like they have their heads in the sand, not the phrase Rich uses, however the meaning is the same.

Senator Clinton in a conference call told Andrea Mitchell, and others that the Bush administration has spent more in 4 days on the war in Iraq than they have in four years protecting our ports. Our ports are still very vulnerable, as are our airports our oil refineries, and other crucial installations all across our country. So where is the logic? Where are the protections the women (and others) in this country believe we are getting? There aren't even enough protections for our troops in Iraq, they are being killed daily, injured daily. I believe anyone could do better, and probably will if given the chance. Four years and things aren't so good with homeland protection, not as good as they could be.

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Here's a blog that I found on Yahoo News, it is written by our troops in Iraq and they are having problems being shut down, but while it is up, and it is very interesting I have to add, I will give you the address.

A totally different prospective as this is from the minds of our men and women stationed there.

Let's wish them God Speed!

Here's the blog address, just click on it!:

http://cbftw.blogspot.com/

There is also an email address for the fellow with the site. and here it is:

MYWARcbftw@gmail.com

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Here is a blog spot from a "Corpsman" from Arizona, who is in Iraq. A Girl.

Off subject here, but I know a beautiful girl with the prettiest chestnut colored hair, with olive skin, just a beauty, or was the last time I was her, and she is carrying about a sub machine gun on the docks in Iraq. Candy Bowman is her name, (I always knew her as that, but in the army, she is probably using her fathers name but I'm just not sure). Her grandfather was an old Rodeo cowboy, a "World Champion Calfroper.", his daughter was a friend, Betty Lou Bowman, another pretty girl. This is a place I wish no one had to be.

I will be listing these blog site addresses as I find them. I will probably just add them to existing posts.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://docinthebox.blogspot.com/

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I've mentioned this site here before, but thought I should give it more space. Do you want to contribute to an enclyopedia of sorts? If you can't find a favorite subject, feel free to enter your knowledge about it. Open to abuse, but an interesting site nontheless.

See the article on it on Yahoo News, it is in the article 'Wiki's' Offer Knowledge-Sharing on Line

They are also looking to raise funds to keep it free.

here's the address, just click on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org


Here is a link to their directory, just click on it:

http://www.worldwidewiki.net/wiki/SwitchWiki

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Archaeoligists and others are now believing that the priests of the Mayans and Aztecs were probably social deviates who found an accepted place in the overall scheme of things in their culture, enabling them to feed their blood lust, while being accepted and venerated. So where do Al Qaeda and the other terrorists fit into their own cultures, their own religions? Are they just sociopaths of the worst sort that have found a way to feed their blood lust? Their need for violence? A way to control others in the name of their people, in the name of their religion, just as the Aztec and Mayan priests did?

I happen to believe they are like "thrill killers", or "serial killers" with a need! I believe they too are only sociopaths with a mission, while being looked upon as saviours by misguided souls.

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A joint study by Italian and U.S. research teams has revealed children as young as 7 already have the beginnings of artery disease. This report came out on Monday.

"They found signs that the carotid arteries of 100 obese children were already becomming thick and stiff, as well as indications that the children may have a higher risk of diabetes."

"You can see vascular changes already this early in really obese children" said Dr. Maurizio Trevisan of the University at Buffalo in New York, who led the study.

"We know that obesity in childhood increases the risk of atherosclerosis and death in adulthood," he added "It is important for parents of obese children to help their children control their weight and get early treatment for these obesity-associated risk factors."

Trevisan, Dr. Archangelo Iannuzzi of Cava de' Tirreni Hospital in Salermo, Italy, and colleagues report their findings in the Octoer issue of Diabetes Care.

For their study they screened 100 children aged 6 to 14 brought to a clinic in Naples because they were overweight. They compared those children to 47 of normal weight.

On average the obese children had higher insulin resisitance- a measure of tendency to diabetes-than children of normal weight.

They also had higher blood presure and cholesterol. For instance, the obese children had an average blood pressure of 120/76, while the normal weight children had an average pressure of 98/65.

Importantly, ultrasound scans showed the obese children had thicker and stiffer carotid arteries, the researchers said. The carotid arteries carry blood to the head.

In adults, arterial thickening has been shown to be a precursor of arterial narrowing and to predict clinical coronary artery disease," said Trevisan.

An estimated 15 percent of U.S. children are overweight or obese and children in many European countries are catching up.

The study shows that obesity acts quickly to damage the arteries of children and that parents and doctors need to act quickly to protect them, the researchers said.

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I know of several overweight children here in Oregon, it seems to be such a meat and potato place, that and "Slurpies" Really, I have never seen so many overweight children, and they pick it up from their parents habits that's for sure. So unhealthy, and so many are into just lounging about on the couch, the floor, snacking and eating all day and night, and I'm not exaggarating, so how bad is that? Wish it were good for everyone, as so many people are into that lifestyle, but it's just a killer. All of my mothers slender sisters lived into their 90's and were pretty healthy all along, the ones who were overweight, well, they werent' around nearly as long, I even have a cousin who ended up with diabetes due to her diet. Too bad, such pretty ladies, each and every one, and pretty sweet too.

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There is a story on Yahoo from Reuters, one that tells of using African pouched rats to sniff out land mines. They believe this method will be more successful, and less expensive than any other method previously used, and this includes dogs, as dogs brains are more complex, therefore they are harder to train, and more expensive to keep, ten times more they say, and with the rats there is no shortage, they are numerous and easy for hunters to catch. This method isn't fail safe, but it is effective.

They even have plans to use them to detect the presence of tuberculosis in the saliva of patients, and there are plans to use them to detect smuggled drugs. This is gong to be a boon to labs and doctors in Africa, as the rats can check 150 saliva specimens in 20 minutes, far faster they say than a laboratory technician peering into a microscope who can analyze only 20 samples in a whole day.

Really interesting and somewhat amazing. Great on both counts if it all works out as planned.

Still haven't learned the method for posting articles, haven't the patience right now, will try one of these days.

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There is a small newspaper in Crawford Texas, with a weekly circulation of 425 papers, and they have thrown their support behind Kerry, this in GW's home town. The name of this publication is "Lone Star Iconoclast"


Here's their website address, just click on it:

www.iconoclast-texas.com

Here's the articles link, but there are other interesting articles in this tiny little paper!

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm

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Elections in Florida? Check out the Carter Center's recomendations and views of what is happening in Florida at this time, concerning the upcoming national election. Sounds like a plan on Jeb's part at times, it really does, reading back on the way he conducts the business of elections in his state.

Jimmy Carters foundation acts as election fairness observers in countries around the world.

Now it seems we are having observers come in to oversee our own elections! This is so amazing to me as to be overwhelming! To hear this, the country who pleads with others around the world to hold open and free elections, honest elections, and to need overseers of our own? Where are we headed? I didn't see this on the Carter site, but remember that our own elections will be monitored by outside observers. Astonishing!

Here's the web address to Jimmy Carters foundation, his center, just click on it:

http://www.cartercenter.org/default.asp?bFlash=True

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According to Moveon.org, there are companies who have refused their employee's time off to vote, an illegal practice. This year a woman in a southern state, Georgia I believe, was even fired from her factory job for refusing to remove a Kerry bumper sticker from her car. Sounds terribly illegal to me, well, she will probably be reinstated, but they will find another way to get rid of her, too easy for them to do.

For more on the voting situation and your solutions visit these addresses, just click on them:

http://www.moveon.org

http://www.timetovote.net

My screen won't allow me to view the tool bar below the script, however run your cursor over the blue bar and click on areas that allow you to, and it will enable you to open other pages, hope you can see the words on that dark ground better than I can, as nothing at all shows up for me. Wish people would realize that with some screens you just can't see things in narrow print on dark or patterned backgrounds. looks good, but if you can't see the script to access or read your page, what good is it?

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RECOGNIZING THOSE WHO SERVED

This could be the last election wehre military service in Vietnam has any political currency. But just for the record, it's worth noting who really served among the heavyweights in each of the major political parties. There are some surprises here. Did you know John Kerry received three purple hearts? Just kidding. But here's the list. Be sure to check out the bottom of the list...where the people who spend thier time jabbering about military service, (the TV Pundits) have their military credentials exposed.


DEMOCRATS:

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.

David Bonior: Staff Sgt. Air Force 1968-72.

Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969, sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in the 20th Engineer Brigade.

Bob Kerry: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69 Medal of Honor Vietnam.

Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47, Medal of HOnor, WWII.

John Kerry: Lt. Navy 1966-70, Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts.

John Edwards: did not serve

Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt. Army 1948-52, Bronze Star, Korea.

Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68, Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.

Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953.

Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67 , Naval reserve, 1968-74.

Jack Reed: Army Ranger 1971-1979, Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.

Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Broze Star and seven campaign ribbons.

Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76, Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars and Soldiers Medal.

Pete Peterson. Air Foce Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver star and legion of Merit.

Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.

Bill Mc Bride : Candidate for FLA. Governor. Marine in Vietnam, Bronze star with Combat V.

Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze star.

Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57.

Chuck Robb: Vietnam.

Howell Hefflin: Silver Star.

George McGovern: Silver Star and DFC during WWII.

Bill Clinton: Did not serve Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311.

Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.

Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953.

John Glenn: WWII and Korea, six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.

Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.

Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West POint, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star, Retired 4 Star General.

John Dingel: WWII Vet.

John conyers: Army 1950-57 Korea.




REPUBLICANS:

Dennis hastert: did not serve,

Tom Delay: did not serve.


Roy Blunt: House Whip, did not serve,

Bill Frist: did not serve.

Rudy Giulliani: did not serve.

George Pataki: Did not serve.

Mitch McConnell did not serve

Rick Santorum: did not serve.

Trent Lott: did not serve.

Dick Cheney: did not serve. several deferments, the last by marriage.

John Ashcroft: didi not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.

Jeb Bush: Did not serve.

Karl Rove: did not serve.

Saxby Chambliss: did not serve "Bad Knee" The Man Who Attacked Max Clelands's patriotism.

Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.

Vin Weber: did not serve.

Richard Perle: did not serve.

Douglas Feith: did not serve.

Eliot Abrams: did not serve.

Richard Shelby: did not serve.

Jon Kyt: did not serve.

Tim Hutchison: did not serve.

Christopher Cox: did not serve.

Newt Gingrich: did not serve.

Donald Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-1957) as an aviator and flight instructor.

George W Bush six year National Guard commitment (incomplete).

Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.

Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII

Phil Gramm,: did not serve.

John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, purple Heart, and Distinguished Flying Cross.

Bob Dole: an Honorable verteran, terribly wounded in WWII.

Chuck Hagel: two pUrple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam.

Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986.

JC Watts: did not serve.

Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.

GHW Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese.

Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam.

Antonin Scalia: did not serve.

Clarence thomas: did not serve.



PUNDITS & PREACHERS

Sean Hannity: did not serve.

Rush LImbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonical cyst').

Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.

Michael Savage: did not serve.

George Will: did not serve.

Paul Gigot: did not serve.

Bill Bennett: did not serve.

Kenneth Starr, did not serve.

Michael Medved: did not serve.



Please pass thin on to memers of your address book...so we can contemplate who has the right, and the knowledge and the experience to lead us in to war... and who has not!




This was sent to me in an email, and this is the preface to that email:

Dear Friends and Relatives:

It is interesting to note who is willing to put his life on the line for what he believes in... and who is not!!!

Here is a list of prominent Democrats, Prominent Republicans, and Prominent Pundits & Preachers... and their Service records in this regard.

Read it an weep...for your country.

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Are any of you out there on a fixed income, living in hot or very cold country?
If you are, how do you plan on making the winter? How on earth will you pay for the 50% increase in fuel costs, fuel for your heaters, for your cars? How will you afford the electricity to cool your houses in the summer? The price of food has risen tremendously, the price of rent, the price of cars, the price of clothing, everything has gone through the roof as far as prices go, and we aren't receiving cost of living increases in pay to counter-balance it all.

The cost of energy they say is doubling, and incomes are dwindling, so how are a lot of us expected to make it, those of us who are on fixed incomes? The elderly, the incapacitated, the sick? Just how are they to survive, and don't feel like Ann Rand here please, that just doesn't cut it, and never will, or there will be anarchy.

Ken Lay and they boys started the ball rolling and government is finishing it, or so it seems, this is a bad situation they are hoisting onto the American publics backs, it's a killer.

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It seems the place that Moveon.org had us call to learn your states voter leave laws is swamped, so here is a copy of a letter I just recieved from them asking us to visit another site to learn how to handle the situation:

Dear MoveON member,

Earlier today, we asked you to reach out to your employer to discuss your company's policies on time to vote on Election Day, November 2nd.

The response to this message has been overwhelming--a positive sign that so many MoveOn members are taking this matter seriously.

However, the hotlne we encouraed you to call is not the best place to learn your state's voter leave laws for employers. To make sure you know your rights, please go instead to:

http://www.timetovote.net/voter_leave_laws.html

or email

info@timetovote.net


If you feel that your employer is not respecting these laws, or if you see things happenng in your local area, that suggest that the election is not being adminstered with integrity, please call the Election Protection Toll-Free Hotline at 1-866-Our-Vote (1-866-687-8683)

But please don't call it now to find out your state's voter leave laws. For that, please refer to the website or the email address above.


Also, to find out more about Election Protection and to find your state's Voter Bill of Rights, please visit:

http://www.electionprotection2004.org

Thank you.

Sincerely

-Peter Schurman
MoveOn.org
September 28, 2004

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I stumbled across a site that has an article called 'Covert Propaganda' From Bush Administration Violates Federal Law Says FTCR; What Else They're Not Telling About New Medicare Rx Plan

This is an article from 5/20/2004, however it is saying that the non-partisan General Accou;nting Office (GAO) announced that the Bush Administration had violated Federal law by failing to disclose the source of recent advertiising abut the new Medicare prescription drug law.

This is somewhat old hat, water under the bridge, but it falls in line with the subterfuge that this administration has become known for, it goes to fact, the fact being that they manipulate and decieve in order to march right ahead with their protections and gifts to corporate America. Would be that the American public be helped 1/100rdth as much.

They are using scare tactics once again, finding out how well it works, 9/11 lessons were learned well, it has held them in good stead. They will use them ad nauseum, as they know how we have responded to fear in the past, as well as now, and this gives them a boot up, the advantage, as we haven't known this type of fear since WWII. Thank goodness we were able to overcome those fears then and work together to overcome our adversaries, and we need to be rational now, and realize that fear can often times be destructive. We can make wrong choices when making them out of played upon fears.

I went back to the site and read the restaurant reviews, and it has me wishing I lived in those cities or makes me think I will try to do some of the dishes here at home. Darn, hungry for some of the things on there, especially if someone would cook the dishes for us!

Here's the address, just click on it:


http://todaysseniorsnetwork.com/more_on_bush_suberfuge.htm

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:thewave Are Movies your Bag? If so visit this site, and see what it has to offer :thewave

Here's the address, just click on it, and wait for the access to kick in:

http://www.fast-rewind.com/

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This is a bunch of take off on the candidates, their staf, Kerry's Flip Flop Olympics, Deans scream remix, and the Specious Report, irrerevent and funny in some instances perhaps it depends upon which party you are backing but then again these sites could be funny to us all.

Here's all of the addresses, just click on them!

http://mockthevote.com

http:staffersgame.com

http://bushgame.com

http://subservientpresident.net

http://georgewbush.com/Olympics

http://www.lileks.com/bleatophany

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/indecision2004

http://thespeciousreport.com

:elephant: :deadhorse :deadhorse :elephant: :elephant: :deadhorse :deadhorse :elephant:

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"One Ringy-Dingy, Two Ringy-Dingies"

From Urban Legends and Folklore Blog.

This is just crazy, and I do wonder how many people men & women, boys & girls, are downloading this message, or is this just some sort of joke, or is he charging for this download? I'm sure not going to check it out, but how funny that someone would be doing this, and that there could possibly be people out there trying it out!

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/115377.htm?nl=1

http://urbanlegends.about.com

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I first found this site by reading Mikes post in the political thread, the Current Events thread, and thought it interesting and should include it here, as there are so many topics that are covered, one that caught my eye was about Wal Marts involvement in political lobbying and payouts.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/missing_link

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George Stephanopolus said that if you couldn't understand a word of English or if the sound had been turned down, and you had no clue as to who the president was, that last night during the debate, anyone would have thought it to be Kerry, as he conducted, and held himself in such a manner as to be in control, the one in power. George Bush blew it in the way he displayed his irritation, how he slouched, hung on the podium, and tried to look like the guy next door. a ploy that has worked so well for him these past few years, but not in a debate where he is trying to be reelected, it takes more to look presidential than how he is doing. It takes more to act and speak presidentially, it takes a better grasp of the workings of goverenment than he exhibited last night. He looked like a kid ready to run to his mama for backup. His exaspiration was obvious, it was telling.

Here's the address for you to use to see the transcript of the debate, just click on it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6146353/

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Worried about how the vote is said to not be as we had once believed? How it has been abused in the obvious ways and in more subtle ways, in ways we may or may not have heard of before?

Sign a petition to try to rectify these issues, and perhaps some good will come of it!

Sign it, and pass it on, it can only help, even if you aren't in agreement with Moveon.org

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.moveonpac.org/suppression/

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Here is a site on Newsday.com, that deals with a surfers outlook on the upcoming election, and he is not for either candidate, read what he has to say on the following link.

You will have to go to the "National Page" and click on thier names. It is a story by two reporters traveling the country getting opinions about the upcoming elections, this story is from Santa Cruz, where three of my oldest best friends live, and surf, they have a surfboard manufacturing business and surf everyday the wat er is right still loving every minute of it, they also have a web site, I'll post it one of these days. I met the fellow who owns the land most of the windmills are on at cattle shows, he is a descendent of a Spanish family and the land is Spanish Land grant land. thousands of acres, and we had an invitation to go and visit, but never had the chance to, but that would have been great. A very nice personable man. He said it was the first time he ever made money from the property, but he was ordered to stop puting in any more, and I noticed the last time by them, that they weren't all in working order, I guess the state couldn't afford to keep buying the power, and that is the reason for the halt to any more installations.

There are articles in print, audio and video for you to see.

There other stories are from Everett Washington, Clark County, Nevada, and Dilkon, Ariziona. The reporter and photographer are, Stephanie McCrummen and Jiro Ose.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny/us-road0923,0,1646733.story?coll=ny-nation-utility


While here on this site, click on the World News page and see the involvement of Henry Kissinger in stiffling attempts by lower level staffers to advance programs to insure human rights in South American countries, it is appalling, and he can no longer deny his having done so, or so it seems.

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Just a question!

Why is it that video's don't work worth a darn on computers, why can't they come in as well as on a regular television? We're are on dial up so that contributes to the poor quality, but I think it is probably poor on any setup. I thought that phone line technology was susposed to be the wave of the future with television programs, or it was at one time not too many years back, so what's happened? I would think that we should be able to receive decent smooth video's on our sets! I tried to watch the video in the previous news story, and it was black, and it was choppy and garbled. Not worth the effort, not of mine and not of the reporters as it wasn't long enough or informative enough to warrant any sort of viewing, and why they would even put such a short video of no import on the web, I don't understand.

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Check out the surfing legends on this site and check out my good friends Johnny and Rosemari (Russell) Rice. We all grew up together and this is the girl who had the school girl crush on Art Pepper, the girl with beautiful blue eyes, and the longest blond hair, well past her waist. We both had long hair which we both wore in ponytails, upswept or preferably, a single braid.

Rosemari started surfing when I knew her, and she still surfs almost every day at Santa Cruz in Northern California. Weather permitting, but no more swimsuits she says, as the water in Santa Cruz is like ice, so it is wet suits and booties.

This group of surfers were the ones we all knew or ran with, not the younger ones in the 80's, 90's 00's, but from the 50's, 60's and into some of the 70's, but Rosemari and Johnny are still into it and know the young crowd, however I live in the high desert, so knowing them is not happening.
Rosemari Rice,
Johnny Rice
Dale Velzy
Corky Carroll: I used to have to sit on his board to keep him out of the water when he would get really exhausted, as Pu my Hawaiian friend would yell at me, "San San, sit on his board, don't let him have it, he's going to drown he's so tired!" He really would be, but he wanted back in the water something fierce, and it was all we could do to keep him out of it, and he was only about 8 years old, but stubborn, there was no reasoning with him.
Corky did a lot of commercials later on as a teen and as an adult, but haven't seen him on television in a long long time. It was fun seeing how he was growing up, as I lived so far away and that was the only time I got to see anyone any more was on television. Lots of others there that I've talked about before.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.blackmagic.com/ses/surf/papers/home.html

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This is an odd site, one by a surfer, on an odd quest, and it becomes more involved as it goes along. From security to south of the border.

I have to highlight it to read the text , or enlarge it, and on some of the photo's I'm saving them to lighten and see later.

Interesting!

Here's the name of the site

Allan Weisbecker.com

Here's an address, go to the Search for Captain Zero photo tour to see the story and slide show.


http://www.aweisbecker.com

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For film buffs, here is a site that has "FILMS SELECTED TO THE NATIONAL FILM REGISTRY, LIBRARY OF CONGRESS _ 2002"


It is naming 25 more films to the National Film Registry. This is interesing as it also includes documentries

"The list is designed to reflect the full breadth and diversity of America's film heritage, thus increasing public awareness of the richness of American cinema and the need for it's preservation."

"This years selections span the 20th century from 1901 to 1991, and encompass films ranging from Hollywood classics to lesser-known, but still vital, works.

Bruce Browns movie "Endless Summer" is a selection that is described like this
"Bruce Browns droll documentary of two surfers and their 4 seasons, around-the-world quest for 'The Perfect Wave', the film made millions despite an unorthodox distribution strategy".

This is a fellow I knew from the late 1950's and there is no one nicer. He helped my girlfriend, my dog and me out big time during one spring break in Laguna Beach, without him, I don't know how we would have made it.

Spring break in Laguna was a surfers party that went on for at least two weeks, and it was fun, Chris Christopherson was there and sang with the Stubs brothers, two locals, and they were great to listen to, and I never figured out why they didn't go on like Chris did. The talent was there. Laguna Beach wasn't the wild scene that happens in Florida, but a good place to have a terrific time. wild enough but the dangers just weren't there like the places the kids flock to today, and then there is the fact that we all drank, but not the binge drinking that kills, Drugs hadn't hit the scene big time either, so there was little if any of that, not in Laguna with the suring crowd, now they say there's a haze surronding the kids out in the water in Malibu, and elsewhere, but back then, there were only a few that were into pot, it just wasn't the big happening that it is today.

Glad to have seen Bruce have the successes he has had, he is deserving, and it was fun knowing him.

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It has happened that the man who campaigned on bringing the country together, promising to bring the government into a better more friendly place has and is, ripping this country apart. We have started fighting with one another, and it is getting worse. Remember Bush's promises? He promised so much, so much. He promised to be a concilitator? A compasionate conservative? Forget about how many he let be executed in Texas, ( a sarcasm) they are gone and we can't bring them back; just look at the havoc he is causing around the globe, and right here in our own country! Look at the outcome right here at home! We're now fighting with one another, grandmothers calling other soldiers loved ones traitors because they are working to end this fiasco trying to bring their loved ones home.

Who is in the wrong here, the people who started this crazy war, or the ones trying to get the administration to stop it? I think traitor is too harsh a word for those who work for peace, for those who are against war, not wanting their loved ones or anyone elses to die. They are heartsick over the situation the soldiers are in. They are worried sick for their sons, brothers, sisters, husbands, fathers and friends their daughters, sisters, and mothers. It this wrong to not want them over there fighting a war predicated on a lie, several lies?

We'd all like to know who is more to blame, the ones who wish for, and start wars, or the ones who are tired of the lies, tired of the suffering and tired of our best dying.

I have been taught all my life not to use the word "LIE", however in this case it seems to be the only word that fits, it is that damning!

Tonight on PBS there were some heartbreaking stories being told, and there were those calling our own people who are speaking out against the war, "traitors", A "grandmother" calling others "traitors" for speaking out against the war! She was saying it gave the enemy comfort, gave them reason to continue fighting. She believes they are weakening our stance. No! I disagree with her and the others in their reasoning, the reason being is this; as long as we are there in "their country", they have enough reason to fight us, and they will continue to fight us. This is the point, they don't want us there, not after the abuses, the stupid abuses that have taken place, the loss of innocents, the loss of dignity, the loss of so much. These are people who are continuing to suffer because of our ineptitude. Sure they're glad to be rid of Saddam, but their lot didn't really improve to suit them, we did too many things wrong, foolishly wrong. They are suffereing more from terrorism, just as we are. This is what has given them more than enough reason to try to rid "their country" of us. We are invaders and occupiers, we went in for profits, not some lofty democratic goal, and the Iraqi's know it. Well, if that happened, that would have been a plus for the adminstration, but that wasn't the primary reason for our having invaded, no, it was for profit, profits that are now going up in smoke and being lost with every drop of blood that is spilled in our name.

Pififul! We have turned into our own enemy. We have become what we preach against around the world, a "strong arm bully". It has become so obvious. Our actions are so overt, so blatant, that it is obvious to even us, we the American public whom the powers that be have kept in the dark for so long, we are finally seeing the light. Will it do us any good, will we insist on change, will we make sure that our government never uses our men and women in such a way again? We will gladly defend our country, we have sacrificed in the past to do it, and we will do it again, we are even doing it now for a lie, and how terrible is this? How wrong is this? No one should have to do this for the reasons why we are in Iraq. No one.

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MT. SAINT HELENS is blowing it's top once again, and today the reports say that the dome inside the crater has grown 150 feet. They are expecting another eruption at any time. We are just out of it's view, we can however see Mt. Hood, and Mt. Jefferson, and the butte behind us, which we are on it's bottom slope has been being monitored since the first eruption back in 1980. We do have hot water wells in our area, and it has caused some concern. There is a mountain very neer to us in the Three Sisters Mountains that is growing each and ever day, and a huge wide bulge has scientists worried.

We had ash from MT. Saint Hellens when it erupted back in 1980, but not as severly as areas N.E. of here and East of here. We had our cattle back then and one day we went out, and we couldn't see any of our cows, and then one of them came into view, just about 6 or so inches of her back. She was almost a foot taller than our other cattle so that is how we knew where they were, ash had caused our pastures to grow overnight so tall, that the day before we could see them easily, the next day the only one we could see was Babe. We didn't even have to fertalize that year, and we thought it would carry over, but it didn't, it was a one time shot. Too bad, as even with commercial fertilizer it didn't even come close to that good of growth. Now we wish we had had a soil test, wish we had called the college's and had them studied it, as none of our neighbors or any other people we know had their fields do that, so it must have just layed down something different here, a little pocket of something special, or more concentrated. It doesn't make sense to travel that far and only cause our ranch to be benefited.

Anyway there was one fellow who got on a bus near the volcano, Vancoover, Yakima, or one of the nearby towns, he then held the driver at gunpoint and told him to drive until we get out of this dammed ash. It was scaring him to death, it is funny to hear, but it was total darkness in the middle of the day, and it was making cars not run, and it was making it terribly difficult to breathe. The authorities said they weren't going to issue an arrest warrant on him, or even look for him, as they could totally understand his mental state, and fear, as they all felt the same way.

Go back to post 93 to find the site that reports on Volcano's around the world, it is an interesting place to visit.

POST 93 :elephant:

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Rodger Ailes must be getting senile in his old age, as this time he has crossed the line from "well maybe Fox is right this", to us believing "they have lost their ever loving minds".

I suspose if they plant suspicion often enough it will become fact in some peoples minds, as they are like I've said before, believing what they want to believe, and by the time the person who is all too willing to believe the spin sees the truth as it actually is, they still will harbor the thoughts that were planted there by the likes of Roger Ailes, and Karl Rove.

Amazing!

This time, surely this is so far over the top that not even the most gullible, the most politically biased will not be able to believe these slams, these laughable smears. Stupidity in the extreme.

This man who wrote this tripe is he all there? Or has he learned that the seeds of doubt are as strong as that of the mustard seed in bibical proverbs?

Here is a copy of what I received in my email today from Moveon.org

Dear MoveOn member,

Fox NEws has hit a new low. They've gone from spinning stories to fabricating them outright. On Friday, Fox ran a story by chief political correspondent Carl Cameron with phony quotiations from John Kerry. The bogus lines speak for themselves:

..........."Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!"

..........."Women should like me! I do manicures."

..........."I'm metrosexual - he's a cowboy." the Democratic candidate said of
...........himself and his opponent. A "metrosexual" is defined as an urbane
...........male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time
...........and money on his appearance and lifestyle.{1}

Incredibly, Fox insists the sham story was a good humored mistake due to "fatigue." While a Fox staff memo called this "a dismissable offense," the network has failed to take any serious action. {2}

Carl Cameron's bias in this election is clear. Roger Ailes, the CEO of Fox News must fire him.

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Rodger Ailes must be getting senile in his old age, as this time he has crossed the line from "Maybe Fox is right!", to us thinking "Have they lost their ever loving minds?".

I suspose if they plant suspicion often enough it will become fact in some peoples minds. It's as I've said before, they're believing what they want to believe, so much so, that by the time the person who is all too willing to believe the spin sees the truth as it actually is, they still will harbor the thoughts that were planted there by the likes of Roger Ailes, and Karl Rove.

Amazing!

This time, surely this is so far over the top that not even the most gullible, the most politically biased will not be able to believe these slams, these laughable smears. Stupidity in the extreme.

This man who wrote this tripe is he all there? Or has he learned that the seeds of doubt are as strong as that of the mustard seed in bibical proverbs?

Here is a copy of what I received in my email today from Moveon.org:

Dear MoveOn member,

Fox News has hit a new low. They've gone from spinning stories to fabricating them outright. On Friday, Fox ran a story by chief political correspondent Carl Cameron with phony quotiations from John Kerry. The bogus lines speak for themselves:

..........."Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!"

..........."Women should like me! I do manicures."

..........."I'm metrosexual - he's a cowboy." the Democratic candidate said of
...........himself and his opponent. A "metrosexual" is defined as an urbane
...........male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time
...........and money on his appearance and lifestyle.{1}

Incredibly, Fox insists the sham story was a good humored mistake due to "fatigue." While a Fox staff memo called this "a dismissable offense," the network has failed to take any serious action. {2}

Carl Cameron's bias in this election is clear. Roger Ailes, the CEO of Fox News must fire him.

Roger Ailes
(212) 301-3000

In Outfoxed, Carl Cameron was caught on tape fawning over then-Governor Bush before an exclusive interview during the 2000 campaign. Cameron ragged to candidate Bush that his wife had been hanging out with Bush's sisiter on the campaign trail. Roger Ailes did nothing.

Now Cameron counterfeits quotes to make Kerry apear affete and decadent. Again, Ailes does nothing.

Roger Ailes' inaction comes as no surprise to those familiar whth his background. Before launching Fox News. Ailes built his career as a media shark for Republican presidential candidates. His dirty tricks helped put Nixon, Reagan and the elder Bush in the White House. It's time for Ailes " to call of his attack dogs.

Demand Roger ailes fire Carl Cameron for politically -biased reporting.

Roger Ailes
(212) 301-3000

Thank you, for all that you do.


Sincerely
-Noah T. Winer
MoveON.org
Tuesday, October 4th, 2004

Sources:

{1} http://tinyurl.com/4d5y5

(2) http://www.moveon.org/r?r=577

Not sure what firing the man will do, as Ailes will just replace him with another man or woman capable of the same.

Bret Hume and Bill Kristol are not exactly what one would call reasonable when it comes to presenting view points concerning any of the democrats, especially when it comes to Democrats election opposition to their boy Bush. Have you heard or read what Brit Hume has said about the Swift Boats controversy? Either he is in total denial, or he is the biggest provaricator on the tube! Bill Kristol among other things aped Humes take on the Swift Boats himself, leaving Mark Shields mouth agape.

After having watched them on Fox, and on PBS (in the case of Kristol) I have learned to take what they are saying with a grain of salt, as they are so extremely biased as to sound foolish at times, and these are men who should know better. Education flies out the window when it comes to their blindly endorsing almost all of what the Bush-Cheney administration is doing. You know they are bright, well spoken intelligent men who have a terrific education under their belts, and that they have a wealth of experience. So where is their thought process? It seems to have abandoned them in some cases. Flown out the window in search of WMD's? Are they, like the administration afraid to admit that they too have made mistakes just like Bush, Cheney and their entire cabinet?

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This is an interesting site, called "Talking Points Memo" by Johsua Mica Marshall.

He is a writer living in Washington DC. He is a contributing Writer for the Washington Monthly and a columnist for The Hill. His articles on politics, culture and foreign affairs have also appeared in The American Prospect, The Atlantic Monthly, The Boston Gloobe, The Financial Times, The Los Angeles Times, the New Republic, The New Yorker, The New York Post, the New York Times, Salon, Slate, and other publications. He has appeared on Crossfire, (CNN), Hannity and Colmes (FOX), Hardball (MSNBC), Late EDition (CNN), Newsnight with Aaron Brown (CNN), O"Reilley Factor (FOX), Reliable Sources (CNN), Rivera LIve (CNBC), Washington Journal (C-SPAN), and talk radio shows across the United States. He has a bachelors degree from Princeton University and a doctorate in American history from Brown University.

Read his take on troop numbers in Iraq for one. He writes simply, and consise, with humor, and with an insite that others might hope for.

Here's the address, just click on it: :welcome: :guitar: :welcome:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

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I found this site on the previous web page, and it is the NDN, and this is how they describe themselves.

ABOUT NDN: NDN is a leading issue advocacy organization fighting to restore the promise of America. It's initiatives include their Promise Campaign for one. :clap: :thewave :clap:

Click on the link below to access the site.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.newdem.org/

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Check out the Century Foundation Organization site,

Dead beat dads, Dads stretched thin, the Military stretched thin, their crisis, a "Reality Check" Series.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.tcf.org

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On Chris A's thread "The 2004 Debate" there is a mention of the aluminum tubes being purchased by Iraq, and the administration insisting they had no other use other then for nuculer applications. That, as we know, is just not true. I've read where these very same pipes are used in dairy's around the world, if I'm to believe the story I read when knowledge of these pipes and the administrations explaination of them was made public. Stories came out refuting those claims, almost laughing at them, the authors believing the American public would never believe that far fetched explanation of their uses by Bush, Cheney and their cabinet.

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No surprise from Cheney, pretty unflappable as he has that stance down pat, he already looks cynical or angry, even when he has that wry smile on his face, and it has kept him in the drivers seat for years. Take your pick as to what he was projecting, as he had it all down before the debate, his three ways of looking. He had his game face on before the debates were even an idea in their promoters heads, and before they ever started, and it was the same throughout, a hard man to read. Such a huge difference between he and GW. He has learned how to appear in all situations over the years. Remember he was the head of a mega corporation, and he has been in rooms with just as tough and just as competent people as Edwards. Ones who would like to replace him as much as Edwards, so he has it down, he has learned how to project a game face in all sorts of situations, and he does it each and every time we see him.

Had to tape part of it, so will have to watch it later, but from the parts I saw it was pretty even, and the questions being answered well were pretty even, but I did hear Cheney make a mistake on the Iraqi, Al Qaeda involvement with 9/11, and then when Edwards pinned him on voting against head start, meals on wheels, and the problems about him voting against Martin Luther Kings' holiday, and against Mandela, I thought that was a zinger for Edwards, but there isn't enough time to rebut on some issues, so much went unanswered and unsaid. I guess Edwards made a mistake on the money being spent, a misquote on the money expended in the war, but it is still astronomical, regardless of the amount. Boy, you do have to say, even though Cheney did get a little angry or so it seems, he is pretty smooth. He's had to be to hold the position in the corporate world that he does. Still can't have my vote however. Not if he were to win the debate ten times, it is his policies that are losing my vote, not his appearance, even with his smoothness his unflappable demeanor, there is no way in this world that I will agree with the direction this administration has, and is taking this country.

From what I saw if you were a Repubican you would think that Cheney said and did all you wanted him to, and if you were a Democrat the same with Edwards, it all comes down to your beliefs and how you think government should function, how it should govern. I'm for the idiology of the Democratic party, and that is how I saw the debate. I saw it as vindication for my beliefs, it was Edwards ideology that I believe in, not Cheney's.

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Here is a blog that is interesting and informative, and yes it can also be controversial.


Here's an excerpt:

Give Me but one firm spot on which to stand--

Swiftly kicked pants for morale unite! Me, I'm still trying to scrape something together, os it's a good thing. Dylan's on the ball. Here's the sweet spot:

Robyn commented afterward taht the strange thing about this campaign is the easy you pay attention to it, the more you somehow assume it's doing badly, that Kerry is a popsicle stick, that somehow everybody really does just buy into the blatantly painful things this administration has bungled in the past four years.

And then everytime you actually stop to consider it, to actually listen to the guy, you go:

Who the hell was it said we were down on the mat? Screw this Curse of the Bambino mindset, I don't want to wait till next year.

I want to hear the words President John Kerry was sworn into office today. I want this country to rejoin the planet Earth. I want national forests and fuel alternatives and united allies, and godamned better health care than this corporate bleeding machine we have now.

I want terrorism to decrease because we're aiding the Middle East instead of exploiting it. I want AIDS funding worldwide, I want couples, no matter what their chromosome tally, to be able to raise children, and own houses, and go to work without being terrified it will all be taken away.

I want to stop seeing blocks of red and blue. I want a conservative party whose causes I respect wtih freedom to dissent, I want a liberal party not afraid to be exactly that, and I want moderates to bridge the gap, and small parties to give us all a good sock in the nose now and then.

I want American kids to be taught to eat good food, I want schoolteachers to be paid like doctors instead of like dishwahahers, I want a strong and able military but one which no longer cancersusly devours billions of unnecessary dollars.

I want women to keep thier hard choices about childbearing between themselves, their doctor, and their own conscience. I want my library record to be between me and my librarian, I want a working class that doesn't sell itself out to culture war charlatans in fear, I want solid jobs that are for the good of America and not the board of executives.

Read the rest. Then go! Move the world. :yeahthat: :thewave :yeahthat:

Another thing that I noticed and find terribly disturbing and then think of this and this is just one instance of this administration putting forth legislation that will help the coal producing states and party members in those states, but is such a filthy dirty energy source that it endangers all of us in the long run, and here is one place that is hurting tremendously from enviromental practices from all over the globe, and it is the Great Barrier Reef. Here is another excerpt from this site:

.....A new report warns that rising ocean temperatures will kill most of the coral on the Great Barrier Reef by 2050, and official said Sunday.

.....This report by Queensland University's Center for Marine Studies said the Pacific Ocean is getting too warm too fast for the survival of the world's largest chain of living coral...

....."Coral cover will decrease to less than 5 percent on most reefs by the middle of the century, under the most favorable assumptions," said the study, excerpts of which were published in the weekend edition of the Sydney Morning Herald.

There are even talks of "global cow farts" having an effect. :shrug: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shrug:


It is Whiskey Bar: Free Thinking in a Dirty Glass

It has it's 'Profiles in Courage', the 'Main' page, and 'My Country 'Tis of Thee'

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://billmon.org/

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An Alternative News Site is how this site is described. It originates in Cleveland Ohio, and it has interesting links, political and entertainment sites, etc.

This isn't pro Kerry, anti Bush in all articles, but there are pros and cons through out, there are articles praising and condeming both of these men, and there are articles about several other subjects, comedians, Ann Coulter, Kitty Kelly, Karl Rove. Varied and topical.

Here's the address for the site and the page I have up. Just click on it:

http://swiftboatvets.newstrove.com/

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I'm asking you to return to this blog once again, and again, I had to highlight the script, as it is too dark on my monitor.

This entry is by a British soldier and is beautifully written, and should be seen by all in my opinion. Knute Lombatton is the author of this heartfelt letter. It is called "In Service to the Queen." It was written on September 28, 2004.

Here's the address once again, just click on it:

http://cbftw.blogspot.com/

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Here's a discussion on the latest Presidential Debate, and it is coming down on Bush for his anger, etc. It also goes into some of Kerry's accomplishments that little is known about.

A different take than I expected.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.dailykos.com/

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Here is an article about John Kerry, and his reaction on the morning of September 11, 2001.

It is titled "Kerry's Undeclared War" It is a New York Times article. You may have to log in to read it, however there may be a way to have you see it without a log in, I'll check.............I found this article on the previous posted site, so go to it from there, as there is no log in for it if you link up there. Go to the post, "What Does John Kerry Really think About The WoT?

This is from an article in the NY Times magazine and is lengthy, and from the short bit I've read, sounds very interesting, and revealatory, opening up John Kerry's character for us to see.

I have had time to read the whole article now, and this is the impression I have of it, it weaves back and forth.

It seems to me that the author has let his own post 9/11 trepidations color his understanding of Kerry, and he seems to vascillate back and forth, pro and con, on both he and Bush. Not unlike many voters.

After 20 years in the senate, I do understand how it is that Kerry would belive a reporter would perhaps be looking for fault, for something, or someone to tear into and tear down, as that seems to be the way of the world when you are in public life, whether it's in Hollywood or on Capital Hill.

It seems that Kerry is hard for many to understand while they think they know other politicians and they think they know GW Bush. I just feel I know all I can bear to know about Bush, I don't want to learn anymore about him, as what I have learned is so dissappointing, so ludicrous, so frightening, that if there's more to learn about him I would prefer it to be how he spends his days and nights after vacating the White House. I don't want to learn of some new law, some new policy that we will regret, that will cost us dearly as most of his policies, the ones he and his party have instituted have already cost us. Four more years could be disasterous, just tragic. If he stacks the supreme court even more, well, it could turn into an even worse nightmare. So, I hope to hear he spends his days and nights out of politics, not having any further influence, and this includes his cabinet and his spinners. We never want to see their likes again. We know what this administration is like, so I am hoping that John Kerry's will surprise me with brilliance, surprise me with competance, with fairness, with an all around patriotic view of how government should function, not as a corporate tool, but a government for the people not the special interests that have been in control for so long.

Here's the address, just click on it!

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/magazine/10KERRY.html?oref=login

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Here's the story about Staff Sgt. Kevin Maries of Salem Oregon, as published in "The Oregonian." It has to do with the torture and beatings observed by him, that were being commitied by the Iraqi's guards at Abu Ghraib Prison, so it is factual that the abuses are still happening, just in a different guise, or without the sexual humiliation as far as we know, but the beatings are continuing.

The article is "Abuse by Iraqis 'astonished' guardsman by Mike Francis.
The number of the story is 1097323620152040.xml

Here's the address to the Site and the story, just click on it:

http://www.oregonlive.com/

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orgonian/index.ssl?/base/front_page/1097323620152040.xml

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Did you know that back in the late 70's and early 80's there were restaurants in Portland Oregon that had mushrooms, the hallucinary ones, on their menu? They had chalk boards out front with their menus posted. This is another thing my own brother doesn't believe when I tell him of it. Now it is illegal, but back then it wasn't and people sure took advantage of that little hole in the law.

We had a freind who had a pasture just across the Columbia River from Portland, and the kids were in his pastures in droves before going to school, there would be over 100 of them at a time, climbing his fences or going through his fences picking them, untill he decided that he would pick them himself and sell them. That ended his fences being torn down, his cattle getting out on the road, and helped suppliment his income every year. :shrug: :lol: :shrug:

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Bill Moyers program tonight is going into how the Republicans, starting with Nixon, developed a campaign to stymie John Kerry, and the Bush's continued it according to all I've read, and heard on PBS, in magazines and on the web. They have had a campaign of disinformation out against him since time one.
They were. Halderman and Nixon, comparing him to Kennedy, and were afraid he would become another Ralph Nader, fighting for causes; causes which the GOP were so against. So here we are today with the same sort of dirty dealings going on. It has been handed down hasn't it?

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Greg Palast is having his movie premiered in New York and is selling tickets to it and to the big party that is being thrown to celebrate the event via email.

I posted it in it's own thread, so if any of you are interested, go to the Current Events thread and find the invite to Greg Palasts party. $40.00 per couple, or $25.00 for a single ticket, and they are selling on the internet, so to make sure you won't be turned away, buy a ticket now, as at the door tickets may run out. It sounds like an informative, entertaining, & fun event. Probably not enough to counter balance Sinclairs abuse of our public airwaves but it could be interesting. :banana: :banana: :thewave :thewave :banana: :banana: :banana:

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This from one of Hitlers henchmen is holding so true today, and the public is still ripe for such propaganda, and deception, and people are still painting those that question with the same broad brush.

Here's the site one more time. I posted it earlier but I believe it deserves a fresh new look, and how timely this quote is, even though it came from one regarded as a monster, one who fell into step, one who knew how to have others fall in and rush to infamy. :shrug: :tearhair: :tearhair: :tearhair: :shrug: :

Here's the address, just click on it:

www.mlahanas.de/Privat/quotations.htm.

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Where is EminemsRevenge?

Was he vaporized, or did he take on another form?

I thought I would visit his home page on Xanga using AAJ's member list, but it seems he's out of here, just couldn't find him , too bad, as some of his writings are provocative and interesting, not always what I might agree with, but then more often than not he has a point, and it is the way he makes it that is so unusual and so in your face, but there's nothing wrong with that, it is making the point that is the goal, and he does that, (no racial pun intended) in spades! He throws out the bait dog, and people do bite. :shrug: :shrug: :violin :violin :violin :shrug :shrug: :shrug:

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Have a favor to ask, and hope one of you out there will now of these men.

Here's a list of musicans that a lady would like to find to talk to about her father, a former band leader.

Don Cinquemani,
Bob Mitchell,
Diz Mullins,
Roy Catos trumpet
Al Willet, alto sax
Bill Smiley, bass trombone
Shep meyers, piano
Francis James, bass
Chiz Harris, drums
Jay Migliore (sax?)

John Bowers says he can't vouch for the spellings, but these are men who were associated with Sam Trippes band. Sam Tripicchio is his real name, and his daughter is a member of this board. She goes by Angala Tripicchio. Due to her injuries sustained when her parents were killed even though it was several years ago, she nevertheless needs our help, so any help you can be will be appreciated.

Let me know if you can be of any help locating any of these men.

Thank you.

We have found some of these men, the musicians who were in her fathers band and she is trying to put on a reunion with the remaining members, which they are all planning on at this time. She is wanting me to come down to it. It will be next spring or summer, if all goes as planned.

She has sent me a copy of her fathers music with his last band, the one with these men, and I really do enjoy hearing it, a cross between swing and jazz, and it is fun to hear, "Explosion" is the name of the record, and I really enjoyed the solo's as well.

Such a tragedy! One which she is still effected by, physically and emotionally. How hard to have such a thing happen, leaving these children orphaned, and then the state taking all of the money that Stan Kenton and others raised at a big benefit for them at the Pallaidum in Southern California. It was to be for the surviving children, held in trust until they were 21, but it was confiscated by the state, and then there were and are the musical royalites, she gets none of those either.

Something is rotten in Peoria. :frown2: :confused2 :confused2 :frown2:

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The Washington Times is reporting that "U.S. Security officials are investigating a recent intelligence report that a group of 25 Chechen terrorists illegally entered the United States from Mixico in July."

See this article and other interesting topical stories on this site, along with the video of the "Carlyle Group:Shocking Documentary uncovers the subversion of Americas democracy." :secret

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

Here is the address for the Carlyle Group Video, just click on it:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm

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Almost forgot, catch the story on the device seen under the back of GW's suit jacket, between his shoulderblades, a little square device bulging out and being seen clearly in photo's from a debate one in which he was standing at a podium. Check the previous post site,

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/

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While here check out this it is purported to be a factual story of Dick Cheney's vision of America.

You are able to follow his ascent to power, Secretary of Defense - Halliburton Years - Mr. Vice President.

From football star in Casper Wyoming, to Vice President, this is an interesting tape.

Reported with a modicum of sarcasm in the moderators voice.

Here's the whole address, even though it is part of the previous post's web site. Just click on it:

http://www.infomationclearinghouse.info/1018.htm

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Here is another official site, one dedicated to the release of new information regarding troops, etc. There is an email address, however this page doesn't give a way to update. Perhaps there is one if one would write, or maybe you need press credentials to access their releases????

Here's the address, just click on it. This is a governtment release from: Headquarter United States Central Command


http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/Casualty_Report.asp?CasualtyReport=20041015.txt

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Here's a letter I received from a person who is blogging.

"My kind of loyalty was to one's country, not to its institutions, or it's officeholders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing, it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to, institutions are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. Mark Twain

What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment....inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose. Thomas Jefferson




emailtom@cox.net

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Furl.net advertises itself as your personal web site and says it is free, a place to permanantly store your documents etc, however I can't find the pages I first noticed on this site, so ???? Is this a good site or not?

I have tried to enter these sites and they are closed, and I am wondering if it is because of their nature, their subject matter or if the government has shut them down.




Here's one of the pages I was trying to find. Frauds-R-Us Just click on it, and maybe it's here, maybe not.


http://www.furl.net/forwardjsp?id=1028843

or later change to the following number to read a different story. Propaganda, or fact? It is about the Bush family, etc. Change to this: 2028830

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Woah! This site is has a wealth of information on the administration and the men in it.

Here is an article about what is believed to be the real reason for the war in Iraq.

One expert, Donald Kagan, says of us, the U.S., "We're Gary Cooper"


Here's the address, just click on it:

This is on the previous site, Information Clearing house and it is titled:
The Presidents Real Goal In Iraq, by Jay Bookman an editorial editor with the Alanta Journal - Constitution.

Lofty goals and ideals? I just think they are wrong, but from what I hear from avid Bush-Cheney supporters, they believe this is our right, our destiny. Go figure!


http://.207.44.245.159/article2319.htm

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It's like all of these articles are being written by nut cases. But this isn't so, these are respected journalists and experts in their field. I am finding it amazing that so many well respected scholars, teachers, journalists and business leaders would all be in agreement as to what is happening in the GOP, especially within the Bush - Cheney administration This is taking my mind in circles to find that these men of respect, of highly respected scholarship, of highly respected beliefs, think as they do about this administration. We have joined their ranks or they ours! Whatever! We have like minded beliefs when it comes to how this administration is taking us towards a future that might not be how any of us ever pervieved we would head. It isn't anything I ever envisioned or imagined that this country would want, that our leaders would ever want such. I don't want this, and I don't believe hardly anyone else in this country does either. What a sad mess!

Having read much of what is on the previous posts, and then some, it is all the more reason to get these people out of office. We don't want the new world order they are foisting on us, and on the rest of the world. It's just insane for them to even contemplate such as these articles are saying they're wanting to do, and already have in the works by all accounts. It just can't happen. It would be too much to handle. It's too much to think that every country will fall into step. It just can't happen. They surely must realize this? But according to these artricles, they don't see the problem at all.

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While on the Information Clearing House site, look up "Fraud R Us." The Bush Family Saga

It will totally amaze you as to the Bush involvement in government, and any number of businesses around the world, and there are tales of Nepotism, and of planned profits in Learning by the Bush brother, the one who destroyed peoples lives with the Silverado incident.

A quote from here is "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you have to focus on"---GW Bush


Part One. Article 3255

Part Two. Article 3308

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This has been one of my favorite sites.

I haven't received an email from him in quite a while so was surprised to find two in my mail box today.

The name of this site is NextDraft, it has always been Dave's Next Draft, here are his addresses:

http://www.nextdraft.com/points/culture/wall.html

dave@nextdraft.com

http://www.nextdraft.com

Subscribe at the second address.

Howard Stern: lIfe without the Envelope:

http://www.davenetics.com/2004/10/life-without-envelope.html

Check out splendora.com once you find his site, this is his wifes I believe:

splendora.com

Check out PICTURE OF THE WEEK:

http://www.nextdraft.com/gtp/tennisgtp.html

Then there is this, Electablog* Campaign News with all the Carbs:

http://www.electablog.com/


There's more, but this should do, there will be other links once you go there.

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The Dubya Report: Family Affair the Bush and the Bin Ladens. t

This is drawing a lot of interest, and there are other links that are also pretty topical.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html

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Here's a site in total opposition to my beliefs. It seems so wrapped in bias and propaganda that it should also be looked at. The articles on this site seem to me to be hysterical in nature, not a calm rational objective view. This is how I see this site. Remember Newt Gingrich's campaign to rid us of PBS because they presented so many opposite view points? Ones against the Republicans in office? Can't possibly allow a publically funded program to have independent views can we? His way of thinking? If we had this type of thinking in more of our politicians (which is happening more and more) how would we ever have a fair and balanced society? It does help to know how all sides think and believe, and this way we know what and how to combat what it is they would have us do if they were to try to have their way.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/4th_estate/4th_estate.htm

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This came to me in an email today, and the sender qualified their affilliation, their political afilliation saying:

Personally I am a Repubican - but just had to pass this on.


Sing the Following to the Tune of "The Beverly Hillbillies"

Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy named Bush.
His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush.
He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about.
But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out
DUI, that is Criminal record. Cover-up.


Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale.
He can't spell his name but they never let him fail.
He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk.
And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke.
Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy.

The next thing you know there's a war in Vietman.
Kin folks say, "George, stay at home with Mom."
Let the common people get maimed and scarred.
We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard.
Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy.
Twenty years later George gets a little bored.

He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord.
He said, "Now the White House is the place I wanna be."
So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP.
Gun owners, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms.

Come November 7, the election ran late.
Kin folks said "Jeb, give the boy your state!"
"Don't let those colored folks get into the polls."
So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes.
Chads, that is. Duval Country. Miami-Dade.

Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in.
Told all the voters, "Hey, we want George to win."
"Stop counting votes!" was their solemn invocation.
And that's how George finally got his coronation.
Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority.
Y'll go vote now, Ya hear!

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A new thing has happened in Iraq, and that is a platoon of men and women were scheduled to deliver supplies to the troops, and several of them have refused to go, partly out of fear, saying it is too dangerous, citing the fact that their vechicles are in poor running order, and that there is little or no armor on them, and that the armor that is there is "steel rails", jerry rigged armorment, not decent lifesaving armorment, and they are also saying that the fuel is they're to deliver is contaminated. There are other complaints.

These men and women were immediately held by the command and put under guard. One girl managed to phone her mother and asked her to talk to anyoine who could help their situation. I also read where that unit had been there for 8 months. Perhaps they are just no longer able to live in such fear for another day.

I wonder what will happen to them?

Fear, they're not allowed it, while we here in this country quake at the thought of terrorists hitting us once again.

A lot of us do, or want to believe the ones who got us into Iraq, and into this unstable mess of a "peace". The ones who themselves were not willing to serve. They are the ones who send these young men and women over there to further their plans of world domination, and we want to believe their other excuses? The made up reasons for this immoral war? Remember how they themselves served this country and know why it is wrong on their part not to expect fear from those serving now. I am refering to Cheney and Bush specifically. What a pity!

They don't even provide our military with the necessities of war. Another pity! Things we have spent taxpayer dollars on researching and buying! Where are the stockpiles we have been shown over the years? Remember pictures of supplies in warehouses all over the country? Who have we given this to, or sold it to? Where is it and what is it, and isn't it usable in the deserts of Iraq, in the mountains of Afghanistan? Why is it impossible to armor Hummers? Why haven't the very best supplies and armarments been provided? More questions than satisfactory answers, aren't there?

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Did anyone catch the Nightline show on Thursday night, the one where they went to Vietnam to investigate the Swift Boat Kerry issue? Well that has been laid to rest if you believe the villagers who related the incident to Nightline. Tere indeed was a battle, one so severe the leaves on the trees were being shredded by gunfire. The "19" year old turned out to be a squad leader of "26", and he is the one who fired the rocket on the boat Kerry was in command of.

Of course the "Swift Boat" vet claims they are more than likely not to be believed, as they are communists and from a hostile country. His incessent fillibustering made it almost impossible to make sense of his arguments, he was so bitter and foolish acting.

Hopefully there will be more to come from this, but for the meantime it is a believable account of that days events, the events the Swift Boat vets for Bush have said never happened. I would hope that more to this will be available in print, without having to send for transcripts, something I always say I'll do, but just never get around to actually doing it.

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A blog, a topical one once more, and it is Hamster News.



http://www.the-hamster.com/mtype/archives/media_news/

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On the Hamster News blog I found this site for Al Franken Show Blog!

He too is down on Sinclair and here's a quote from his blog:

FIGHT THE POWER

Okay. We can get depressed about Sinclair's plans to broadcast the anti-Kerry attackumentary and start looking for a other country to live in--or we can fight back. Here are some ways to act. Contact John MCain (it is underlined like a link is there to do this. Sandi) and suggest that he denounce Sinclair and ask the FCC to do it's job; get on the phone and call Sinclairs advertisers in your area, (here's a data base of who they are linked to by Josh Marshall, who also tells ou why this might work, (LINKS AGAIN), and how to do it); then get involved in the movement, (Links Again). to scare them by having their licenses - to borrow the public airwaves, which we still own, - not renewed.

There is more, but go to the site to see it, and to use the links.

Off subject here, but one thing reminded me of another. Here's the address, just click on it:


http://www.airamericaradio.com/weblogs/alfrankenshow/index.php?/franken/fight_the_power/


Go to the site to learn how to do all of this. Check the links in the story,.

You know I don't care if it is a Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarian, or Ralph Nader, this shouldn't be allowed, it should be stopped, this isn't right and it just goes to show how easy it is for our basic rights to be abused by those of means.

One example was there was a large apartment building planned in the downtown area of Bend Oregon, and it is in an area that is single dwelling homes, perhaps a few duplexes are around but very few if any. This would block sunlight, hurt the neighbor hood for parking, it would have blocked air flow and the views of the single story and two story residents in this single family neighborhood, and when the people learned of it, and began to complain, a city coucilman told them more or less this, "You don't pay my salary, the contractors do!" This is also the attitude of people in higher offices of our government. They know how to get their bread buttered, and it isn't with the salaries we pay them through our taxes. If we were to check up on where the most of their money comes from it would probably amaze all of us, then how about those consulting jobs, those do nothing jobs? A payoff for the benefits they received while their boy was in office.

Changes should be in the works but they're not, things are sailing along swiftly and smoothly for those adept at milking the system. I really can't believe that while in office, that Cheney is still receiving money from Halliburton. How is this? I thought this is illegal?

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While on the Franken site I found this link to a streaming video editorial site, and among other they have a video out, it's called..... Fight Ignorance.com and here is the name of the site:


Fight Ignorance: Read BuzzFlash.com

I can't get the address here on this post to work, so I deleated them. Google it I guess, or link up with the Franken site.

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Return to post 48 to find Halloween decoratations, and for projects for the kiddies, or peruse the site they are on for any number of interesting articles:

Previous post: #48

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Here is a report from a private Iraqi site, one which used to be dedicated to showing the ancient art of Basrah, it is now a site for the explicit goal of ridding their country of us. This site is has been shut down at times for it's content.

The page I'm posting is about the rebellions of platoon members who refused to deliver supplies and fuel to other troops in their area due to the fact that there is still inadequate armor if any at all on their vehicles, this after we were told months ago that vehcles were being fitted with armor, and that problem would be taken care of. It is still a problem, and again the military is saying they will study it. If we are going to be putting these young men and women in harms way, lets give them all the protections they need and deserve. It chills me to think of having feet, legs and arms blown off, much less what else can and does happen. We also hear that head injuries are a problem that is happening more than they would have imagined. Tragic.

This site is now reporting on a new roadside bomb that penetrates the toughest armor, and it has several articles following this article, on about our troops, their fears and their anger, their stories.

The name of the story is "GI Special 2#B93: Platoon Defies Orders

Keep in mind this is an Iraqi site and they are so against what our troops are doing, so be prepared for other pictures and articles that will be presenting their viewpoint, not one of our troops or how many of us here in the west might believe. Some stories and photo's are very disturbing, very! Try to link onto their home page.

Here's the address, just click on it. I have found that you have to click on the address on their opening page to take you to the site, not just the page with the letter against us. Just click on their address at the top of their page and the English translation or the Japanese if you are Japanese. There is a lot to see, not all of it interesting, not all of it plesant.


http://www.albasrah.net

or try this, but it won't work for me:

http://www.albasrah.net/maqakat/english/0110/gi-special2b93.htm

If for some reason this site address doesn't work, go to google and type in: albasrah.net, or just Al Basrah.net

This is a site that displays a bitterness towards us and lets us see how enlightened, and by this I mean they aren't ill educated people from the countryside, but that they're educated Iraqi's, and this is how they see us, we in the west, and how they view our leaders, and our military endeavors. Not a pretty picture at times. You can even read a letter that they posted to ask for an uprising against us.

This is the site where I first learned of us using para military men, mercenaries, and at first I was incredulous, and didn't believe it, but they were right, we are using them, and they answer to no one, and that is a scarry thing don't you think? Although they did arrest a mercinary in Afghanistan for having his own jail and for torturing and beating people who he had detained. He is going, or has gone on trial for these abuses.

This is the site where I first saw the pictures of the prison abuses, and heard of how the Iraqi's viewed this scandal.

There is also a site in only Arabic, and it is selling clothing etc. Here is it's address. Pretty script, Arabic writing, wish I could understand it, some of the gold embelishments look pretty.

http://www.albasrah.com

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The strangest writings I've found on the web so far, and all I was looking for was an antique hood ornament, or a bonnet ornament as Tenorman says, and up came this!


Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.ontologicalmuseum.org/museum/lingo/quarles/index.html


Here's an address for the Ontological Museum of the International Post - Dogmatist Group.

There is a 100,000 Objects Collection Drive, and over the next two years (or from whenever this was posted) they are wanting to collect, by donation, one hundred thousand objects including the following: THINGS WE NEED (a link) So here is the address for it too!

http://post-dogmatist-arts.net/museum/

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Can you guess the Penny???


I cannot believe how many people did not choose the correct one!

Take a look, and see if you can choose the right penny. NO CHEATING, do not look at a real penny first - I know you've seen a real one.

See if you can pick the correct one here.

Click on the line below to take the test.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/common_cents/index.html.

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Check out the above site on serious studies on "Memory". I should have included this in the previous post, the one on Pennies, but I forgot. :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Are you a fan or are you against graffiti? I think I'm a little of both, but it is tagging that is the more offensive to me, the gang symbols, the ones that incite more violence, promote it, brag about it, set up bounderies that I am against the most. Some graffiti has merit, it is interesting and there's some raw talent out there, a lot of it. Remember our trains in New York?

Here's some graffiti from Ireland, a site that is dedicated to peace from what I've been able to gather. :elephant: :banana: :elephant:

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=67051&condense_comments=false#comment89629

Posted this on the wrong thread earlier, so excuse!

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Already there are a few glitches in Floridia concerning the vote, as voters are turning out early to try to prevent the mess things turned into the last Presidential Election.

Threre are even pages missing from ballots, large voting districts only have one polling station, and so it goes, and no concern from officials it is being reported.


Go to Yahoonews.com, and look it up. It is an AP story, the Associated Press who has put this out, and it is written by Jill Barton. So far these have been somewhat minor infractions, but one can't help but wonder just what is going to happen between now and the final vote tally.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20041018/ap_on_el_pr/voting_early

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Here is the text of a campaign talk in New Jersey today, and it is nothing new, it is the same rhetoric and spin we are so accustomed to from this administration, trying to instill in us the same vision that the PNCA has for us, and the rest of the world while downing Kerry in the same old manner as before, taking the simplest of statements and turning them into matters of national security, please, are we so naive?

One would have hoped that they would have directed more of our efforts toward Afghanistan, but they wouldn't make a very good area for a base of operations, nothing there to offer, not strategically, economically, nor is the populace capable of doing what we have in store, or had in mind for the Iraqi's. Their infrastructure isn't what we were needing, not like Iraq. Iraq, now there was a plum, but it has fallen off the tree, and there is the danger.

Here's the address, just click on it and then there is more to the propaganda that is being put out by the White House Reelection Committe.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/10/20041018-11.html

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A response to the previous posts content:

GW Bush before the disasterous attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, had dismissed talk of terrorism being a threat and considered missle defense, "Star Wars" to be his top priority, giving no creedence to Al Qaeda's threats. He and his administration had ignored the pleas and intellignece of the FBI, CIA and other agencies which had gathered pertinent information to the effect that a terrorism strike of stupendous magnitude was in the works. Even after he knew of the Cole and the embassy bombings in Africa, he chose to ignore these warnings and there were many, even the threat of commercial planes being used as bombs were known about. It was known that there were middle eastern men training as pilots and they were already considered a security threat, but this too was ignored. The use of planes as weapons were related to he and his administration, however, they weren't taken seriously by any of them. Even Condalezza Rice said as much, saying it was missle defense that they were worried about, not terrorism.

GW Bush claims to understand the struggle we face, well it took him 7 long minutes to come to any understanding at all, and if not for our country, I can't help but wonder, where was his concern for his family? I would have flown to the nearest phone to find out how they were, but no, he was instead, dumbfounded, and we have seen it, it was so obvious as to his inaction in a time of great emergency.

We have been told by many, and by constitutional scholars that there wasn't a need for the Patriot Act. This is an act that has frightened many of us and continues to do so. Our freedoms are at risk they say, and for the first time in my memory, I have witnessed our government do things I thought could only happen in an oppressed society, a dishonest society, a third world country, a Nazi like fascist state. It is distressing to know our country would do such as they are doing under the guise of Patriotism, that because of fear, and lothing, we stand by passively, we condone and let this type of behaviour, these liberty threatening, abusive policies happen. GW Bush says there are safeguards in this law, that our civil liberties are insured. How is that? I would like to hear a more concise report about this and about the additiions that are proposed to strengthen it.


We do want a more concentrated effort on the part of intelligence gathering branches of our govenment and in efforts to protect this country, but the Patriot Act? John Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Condalezza Rice and this adminstration of GW Bush and John Cheney have stood guard over abuses that were unimaginable before 9/11,all under the guise of the patriotism, under the Patriot act. Abuses we have turned a blind eye to because of our fear and loathing. Where is our moral high ground? How is it we can stand by and hear of these things and not care?

I've heard reasons behind Senator Kerry's cuts, and of his not voting for military funding and it isn't as the administration is making out. They were in all probability, according to others, (not just John Kerry), flawed bills. People who follow these things say the money could have been used for other than what was being said it would be used for, there were no safeguards, it was another bill thrown in to "deceive", their words, "deceptive" and so there was good reason for John Kerry and others to vote against it. Good for him, and good for them. I will say that there is one vote,that I'm not familiar with. The one no one voted for.

Senator Kerry remembers well, the dishonest uses of intelligence, as he was on Capital Hill when there were problems with Iran, and the CIA's involvement in the drugs for arms deals that the administration was involved in to the hilt. He was in the lead searching the money trails, fighting to prosecute banks for money laundering at that time, money in the billions. Billions of drug dollars were passing through our banks and the bankers knew it, but their greed overcame their consciences. But no, John Kerry's honorable work was for naught, or almost, because the administration only gave them a wrist slapping, much to his disgust after so much hard work, so John Kerry knows the abuses and the connections quite well. So why not try to protect us from more abuses, and there have been many you must admit. So I for one am glad he votes as he does.

To say that as president, that "President Kerry" wouldn't permit, or order a preemptive strike to protect us, to protect our country, is ludicruous, and we all know this. Look at how he reacted to protect his men and himself! How foolish would you have to be to believe such tripe? No president would not undertake a preemptive strike if it were to be thought of as necessary. But like the strike against Iraq? God help us if we have become so dillusional!

GW Bush's goal to go it alone, or with very little international backing, is a tragedy that unfolds a bit more each, and every day in front of our eyes, and every day more dead young men, and women are flown home in the dead of night. They are hidden from unapproving and crying eyes, not wanting opposition to this foolish war. There are no national memorial services for these boys and girls, these men and women. There is nothing to make their families and loved ones losses more bearable. All to protect their backing of and by the American people. What a tragedy, a needless tragedy.

We lost close to 3,000 people in the World Trade Center tragedy. How many are we going to lose in this war? How many Iraqi innocents are going to die? There have been thousands, upon thousands now. More than in the attacks of 9/11. How many little children have been killed, maimed and orphaned? Where is our compassion for them? What are they, potential terrorists, so we aren't susposed to care? Has our empathy and compassion flown out the window, have we had to let it go, because of our concern for ourselves? Don't we have room in our beings for caring for others any longer? Is there just too much fear in it's place, and if not that, just too much hatred?

Had we done things in a differnt manner, perhaps, just perhaps, someway, the Middle East might have ended up thinking that Democracy might be worth a go, perhaps a tiny inroad would have opened up a crack, but even that is very doubtful, as it's an alien concept with them, but after our abuses, our ill thought out management of the peace, there isn't a chance in the world that the majority of the Middle Easts populace will think that our brand of government, this oddity, this democracy of ours, is a good thing.

Too bad rebuttals can't be made at each and every campaign stop, but no, no one is even allowed to wear an opposing slogan T'shirt without being arrested in this democratic country of ours. Does the Patriot Act cover, or embrace the practice of arresting those with opposing view points being worn on their shirts in an election campaign audience? Of course not! So where does the authority to arrest come from? To have these people of opposing viewpoints arrested? They were standing quietly, not yelling or threatening, not at all. Is fascism on the rise????

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If you go to Phil Miloys post of Al Gores speech in Why Conservatives Must Not Vote For Bush, on this board, in Current Events, post 83, then and read it, you will see why it is crucial NOT TO BELIEVE BUSH AND CHENEY'S CAMPAIGN RHETORIC, as that is all it is, it is spin, and more spin, and it is prevarication at it's worst. Why is is so bad? Because people are dying because of their spin, they are being given a mandate by the American voters because they are believing these tell us anything to further their agenda men and women, they will be our downfall, and how many others will have to die before we realize it?

Now a letter is circulating blaming the 17% increase in MediCare on Kerry, saying it is a Clinton balanced budget law that is all Kerry's doings, or some such thought and it is one that the sick may just believe, it is more spin.

If you would email me, I will send you a transcript of Gores speech via email. I had asked Phil for one and he was nice enought to take the time to do it. If you would like a copy of it to send to friends, just email me and I will send you one.

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Here is a site dedicated to "Peace"


I haven't read a lot of it yet, but decided to give you the address so you cAn read this before the elections if there is anything to be gained here. Could be, and might not be.

The story I am looking at at this time is Liberal Hawk Down by Anatol Lieven, fThe Nation, Octorber 25, 2004.

Since this is a site dedicated to peace I would think this would be a great site to have knwledge of.

I am susposing that is when it will be published. I have read more of this exerpt, and it is schollarly and well written, a deep study, or so it seems, and it is connecting all of the dots. JThere are some tought assessments here, some straightforward conclusions, and there are ideas and conflicting viewpoints, and I am thinking that this would be good book to own. Life magazine it isn't, it takes some serious thought and reflection, and not sure just a library check out is the way to go, as it would be good to have this book to refer to when coming across like articles, or statements. If it has to be library, then that's o.k. too, but this is a book I would like to own.

Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Thre is a related site, their Moscow Center

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=15968

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A central question raised by James Mann in his book Rise of he Vulcans , and in Anatol Lieven's Liberal Hawk Down is why the Bush Adminsitration and so many American citizens have been obsessed with the alleged threat from states than have a tiny fraction of American power, and can aslo be deterrred by the threat of massive retaliation. In Iraq, this attitude has led the Administration to destroy a state that, though savagely oppressive, posed no serious threat to the United States. In the place of Baath-ist Iraq, the Bush Administration and its supporters have created a brutal anarchy that is the ideal breeding ground for terrorists who really do pose a dreadful threat to the United States.

One author, C. Vann Woodward warned of these dangers during the Vietnam War. The messianic attitude and where it leads. The true American Mission, according to those who suppport these views, is a moral crusade on a worldwide scale. Such people are likely to concede no validity whatever and grant no hearing to the opposing point of view, and to appeal to a higher law to justify bloody and revolting means in the name of a noble end. (Does this sound familiar to any of us? SRH) For what end could be nobler, they ask, than the liberation of man.... The irony of the moralistic approach, when exploited by nationalism, is that the high motive to end injustice and immorality actually results in making war more amoral and horrible than ever and in shattering the foundation of the political and moral order upon which peace has to be built. As Woodward indicated this attitude,encourages contempt for, and hostility to states; not only particular states, but the great majority of states than do not conform to American standards of democracy and economic success, and even those that do, like the ones of Western Europe, can be damned for being too cowaradly, cynical and decadent to support America's courageous and idealistic mission to the world. This hostility represents a grave threat to US strategy in the war on Terrorism."

These are but a few of the thoughts in this book by Anatol Lieven

Get the address from the previous post.

It is from the Carnegie Institute for Peace.

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Here's a great site for yummy foods great Tapas, and other tiny delights that you will enjoy I'm sure and it is accompanied by Lieberts music, or it sounds like him to me, may not be, haven't checked.

Not all of these dishes are Spanish, there's Greek, Scandinavian etc.

Having a party or just want something different, a change of pace?

Check out their other foods from around the world, and check out their shrimp stuffed rellano's, sound great to me.

Here's the address, just click on it

http://www.thegutsygourmet.net/tapa.html

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SOME TIDBITS TO INSPIRE YOU TO DO MORE THESE FINAL 13 DAYS!

FROM AN EMAIL TO ME FROM THE SIMON ROSENBURG FOUNDATION

Dear Saundra,

In an era of Swift Boats, Abu Gharaibs, Chalabis, Sinclair GOPcasting, and ruinous foreign policy and macro-economic decision making we didn't think anything in these last two weeks could surprise us. But over the last few days four things have been popped up that must be read, and forwarded, and understood.

They all lead to the very same conclusion-George W. Bush is making a hard run a earning the spot as America's worst and most destructive President of all time.

...............1. Knight-Ridder: Post-War Planning Non-Existent

Washington - In March, 2003, days before the start of the U.S. - led invasion of Iraq, American war planners and intelligence officials met at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina to review the Bush administration's plans to oust Saddam Hussein and implant democracy in Iraq.

Near the end of his presentation, an Army Lieutenant colonel who was giving a briefing showed a slide describing the Pentagon's plans for rebuilding Iraq after the war, known in in the planners' parlance as Phase 4-C. He was uncomfortable with his material - and for good reason.

The slide said: "To Be Provided."

Read more: http://ga4.org/ct/4pqUW2M1ZjlR/.


..........2. Ron Suskinds now infamous examinatin in the New York Times of Bush's faith-based decision making.

"I think a light has gone off for the people who've spent time up close to Bush: that this instinct he's always talking about is this sort of weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do." Bartlett, a 53 year-old columnist and self-described libertarian Republican who has lately been a champion for traditional Republicans concerned about Bush's governance went on to say: "This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them..."

Read More: http://ga4.org/ct/47qUW2M1ZjlQ/.


...........3. Evangelist Pat Robertson last night on CNN about Bush, and his faith-based decision making:

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces." I mean he was just sitting there like, "I'm on top of the world.'" Robertson said on the CNN show, "Paula Zahn Now."

"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say. 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "

Robertson said the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."

Read More: http://ga4.org/ct/41qUW2M1Zjlp/

...........4. The Tampa Tribune: Why We Cannot Endorse President Bush For Re-Election.

We find ourselves in a position unimaginable four years ago when we strongly endorsed for president a fiscal conservative and "moderate man of mainstream convictions" who promised to wield military muscle only as a last resort and to resist the lure of "nation building."

As stewards of the Tribune's editorial voice, we find it unimaginable to not be lending our voice to the chorus of conservative-leaning newspapers endorsing the president's re-election. We had fully expected to stand with Bush, whom we endorsed in 2000 because his politics generally reflected ours, a strong military, fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility, and small government. We knew him to be a popular governor of Texas who fought for lower taxes, less government and a pro-business constitution.

But we are unable to endorse Presidnet Bush for re-election because of his mishandling of the war in Iraq, his record deficit spending, his assault on open government, and his failed promise to be a "uniter not a divider' with the United States and the world.

Read More: http://ga4.org/ct/r1qUW2M1ZjlY/

If you needed a little something to get your energy level up these final two weeks, read these stories. Whatever you were going to do for the country, do more.

Thanks for all that you are doing.

Simon Rosenberg

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Just one voice being heard all over the country concerning The Bush - Cheney administration, and the fears we have for our country if these men are kept in the White House.

This is what I find so unimaginable, the belief that this administration will keep us safe! How can people believe such, after 9/11 and how it was allowed to happen and how little the administratin is doing now to strenghen our ability to combat terrorism. Not only my views, but that of experts as well, those much more in the know than I will ever be. They feel we are being let down, so why is there so much fear that someone else would be worse?


With the Bush - Cheney record on everything from their fiscal policy, their domestic policies, their global policies to how they handle the reality of terrorism and the threat and the prevention of terrorism, to the war in Iraq, and I believe as do many others that their term in office has been a fiasco, a sham, and it wouldn't take much to do a better job.

We are concerned for our country, we are concerned for all of us. We are being let down by this administration. They have failed us in every endeavor they have undertaken from my viewpoint, and I'm not alone in this! I see no improvements, other than a tempory windfall tax refund, a pittance to the middle class; a pocket liner for the wealthy. One that the experts say the middle class and the poor will be paying for in the near future. They are bankrupting all of us.

Again, I am upset over this campaign of fear they are using, it is wrong and I agree with John Edwards, it is un-American, as is much of what has been going on with the policies this administration is implementing

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An article in The New York Times>Magazine in the Magazine: Without a Doubt, by Ron Suskind, Oct 17, 2004, has a lot to say about GW Bush and his "instincts"

The more one reads and thinks about this situation with GW Bush, the more confounding the situation in Iraq becomes, and the more confounding his plans for the world becomes. All the more reason we need to think twice about following his beliefs.

Will he invade other countries to further his "vision?" The faith based believe he will and hope that he does. Will he unleash the war to end all wars to further his religious conviction? This is something that many faith based political followers are wanting, and they believe and hope he will deliver.

This is informative and current. Type in "Without a Doubt" in their search window, and it will take you to a list and then you will see it, click on it to read.

Strange times we are living in. Very strange indeed!

Here's the address, just click on it

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?oref=login&oref=login

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While on the site above, hit on William Sapphires column about fear, is he for real, or is this tongue in cheek?

No, it's real all right and he is picking up the fear theme, and laying it at the Kerry-Edwards Election Committee's feet, at Kerry's feet. Laughed my self silly over this ploy. Calling on us to have courage, quoting the bible about courage.

He says Kerry is playing on our fears about medicines, it is a concern, a deep seated concern, and it is a reasonable one, given this administrations track record; a real and reasonable concern if not a fear, then there is the fear of a draft, He says Kerry is playing on our fears, well, where are we going to get enough armed forces to carry out their deadly missions, as young men and women are no longer joining up in the numbers that they have in the past.

Now we come to Social Security. The article says Kerry is trying to scare us over it, no, we were already concerned over Social Security being depeleted, and becoming insolvent, as it has been used and abused for too many administrations. I remember Reagan laughing and saying "they didn't say anything about the COLA'S", as he dipped his fingers, & then his fist in to the pot.

Concern Bill, not fear, we aren't your fearful soccar moms that your party tries to terrify with their talk of terrorism and Democratic inaction. This is where you need to focus, on people trying to scare us with terrorists. Listen to Dick Cheney, and tell me this isn't fear mongering, not the domestic issues Kerry is addressing, ones that need some swift attention, not lip service, while hiding their real intentions behind the accusatory rhetoric of fear.

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There is a site from the viewpoint of Black America, with articles about the White House, Haiti, "Identify Race Traitors", Faith-Based Economics, and how a "Senator Chooses Hell Over Heaven".

One article is called Shark Tale controversy: Are Italians the New Anti-Racist Front: by LIbro Della Piana

Haven't delved into this site in any depth, but will, it does look intersting and topical.

I added some comments to the post on the article by Suskind, just some thoughts. It is two posts back.


Here's the address for "the Black Commentator site, just click on it:

http://www.blackcommentator.com/


Did a bit of reading and the letters to the site are very interesting and give you some insight as to how the people of our cities are viewing our politicians and their promises, their achievements. Quite different, and worth a read.

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From the preceeding site, I have found this blog address, and it it Freedom Rider.

I have read one of Margarat Kimberleys articles and believe she might deserve a deeper look.

Go here for a link to the John Stewart - Tucker Carlson t.v. show and watch it all they say. Their comment "VIVA STEWART!"

My opinion of Carlson, is at this young age being so pompous, so right, what will he be like in another ten years? His promo for his show, it is just comical coming from such a kid, like he knows it all, he can read everyone by the words they choose. Give me a break! Andy Rooney saying this, yep, Walter Cronkite, yep! But Tucker Carlson? At who's knee did he learn it all?


Here is the address, just click on it:

http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/

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Here we go again, it is like Yogi said.

Unbelievable that with the eyes of the nation on them they are so unintimindated that they are using fraudulent practices in Florida once again to influence the outcome of the vote count. No fear of reprisal at all, well the Supreme Court can't be counted on by the voters, nor can the current administration be counted on to demand and insure honesty, or do we believe the fox is capable of guarding the hen house?

What have we come to?

If elected this time around, where will this administration take us when they will have four more years to implement their crazy plans for world domination. Just where will we be in four more years, and how will the United States look if we end up expanding our war front, who will we be worried about then? Korea? Who else? We are being governed by men whose judgement is suspect to say the least.

Read this, from the Guardian, posted by Salon. It is "Oh, please, not again." Dirty tricks return to the Sunshine State, by Oliver Burkeman Oct. 19, 2004, Tallahassee, Florida

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/19/florida/index_np.html

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Boycott Sincliar Advertisers.

This is a campaign to stop this blatent attempt to smear Kerry under the guise of entertainment, and there are TOLL FREE numbers being furnished to call, these are businesses who use Sinclair Broadcasting to advertise their product. There are many toll free numbers, and we all need to give it our best.

I don't care if this station were to be doing this against any party, it would be wrong, it is wrong and he needs to be stopped. This is un-American, & so very wrong. I'm amazed that the FCC hasn't stopped it, but perhaps if they won't, we can.

Tell your friends.

This is wrong regardless of party.

Here's the address, get the list, just click on it:

http://www.boycottsbg.com/advertisers/

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When reading the story in the link about Bush's instincts, in post #215, make sure to go to the following page, as there are page turners at the bottom of the page, it is a few pages long, just wanted to make sure you noticed this. It is in Suskinds story, "Without a Doubt"

Such a story!

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I just can't get over the attitude of this president and his administration. Here is an excerpt from the article "Without a Doubt.' (from a few posts back)

In the summer of 2002, after Suskind's article in Esquire caused an upset, because of his portrayal of Karen Hughes, he had a meeting wtih a senior adviser to GW, and he expressesed the White Houses displeasure, and told him something he says at the time he didn't "totally comprehend" but he now believes it gets to the "very heart of the Bush presidency"

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality - based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmered something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "we're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you will be left to just study what we do."

There is much more to this article. After reading and seeing so many article's which point out this administrations view points and mistakes, their cronyism, the corruption, their desire for total control, and to top it all off, their dreams of empire. It has become mind boggling that anyone would put their support behind this ticket, the "my way or the highway ticket." The childrens fable has come to be, and where is the child among us to point it all out, so that we might see?

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:clap: :elephant: :elephant: :clap: DARWIN AWARDS TIME :clap: :elephant: :clap:

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>>>The 2003 Darwin Award Winner: when his 38-caliber revolver failed to fire at his intended victim during a hold-up in Long Beach, California, would be robber James Elliot did something that can only inspire wonder, he peered down the barrel and tried the trigger again. This time it worked . . .

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and now, the honorable mentions:
>>>
>>>The chef at a hotel in Switzerland lost a finger in a meat cutting machine and, after a little hopping around, submitted a claim to his insurance company. The company suspecting negligence, sent out one of its men to have a look for himself. He tried the machine out and lost a finger. The chef's claim was approved.

>>>A man who shoveled snow for an hour to clear a space for his car during a blizzard in Chicago returned with his vehicle to find a woman had taken the space. Understandably, he shot her.

>>>After stopping for drinks illegally at a bar, Zimbabwean bus driver found that the 20 mental patients he was supposed to be transporting from Harare to Beltway had escaped. Not wanting to admit his incompetence, the driver went to a nearby bus-stop and offered everyone waiting there a free ride. He then delivered the passenger to the mental hospital, telling the staff that the patients were very excitable and prone to bizarre fantasies. The deception wasn't discovered for 3 days.

>>>An American was in the hospital yesterday recovering from serious head wounds received from an oncoming train. When asked how he received the injuries, the lad told police that he was simply trying to see how close he coud get his head to a moving train before he was hit.

>>>A man walked into a Lousiana Circle-K, put a $20 bill on the counter, and asked for change. When the clerk opened the csh drawer, the man pulled a gun and asked for all the cash in the register, which the clerk promptly provided. The man took the cash from the clerk and fled, leaving the $20 bill on the counter. The total amount of cash he got from the drawer? $15.00. (If someone points a gun at you and gives you money was a crime commited?)

>>>A thief burst into a Florida bank one day wearing ski mask and carrying a gun. Aiming his bun at the guard, the thief yelled, "FREEZE, MOTHER-STICKERS, THIS IS A ****-UP!" For a moment everyone was silent. Then the snickers started. The guard completely lost it, and doubled over laughing. It probably saved his life, because he'd been about to draw his gun. He couldn't have drawn and fired before the thief got him. The thief ran away is is still at large. In memory of the event, the banker later put a plaque on the wall engraved with the words. "Freee, mother - stickers, this is a ****-up"


>>>Seems this Arkansas guy wanted some beer pretty badly. He decided that he'd just throw a cinderblock through a liquor store window, grab some booze, and run. So he lifted the cinderblock and heaved it over his head at the window. The cinderblock bounced back and hit the would - be thief on his head, knocking him unconscious. Seems the liquor store window was made of Plexiglass. The whole event was caught on videotape.

>>>As a female shopper exited a New Yourk convenience store, a man grabbed her purse and ran. The clerk called 911, immediately, and the woman was able to give them a detailed description of the snatcher. Within minutes, the police apprehended the snatcher. They put him in their car and drove back to the store. The thief was then taken out of the car and told to stand there for a positve ID. To which he replied, Yes, officer that's her. Thats the lady I stole the purse from."

>>>The Ann Arbor News crime column reported that a man walked into a Burger King in Ypsilanti, Michigan, at 5 a.m., flashed a gun, and demanded cash. the clerk turned him down because he said he couldn't open the cash register without a food order. When the man ordered onion rings, the clerk said they weren't available for breakfast. The man, frustrated, walked away.

>>>Kentucky. Two men tried to pull the front off of a cash machine by running a chain from the machine to the bumper of their pickup truck. Instead of pulling the front panel off the machine, though , they pulled the bumper off their truck. Scared, they left the scene and drove home with the chain still attached to the machine. With their bumper still attached to the chain. With their vehicle's license plate still attached to the bumper. They were quickly arrested.

A 5-STAR STUPIDITY AWARD WINNER! *****

>>>When a man attempted to siphon gasoline from a motor home parked on a Seattle street, he got much more than he bargained for. Police arrived at the scene to find a very sick man curled up next to a motor home near spilled sewage. A police spokesman said that the man admitted to trying to steal gasoline and plugged his siphon hose into the motor home's sewage tank by mistake, The owner of the vehicle declined to press charges, saying that it was the best laugh he'd ever had.

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Again, post #48 for Halloween decorations and ideas, a cute site, and has other items of interest for kids, or those of you who are kids at heart.

POST #48

On This Thread :laugh:

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"I'd Like Tuna On White - Hold the Mercury!"

Check this out, here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0325-07.htm

here is another site to use to take action and learn more:

http://www.ariannaonline.com/blog/index.php

Has she ever done a 360o

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A domain Karl Rove Forgot to Register!

Welcome to President Bush Sucks.Org

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.stormpages.com/peteandcarol/BushSucks/BushSucksOld.htm

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A Sweetheart Deal, Texas Style!

We hear of the wonderful job GW Bush did as governor of Texas, yet how many of us know of the land deal that he and his friends worked out and how they owed over $7,000,000.00 to the state, and how it was never paid, while he was touting his fairness to land owners and how condemnation of property wasn't something he would let go on.

Read this one story for an insight into what it is GW says, and what he does. Quite a difference.

There are links on this page to more of what he is like in reality, not the spin he and his campaign are feeding to the press, and thereby to us.

Here's the address, just click on it!

http://www.bushfiles.com/bushfiles/SweetheartDeal.html

I don't understand why everyone just won't wake up.

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Florida, Yogi is speaking again, and here it goes, it is happening all over again, and there has been sufficient time to make the necessary changes to the system, known problems have existed since 2001, so go figure, it's the Fox guarding the hen house once again, and we have stood by and let it happen! Have we lost our collective minds?

Here's an address, and then follow links and see what else this site has on it. Thanks Mike, found this on your post, the Diebold Florida Vote post.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/114&PHPSESSID=772d67cl9041d12bb56c76b97db9558e7

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Check out this site and it's links. It's Misleader.org

The article I have up for this address is called Bush Supporters Misled, but there are more articles than just this one.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.misleader.org/daily_misled/Read.asp?fn=df10222004.html

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DESMOND TUTU NOBEL PEACE PRIZE RECIPIENT OFFERS ADVICE TO FLORIDA VOTERS

Don't you just love to listen to him, and hear the kind and funny wisdoms coming from his beliefs?

Click here for the address:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=@@2004410201151

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Florida's e-voting concerns complicate recount worries. A story by Raches Konrad, an associated press writer.

DELRAY BEACH, Fla. -- Edward Titet fought in World War II, built affordable housing for veterans and taught sixth grade. When the Long Island native retired to Florida, he fulfilled another civic duty by becoming a poll worker.

He isn't volunteering this year.

Go to the following address to pull up the story to learn why.

Here is the address, just click on it:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20041022/APP/410220670

Just use the previous post where there is another link to the Herald Tribune, and find the story "Florida's e-voting concerns complicate recount worries"

You should be able to find it, why it won't come up with this address is not something I can't work out. Maybe I'm not finding a mistake in my typing, but I have looked at it more than once, and ??? Too bad it isn't easier to pull up, it's interesting, or at lease it is to me.

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I've come across a site because of it's content, while looking for the story about Republicans wanting to use the Amish in their quest for a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriages. Still can't find that link, but here is an interesting one, one in which a man has said that the "Greatest Generation were Un-American" and why. Unbelievable! This is an article about Grover Norquist, "an important figure in the Republican Party" called by some the "Field Marhall of the Bush Plan", and how he believes the WWII vets were quasi-socialists for wanting minimum wage and such!

October 12, 2004

From:
Austin Cline

"Greatest Generation" Was Un-American?

Grover Norquist is a very important figure in the Republican party, who believes that the "Greatest Generation" which fought World War II was un-American. Why? Because they were quasi-socialists who favored minimum wage laws. How terrible!

Slate explains, quoting a translation of an interview Norquist did in Mexico.

>>>>>"This is an age cohort that voted for a draft before the war started, and allowed the draft to continue for 25 years after the war was over. Their idea of the legitimate role of the state is radically different than anything previous generations knew, or subsequent generations."

>>>>>"Before that generation, whenever you put a draft in, there were draft riots. After that generation, there were draft riots. This generation? No problem. Why not? Of course the government moves people around like pawns on a chessboard. ONe side splits off labor law, one side splits off Social Security. We will all work until we're 65, and have the same pension. You know, some Bismark, German thing, okay? Very un-American."

>>>>>Norquist told Slate last week that it would be "obscene" to call a world war II vereran "anti-American.

But, evidently, calling them Un-American is just fine!

What we are seeing here is an ideologically sound expression of the view of the far-right in the Republican Party. They are opposed to any and all labor laws, social safety nets, and so forth. This is the scary side of the Republican Party, one that causes real problems for principled conservatives who don't believe in the Slash and Burn politics that involves attacking opponents so viciously.

It's also the side of the Republican party that controls the party.

{I typed this out as it wouldn't come through, it is on the About web site.}
There are a lot of search results for this man on google, this is just the first one I came across.

it is the Agnosticism/Atheism blog:

Here is the address, just click on it:

http://www.atheisim.about.com/b/a/118188.htm

It isn't coming up, Maybe if you type in the name of the story, or the name of the author, or???

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BIN LADEN'S LOCATION IS KNOWN, OFFICIAL SAYS:

The pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding it just can't get to him , John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 commission, said Thursday.


srh: I find this hard to believe myself, or they wouldn't be saying this, or would they? Tip their hand? Why? Politics? Who knows?

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/local/9983363.htm

Actually, not much new on the above site, but here is an intersting article by
Jonathan Schell on TomDispatch.com, and it is called, "Bin Laden's Illusions and ours. An antidote to mainstream media.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=1926

I had this typed in wrong earlier. TomDispatch.com for a google search but the above link should work now.



A Bush pre-electrion strike on Iran "imminent".

srh: I don't know if I believe this either, but again with this administration, who knows what they will attempt next! This is from the White House Insider report "October Surprise" imminent.

srh: I certainly hope this is speculation, and rumor, as this is something that has been in the political winds out of this administration for quite some time, and this is another unerving prospect.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://207.44.245.159/article7113.htm

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The above post about a preemptive strike on Iran, may be more than rumor as the U.S. Kennedy has been deployed, and other arms made ready for battle. If this happens who should be locked away to protect us all?

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What kind of propaganda is this? This just can't be the truth.

This is in the Moscow Times, and it is terrible.

http://www.context.themoscowtimes.com/index.php?aid=131199

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Who was it who filed a report in the news that with the end of the "Cold War" it was the "End of History!" ????

Is he, GW thinking like the faith based politico's that if he does all of these things that are being talked about in the above post, that he will be swept up into heaven in a golden chariot? Can't anyone reason with these wackos? This is insane, they are going to bring on WWIII, and it's nuclear fall out. Isn't there someone in the government who can stop this insanity before it's too late? Are they all nuts?

Where are the checks and balances to prevent this runaway train? Where are people of courage who have the countries interest at heart? Isn't there something that someone can do?

End of history? End of the world as we know it, if these policies are enacted!
Stop the madness!

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I'm going to type out a blurb from the Bin laden's Illusions article, as it is so important in my view.

"Each couhtry that plunges into nightmare -- whether Germany under Hitler, the Soviet Union under the Bolsheviks, Chile under Pinochet, or, for that matter, Iraq under Saddam Hussein -- travels there along its own path. The American political system -- based on free elections, the rights of citizens, and the rule of law -- is, thought under the severest pressure, still available for use. If it is lost, and the full American nightmare descends, there will be many causes. They will include the militarization of foreign policy, global imperial ambition, the loss of balance among the branches of government, the erosion of civil liberties, and the overwhelming influence of corporate money and power over political life -- all present before Osama bin Laden made his appearance. But at every step of the way the skids will be greased by the national capacity, conferred, by the media and exploited by politicians, to produce and consume illusion, which though hardly an American monopoly, may be the specific form of corruption most dangerous to American democracy."........

I hope you read all of the previous posts story that is reached with the link I provided in the above post, and lets do hope that someway the administration will see that they are causing great harm to our country, if not the world.

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"Remember way back in the 1980's, when Dick Cheney racked up one of the most anti-gay voting records in the House of Representatives? In 1988, he was one of 13 members who even voted against funding for Aids testing and reasearch when it was still called a "gay plague." Well, Cheney's come as far as many other Americans, and for the same essential reason. The more people in our families, workplaces, and communities come out of the closet, the harder it is to regard them as deviants who need to be cured or converted or jailed.

This is an excerpt from an article, here's the address for the completed story, just click on it:

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17904

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Leave it to Molly to find the truth and to tell it to us with her witty and honest way.

Her article is titled, "How dumb does Bush think we are?"

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemID=17851

While on this site look up Columnists on their bar, and check out the other stories and here is one which might interest you. It's the one titled "Investigations are still brewing."

"As campaign season heats up, don't forget the scandals bubbling on the back burner." There are a few that are mentioned, from Valarie Plame, to Haliburton in Nigeria, and scandals involving them in the mid east, to Republicans jamming phone lines to prevent telephone calls to people to remind them to vote.

G-o-d, not GOP, check out this story and the Sojourners, a progressive Christian magazine. It is turning out to be one of the central themes of the 2004 campaign. It's also on this site in the Colomnist section.

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Does everyone remember it was Dick Cheney while on a fishing or hunting trip, with several men that it was decided that it should be he to head up Halliburton, all this was decided while he was napping, so it isn't just Senator Kerry who takes hunting trips.

Dick Cheney mocking Senator Kerry for his trip and clothing, is a funny turn around. Remember Scalia's quote "Quack, Quack!!!" This after it was learned that Supreme Court Justice A. Scalia was going on a duck hunting trip with none other than Vice President Dick Cheney, even after being on the court that appointed him to that office. This trip was in the works just when Supreme Court Justice Scalia was to rule on an issue concerning Dick Cheney's Haliburton (I believe it was about Halliburton), a case he refused to recuse himself from. Dick Cheney hunts too, but bags bigger game. There's nothing like having a Supreme Court Justice in your bag.

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Here's a story related to our information gathering agencies, and it is in:
The Plain Dealer, a newspaper out of Ohio.

The story is: Haste makes secrecy, Thurs. October, 21, 2004

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.cleveland.com/editorials/plainsdealer/index.ssl?/base/opinion/1098351006110130.xml

Once on the site, type in the name of the story, and then a paragraph will come up, and at the start of the paragraph click on the link to take you to the complete story.

There are times when secrecy is needed and should be used, however we are inching toward a police state with the policies of the Patriot Act and this law the administration is trying to have pass, enacted, would just hasten this happening. We need to be dilligent, and be on the look out for such abuses. Too much water has flown over the dam, and we need to be wary of these types of policies becoming law, too many abusive bills, all due to our fears, are already in place. We can't afford any more. These policies will be longer lasting than the damage the terrorists are commiting, effecting more of us than is realized by the American voter.

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Interested in Finance, here's a site that lists the worlds top Family owned businesses with a brief rundown on them. Then there are links.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/topglobal-2.html

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In the email that contained the quotes in the previous post, there is an article that tells of more deception by this administration, even leaving Congress out of the loop. :shrug:

A Secret Rewriting of Military Law, by Tim Golden
After Terror, a Secret Rewriting of Military Law
10/24/04
"New York Times"

Again this comes from the "Tnformation Clearing House" web site.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://207.44.245.159/article7122.htm

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:rant2: :tearhair: :tearhair: :rant2: An Australian recently asked "Why are American Christians so Bloodthirsty?" I would like to hear the reasoning behind this myself. I have my beliefs about this, but to see the article by Dr. Teresa Whithurst, a clinical psychologist and author of Jesus on Parenting, click on the following link address:

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/whitehurst.php?/articleid=3842

According to Andrew Card GW sees us as so many children who need guiding!

HOW RICH! Give us a break! :mad2: :rant2: :rant2: :mad2:

He needs to guide us? Bamfoozle is the word Card must have had in mind when he made such a statement! This is one of the most aggravating articles I have yet to read! It just is so upsetting to see how it is with everyone, and with this man who would be king! At least in the novel, he was an enlightened soul, and one who should have become one. Aren't you all tired of having your gullibility, your stupidity (which is how we are thought of by this man. He must believe we are gullible, and we are stupid, if we need to be led like children by him, then how else could he be thinking of us?) is what he must be thinking and he is taking that for granted? This by a man who has yet to convince many of us he knows what it is he is about himself!

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"The somewhat fanciful theory that 9/11 blasted a hole in the space-time continuum and propelled us all into an 'inverted' alternate universe - 'Bizarro World' - where 'up is down', right is left, and the President of the United States is the most uninformed person on earth, was only supposed to be a joke on my part, a literary devise designed to make the point that American society, or most of it, has been thrown off kilter. But I fear that is has become quite literally true, and the evidence, I submit, is Pat Robertson's 'recent statement' to CNN's 'Paula Zahn.'"

Click on the differently colored text within the story for more on the story, they're links.

There is more to this story, just click the address below:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3830

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This is kindof funny. A story in "Bizarro World" "Post 9/11: LIfe as a comic book." Written way back on February 13, 2002, and it is about him being threathened with prison for heading for the restrooms on a plane before 30 minutes had passed, as 20 had only gone by, he was in deep doo doo.

There are all sorts of links to other stories, the links are differently colored words within the text, just click on them.
Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j021302.html

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Here is a site, for: Famous People, Funny Stories. Anecdotes from Gates to Yeats. Should be fun.

Here's the address, just click on it!

http://www.anecdotage.com/

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Over on the Howcome God Never Speaks to Me? thread, I brought up Pat Robertson, there are anecdotes on the previous post by him as well, and here are more of his comments should you be interested, this is an Anti Pat site, and his comments are truly amazing.

Here is another quote attributed to Mr. Robertson:

"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians - one precinct at a time, one community at a time - until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christain Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country... and when the people say, "We've had enough,' we're going to take over!" --Pat Robertson

We have seen what religous extremism can be like, are we sure we want this to be the road we take; the path we choose? The deaths of millions have often times been caused by good intentions gone awry. Misplaced logic, misplaced beliefs gone astray. Think long and hard before becoming a part of such a plan, such a way of believing. Dominance is a strange beast, whether here at home, or globally as some are trying to implement. We should be extremely leary of such plans, regardless who has such plans. The strange thing is, they are documenting their craziness, they have laid out plans for all of us to see, and so far, very few have even looked into all of this, excepting the Christain Coalition, their members know full well of such activities.

Here's the address, just click on it:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/patrobertson.html

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This again from an email subscription I am subscribed to.

Here's a few quotes, that are topical and fit our current times.

They have always taught and trained you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the people have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation, in any age has ever been declared by the poeple: Eugene Debs

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The Bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge - even to ourselves - that we've been so credulous: Carl Sagan.

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Dom Stasi : Uncurious George

Despite what is unfolding before us, the majority of this country's honest, freedom-loving people seem ever less interested in knowing, and ever more inclined toward believing that what we're being shown, and what we're being told and what is being carried out in our name, is truth:
http://207.44.245.159/article4454.htm

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The Bush Cult:

Now we know, from their own words, that the Bush Regime is a cult - a cult whose god if Power, whose adherents believe that they alone control reality, that indeed they create the world anew with each act of their iron will. And the goal of this will - undergirded by the cult's supreme virtues of war, fury and blind - faith - is likewise openly declaired. "Empire":
http://207.44.245.159/article7137

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Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished from Site in Iraq:

The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, produce missile warheads, and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.
http://207.44.245.159/article7133.htm

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Juan Cole: Bush is Making us safer?

If Bush cannot even protect our troops from explosives at a sensitive facility in a country he had conquered, how is he going to protect the American public from terrorists, who have not even yet been identified?
http://snipurl.com/a1tw

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Kidnappping and killing is a daily reality in Iraq, but in the west the atrocitties go unrecorded and the dead are unnamed:
http://207.44.245.159/article 7135

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Prewar intelligence predicted Iraqi insurgency:

The moment when U.S. troops realized they had badly underestimated the resistance they would encounter from Iraqi guerrilla fighters can be pinpointed to the minute.
http://207.44.245.159/article7132.htm

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I Didn't Know I Was UnAmerican:
Song and Video:

Flash presentation
http//207.44.245.159/article7126.htm

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Video: Uncovered:
In case you missed it: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War.
http://207.44.245.159/article6423.htm

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"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us. Justice William O.Douglas
http//207.44.245.159/article7131

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Once on this site, look up a 60 second Video: So, You Want to Vote For Kerry? in Welcome to the Florida State Voting System.

There are more items of interest, and perhaps you might like to subscribe to this newsletter yourselves. The quotes alone are nice to have coming in, reagardless of how you lean politically: emailtom@cox.net

Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people." John Adams, August, 1765.

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This again from an email subscription I am subscribed to.

Here's a few quotes, along with links to current topics concerning our country and our situation, the sad situation in Iraq. Articles which are topical and fit our current times.

They have always taught and trained you to believe it to be your patriotic duty to go to war and to have yourselves slaughtered at their command. But in all the history of the world you, the people have never had a voice in declaring war, and strange as it certainly appears, no war by any nation, in any age has ever been declared by the people: Eugene Debs

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The Bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge - even to ourselves - that we've been so credulous: Carl Sagan.

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Dom Stasi : Uncurious George

Despite what is unfolding before us, the majority of this country's honest, freedom-loving people seem ever less interested in knowing, and ever more inclined toward believing that what we're being shown, and what we're being told and what is being carried out in our name, is truth:

http://207.44.245.159/article4454.htm

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The Bush Cult:

Now we know, from their own words, that the Bush Regime is a cult - a cult whose god if Power, whose adherents believe that they alone control reality, that indeed they create the world anew with each act of their iron will. And the goal of this will - undergirded by the cult's supreme virtues of war, fury and blind - faith - is likewise openly declaired. "Empire":

http://207.44.245.159/article7137

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Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished from Site in Iraq:

The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, produce missile warheads, and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations:

http://207.44.245.159/article7133.htm

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Juan Cole: Bush is Making us safer?

If Bush cannot even protect our troops from explosives at a sensitive facility in a country he had conquered, how is he going to protect the American public from terrorists, who have not even yet been identified?

http://snipurl.com/a1tw

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Kidnappping and killing is a daily reality in Iraq, but in the west the atrocitties go unrecorded and the dead are unnamed:

http://207.44.245.159/article 7135

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Prewar intelligence predicted Iraqi insurgency:

The moment when U.S. troops realized they had badly underestimated the resistance they would encounter from Iraqi guerrilla fighters can be pinpointed to the minute.

http://207.44.245.159/article7132.htm

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I Didn't Know I Was UnAmerican:
Song and Video:

Flash presentation:

http://207.44.245.159/article7126.htm

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Video: Uncovered:
In case you missed it: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War:

http://207.44.245.159/article6423.htm

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"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us. Justice William O.Douglas:

http://207.44.245.159/article7131

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Once on this site, look up a 60 second Video: So, You Want to Vote For Kerry? in Welcome to the Florida State Voting System.

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Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people." John Adams, August, 1765.