the end of jazz radio

[critic]

It se

[clave]

But you still have an actual radio station that broadcasts jazz programming. I'm envious!

The "end of jazz radio" is when stations go off the air because someone bought them and plans to use their call letters/frequency for other programming or -- in some cases -- nothing at all. Having listened to the final 2 hours of D.C.'s WDCU FM's last broadcast (they kept right on playing music until the plug was pulled), well.... that's finality.

[It Should be You]

But you still have an actual radio station that broadcasts jazz programming. I'm envious!

The "end of jazz radio" is when stations go off the air because someone bought them and plans to use their call letters/frequency for other programming or -- in some cases -- nothing at all. Having listened to the final 2 hours of D.C.'s WDCU FM's last broadcast (they kept right on playing music until the plug was pulled), well.... that's finality.

I taped a bunch of those final hours at WDCU. They really went out with great stuff! I learned a lot from their announcers.

I think their frequency went to C-Span radio, no?

[clave]

I taped a bunch of those final hours at WDCU. They really went out with great stuff! I learned a lot from their announcers.

I think their frequency went to C-Span radio, no?

I had tapes, too, but I had to tape over them -- I knew several of the DJs, and was an avid listener... That last night was pretty painful for me.

Yeah, C-Span bought the frequency, etc. but never did a daggoned thing with it! I know the District government needed money, but they would have been much better off leaving the station alone. (Though someone else would probably have bought it later on.)

[Louisville]

"Here's the Bird" was Charlie Byrd? Oh my... I wonder if they ever play anything from Duke Gillespie or Dizzy Ellington... A little Thelonious Brubeck might be nice, too...

That's why I always listen to KCSM or WBGO. Thank God for a high speed internet connction!

[3pointdeli]

in five years (maybe less), people who still listen to the radio will be considered every bit as loony and out of touch as civil war reenactors are today.

[Noj]

Somewhat related--my digital cable jazz channel is really good. They play jazz from all eras and often have the album cover displayed for each tune as well as the year of release and label. Even better, the artist's biographical information scrolls on the screen as the song plays.

[jazzdude]

Well thought out and totally accurate Aug. 29 post, critic! I think it's a bit extreme to say that jazz radio is dead, though. It is definitley being watered/dumbed down. Like so much in American culture today.

The post includes things I didn't know. Good stuff. I don't things will change for the better any time soon. There's probably only one way that will happen. And I hate to say it---a withholding of contributions during the pledge drives. But that, needless to say, is risky. If enough people do it it can sink the whole ship. And it won't be done unless it is organized. I heard that at a concert at the Museum of Contemporary Art this summer in Los Angeles someone was passing out a flyer about the situation at KKJZ, taking Judy J. (the GM) to task in particular. Is the above post that flyer, I wonder?

P.S. Actually, come to think of it, during the day the programming is sounding more and more like a smooth "jazz" station. Many people though are reluctant to say anything negative about the station because it is the only jazz station in town. It can be so much better, IMO. It is steadily degenerating.

[clave]

in five years (maybe less), people who still listen to the radio will be considered every bit as loony and out of touch as civil war reenactors are today

Maybe so for people with lots of money and access to expensive hardware and software... But I'm not so sure of its demise. People genuinely like radio, just as they like actual books.

I was surprised to find out that CB is a big deal in some parts of the D.C. area -- for local radio broadcasting. (On your block/in your neighborhood, for example.)

[vyr1908]

Joni Watch

This morning (8/27) Joni announced that she was going to play “Out Of Nowhere” from a cd by Teddy Edwards and Houston Person. Then she played “Equinox” a tune by John Coltrane. Not only did she not correct herself (how could she when she doesen’t know the difference) but the playlist lists “Out of Nowhere.” That means that Coltrane family won’t get the royalties. I remember when Ken Borgers used to brag about the “knowledgeable program hosts.” Now they’ve got people that don’t know the names of the musicians and don’t know the names of the tunes. Nice going.


Thanks for starting Joni Watch. I'm thinking about calling KKJZ's membership department and trying to find out if I can specifically exclude the morning show from a pledge. I don't want my money going to this pile of hot mess.

[3pointdeli]

Maybe so for people with lots of money and access to expensive hardware and software... But I'm not so sure of its demise. People genuinely like radio, just as they like actual books.

I was surprised to find out that CB is a big deal in some parts of the D.C. area -- for local radio broadcasting. (On your block/in your neighborhood, for example.)

i don't know what hardware and software you're talking about. from what i've seen, people who really care about music tend to listen to it on cds and records. i've never found a radio station that i'd be willing to listen to for more than a few minutes at a time. maybe i'm the only one who doesn't like 40 minutes worth of commercials and talk per hour, only to be rewarded with a few songs i've heard hundreds of times.

[jkelman]

i don't know what hardware and software you're talking about. from what i've seen, people who really care about music tend to listen to it on cds and records. i've never found a radio station that i'd be willing to listen to for more than a few minutes at a time. maybe i'm the only one who doesn't like 40 minutes worth of commercials and talk per hour, only to be rewarded with a few songs i've heard hundreds of times.

I'm with 3point here. Barring when I'm forced to (like when my car stereo is being repaired), or the rare occasion that CBC radio broadcasts a jazz performance of note, I never listen to the radio. I'm much more interested in hearing what *I* want to hear. And while radio used to be a great source to hear new things that would point your ears in new directions, that's no longer the case - at least around these here parts.

I rely on print, website audio samples, word of mouth and, to be honest, sometimes the completely unexpected to provide me with ideas for new music to check out. The radio has long since passed as a vehicle for exploration for my tastes.

Best,
John

[clave]

don't know what hardware and software you're talking about. from what i've seen, people who really care about music tend to listen to it on cds and records. i've never found a radio station that i'd be willing to listen to for more than a few minutes at a time. maybe i'm the only one who doesn't like 40 minutes worth of commercials and talk per hour, only to be rewarded with a few songs i've heard hundreds of times.

I thought you were referring to internet broadcastng.

[Fran]

I repeat myself, but if you want to hear a knowledgable old hand on a public radio station - tune in Dick Buckley at WBEZ in Chicago. OHH !!! How I miss him !!

[vyr1908]

Better yet, send a contribution reduced by the percentage of time the morning dumb-fest is on. Maybe that'll get their attention. I got so fed up with the entire operation I quit altogether. Pretty drastic for someone who used to give more than the minimum and who answered every request (back 15 years ago or so when they were trying to upgrade the transmitter to its current power) for additional contributions. But a "jazz" station that doesn't reveal the names of the musicians isn't a jazz station as I see it.

One reply was right in that it is less annoying to carry cds around, but the trouble with that is that I have counted on the radio to make me aware of new releases. It is also right that the radio doesn't really do that any more. We get a lot of new singers, but not much--if anything--of any substance.

Joni Watch, Megan division: Copp-land for (Aaron) Copland and Nis-TEEK-oh, for (Sal) Nistico. And today she referred to Michelangelo (whom she called Michael Angelo) as a "sculpture." Today, Joni apologized for mispronouncing Weidman; she never did acknowledge Roose for Rouse. But, y'know, it ain't her fault, it's the fault of whoever had the bright idea to hire her in the first place. It is all very sad.

I'm just dumbfounded that someone at the station would sign off on this. As I have said before, I know straightahead jazz listening is heavier in the afternoon and evening. But I don't think the morning show should be dumbed down, which it has.
Joni really started to annoy me after the station blew out Nick Roman and most of the news department and Megan was teamed with her. They're not a great fit for the format, obviously.

[jazzdude]

The Pledge Drive starts Sept. 10. It will be interesting to see if many people pledge during the 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. time period. Joni Caryl is symptomatic of the problem---a desparate flailing about trying to raise revenue. The article posted on this site about L.A. jazz radio from the Feb. 2004 issue of "all about jazz--L.A." (really about KKJZ) unfortunately was dead accurate. It's all about money and dumbing stuff down--- which go hand-in-hand. Someone in the article said that the higher ups at KKJZ are willing to try anything if they think it will pull in more money. (Today Caryl remarked that Buddy GULLETTE --not Collette--- was a national treasure. After a prerecorded segment she came back and got it right---Collette. I guess someone spoke to her real quick.) She really is in WAY over her head.

I have a feeling that the station is imploding.

At the crowded memorial service for Chuck Niles a few months ago a speaker said that Chuck was such a good DJ because he always announced the personnel on a tune.
I'm told, (I wasn't there) that this elicited a good amount of applause from the crowd!! At a memorial service! That clearly indicates to me that there is a good deal of dissatisfaction out there among jazz lovers.

I'm fed up with KKJZ. I won't be pledging anymore. This dumb down/watering down disease has crept/ is creeping to other parts of the station, i.e. the Carribbean show, the Vocal Jazz show, no more long songs or lengthy solos, hardly any more John Coltrane. Which brings to mind that Alice Coltrane has a new album out. The first one in looong time. And it probably ain't Mainstream, either. Let's see if it gets played at all.

[jazzcritic]

Having worked in public radio for nearly 2 decades, I find it strange that KKJZ would be discussing salaries on the air. No one should expect station managers, program directors, fundraisers (development and/or membership) and DJs can't be expected to work full time for free. But one has to talk about the overhead costs of operating a station: purchasing syndicated programming, acquiring, upgrading and maintaining equipment, money to upgrade back catalog CDs the station may need for its library, etc. But people are simply not going to give if they think their money is going for salaries, even though few stations have sufficient funding through a university, foundation or an endowment to pay all station salaries in full.

I'm not going to even get into the programming aspect. Suffice to say, that
too many DJs and PDs know far too little about jazz.

[jazzguyfromnc]

In my area apparently we're completely spoiled. We have two pretty good jazz stations. During weekdays especially, you can turn on and generally find some quality listening material.

http://www.wshafm.org/
http://www.wncu.org/

Both are from colleges, but both are pretty decent stations, especially the second one.

:clap:

[JazzLoveLive]

"Here's the Bird" was Charlie Byrd? Oh my... I wonder if they ever play anything from Duke Gillespie or Dizzy Ellington... A little Thelonious Brubeck might be nice, too...

That's why I always listen to KCSM or WBGO. Thank God for a high speed internet connction!

Lousiville, I agree with you! I listen to both KCSM and I am a member of WBGO. They play great music and they are constantly educating the listener. For example, WBGO had a two hour program on the making of John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme" which was very enlightening. It included several versions of each of the components of "A Love Supreme" and dialogue with the musicians discussing which takes would be included in the album.

KCSM and WBGO keep up the good work!

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[Noj]

But do they identify all the musicians on the piece? If you change one member of a jazz combo, you change the sound of the entire combo. Everyone should be identified.

Very true, it would be ideal if the digital cable jazz channel would simply transcribe the liner notes and display them for each tune. Line-ups, instruments, and all the relative information...that would be clutch. Radio meets AMG. Make it interactive, complete with discographies...

I rarely listen to the radio, but when I do it is KKJZ 88.1 FM Long Beach and they're always playing good stuff.

[jazzdude]

jazzcritic: I did not mean to imply that salaries were discussed over the air. I agree, that would be very strange. I was referring to an article which appeared in a local community newspaper about KKJZ last Feburary, part of a two part series. Someone called my attention to the article. This person said that since KKJZ is a "public" station salaries are supposed to be public, which I didn't know. The salaries of some management folks were disclosed, including that of the general manager of the station. She gets two salaries. I heard she was quite upset about this revelation. As were some of the jocks at the station.

The Coltrane show on WBGO sounds fascinating. Maybe I should pledge to that station instead. Up until about 2000 KKJZ was running "Piano Jazz," "Jazz Set," and "Making the Music," shows that I greatly missed. The reason given for discontinuing them was the expense.

[Noj]

Maybe I'm lucky and I just catch them at the right time. I might listen to the radio once every two months, when I forget a cd for the car.

[jazzdude]

That is the name of the article by Steve Propes (I heard he's a former DJ at the station) which appeared in the east L.B. weekly paper. Feb. 2004. It said that the GM gets a salary of a little over $125,000 plus perks (or maybe it includes them) and another salary of an undisclosed amount from Pacific Public Radio. And either the controller Mark Roberts or the station manager get $85,000/yr. I don't recall which one. As of 2002 the station owed the university and a bank $268,000. DJs get almost $40,000/yr. Maybe someone cast scan and post the article here.

[James]

Were the jocks upset because now we know how much they make, or how little?

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say they were mad at discovering how the GM was lining her pockets while simultaneously taking the station in the wrong direction.

[vyr1908]

My impression is not that someone "signed off" on this but that it is actually the way they want it. They must think they are going to increase revenue with this kind of mindless chatter. I subscribed originally because they played great music and told the names of the musicians. They don't do either one any more and it's not an accident. Maybe you can't have a jazz station these days, but it was the old policy that got them listeners--and subscribers--in the first place. I've got nothing against Joni or Megan; I just think they should be working somewhere else and KKJZ should become a jazz station again.

Bravo. I don't feel that the ladies fit the format. I mean, I'm enjoying KSDS-FM in San Diego more during the morning. (I live in OC, spend a lot of time in S.D. and was listening this morning to KSDS.)

[Valerie]

At the crowded memorial service for Chuck Niles a few months ago a speaker said that Chuck was such a good DJ because he always announced the personnel on a tune. I'm told, (I wasn't there) that this elicited a good amount of applause from the crowd!! At a memorial service! That clearly indicates to me that there is a good deal of dissatisfaction out there among jazz lovers.



I believe that was Shotgun Kelly(?) - a DJ - although not a jazz DJ as far as I know. He was a longtime friend of Chuck's.

[jazzdude]

The fall pledge drive for years has been in Oct. This year it's in September, right after the Blues Festival. This was the Station Manager's idea--an experiment. More experiments to come in the coming weeks and months. There are not many happy campers anymore at KKJZ. Stress. Tension.

This obviously will not be an 'experiment', but listeners to KJZZ should not be surprised if they tune in and one of their favorite long-time DJs is not there. Kat Tait is gone (although she was there less than a year). She will not return. More DJ heads may soon roll

The station is flailing about, trying this, that and whatever to bring in more money. I reread the "all about jazz" article on KKJZ. It was amazingly prophetic. Everything that it talked about is taking place before our ears.

[jazzdude]

Things she doesn't like she ignores or immediately banishes. Out of sight. Out of mind. She doesn't like conflict. When you get fired from the station you get a message on your home message machine. She then makes herself unavailable for sometime afterward.

I think she really DOES NOT know straightahead jazz. Ditto for the Station and Operations Managers. Listen closely when they are on the air. Listen to what they say and don't say about jazz. You gotta have a PASSION for jazz if you are management at a jazz station. They don't. They front and fake it on the air.

[jazzdude]

I would like to hear:

Jason Moran--the best young jazz pianist to emerge in years

Vijay Iyer--pianist of Indian descent

Andrew Hill

Art Ensemble of Chicago

Khalil El-Zabar's Ritual Trio

David Murray

Alice Coltrane--I doubt you will hear the new disc there. But you will hear Dave Koz on "soul jazz"

late John Coltrane

Pharaoh Sanders more "out" stuff

D.D. Jackson

Any one have any other suggestions?

.

[jazzdude]

After I read your comment I remebered that a few years ago I distinctly remember during a Pledge Drive shift she was on Payal Kumar saying that she was going to play music that was "not your parents jazz." An exact quote. That always stuck in my mind. I immediately thought it was a strange thing for a jazz disc jockey to say.

Your'e right. I think there is an attempt to narrow the range of jazz and to play other music (and call it jazz) to get more younger listeners and to get more money into the station. (And perhaps a raise for Judy J.) Ken Borgers in the "all about jazz" article said he was fired because they wanted a younger audience.

I am FOR broadening jazz out. But it has to be JAZZ. Not rock, pop, raggae, calypso, soul or funk. I grew up listening to most of that. I am VERY familiar with it. For what it is, it's OK. But most of it ain't jazz. It amazes me that a jazz station has room for James Brown, (funk), Dave Koz (instrumental pop) but not for the Art Ensemble of Chicago or Jason Moran. Now I know why. It's because of what critic said. That's it. It's an attempt to enlighten the old fogies. Bring 'em up to date. They fired well-informed program hosts like Ken Poston and others.

[vyr1908]

After I read your comment I remebered that a few years ago I distinctly remember during a Pledge Drive shift she was on Payal Kumar saying that she was going to play music that was "not your parents jazz." An exact quote. That always stuck in my mind. I immediately thought it was a strange thing for a jazz disc jockey to say.

Your'e right. I think there is an attempt to broaden jazz out to get more younger listeners and to get more money into the station. (And perhaps a raise for Judy J.) Ken Borgers in the "all about jazz" article said he was fired because they wanted a younger audience.

I am FOR broadening jazz out. But it has to be JAZZ. Not rock, pop, raggae, calypso, soul or funk. I grew up listening to most of that. I am VERY familiar with it. For what it is, it's OK. But most of it ain't jazz. It amazes me that a jazz station has room for James Brown, (funk), Dave Koz (instrumental pop) but not for the Art Ensemble of Chicago or Jason Moran. Now I know why. It's because of what critic said. That's it. It's an attempt to enlighten the old fogies. Bring 'em up to date. They fired well-informed program hosts like Ken Poston and others.

WTF? DAVE KOZ? I must have missed that. *shudder*

[Noj]

I was actually listening to them until very late in the evening this last Saturday, and was suprised by some of the selections. Early in the evening someone was spinning EXCELLENT vocal soul like OV Wright and Charles Wright--one great track after another. Great to hear music like this get some radio time.

Later in the evening someone played decent soul jazz tracks but mixed in some questionable remix tracks. I think it is a mistake to play remixes alongside jazz. They should have a remix/turntablist segment or something if they are going to play that type of stuff.

[jazzdude]

I want JAZZ on a jazz station. Not soul or pop music. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that on a jazz station. K-EARTH and KJLH bill themselves as rock/pop/soul stations. I know where to turn to for other styles of music on the radio dial and I sometimes do, i.e. classical, rock, pop, oldies, country, etc.

Can you imagine KUSC playing Duke Ellington? They did about 13 yrs. ago and the listeners revolted--- big time. They expect to hear European classical music. I expect to hear jazz (and blues mostly on the weekend). If management of a jazz station CONSISTENTLY refuses to fulfill that mission then that would indicate that they have another goal in mind or something up their sleeve. Perhaps they should be replaced by a management team that KNOWS jazz music and has a PASSION for it and will consistently play it on the air. I really don't think that is asking for much.

[Noj]

I'd be pleased as punch if KKJZ went with jazz and jazz only. No smooth jazz, leave that to the Wave. Just solid, straight ahead jazz.

I haven't heard other stations play the hip soul stuff KKJZ played Saturday when I listened. In fact, I've only heard that stuff when I've played it myself. KEARTH and KJLH play the same set of tracks over and over, from what I remember.

[jazzdude]

That's the point. I don't want KKJZ to play JUST straigtahead. That is part of the problem. The narrowing of the jazz music being played. Jazz is the most stylistacally diverse music there is. I WANT them to play straightahead. And Brazillian jazz. And avant-garde. And Mainstream. And Hard Bop. And Cool. And Third Stream. And Free Jazz. And Loft Jazz. And Bop. And Vocal Jazz. And Latin Jazz. And Soul Jazz.

KKJZ's LP and CD library is HUGE since it also contains the old KKGO library. When KKGO went classical KLON said they acquired the KKGO library. That's when Chuck Niles came over. All of these styles of jazz must be there. We only hear a very small sampling of jazz styles from it. Why?

I went to Saturday's "Soul Jazz" playlist. Some of it is jazz. I never denied that, e.g. George Benson, Grant Green, Poncho Sanchez. Much of it isn't. "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag" is a great R&B classic. KEARTH plays it all the time. I hear it there. It's R&B. Not jazz.
I'm sorry, Macy Gray is not jazz. I'm sure she would not be too hard to find on a pop station. Curtis Mayfield was a great soul singer, especially with his politcally concious lyrics. He can be heard on KLJLH and KPFK. He is not jazz. A talk show host on another station for years used a Curtis Mayfield song as his theme. There are other examples but I think my point is made.

I'll let others comment on the "remixing" of classic songs by Sarah Vaughn and Nina Simone played on "Soul Jazz". I noticed that these remixes of songs by jazz singers is seldom if ever done to living jazz vocalists. I wonder why.

You let Helen, James or Scott play one of those Billie or Carmen McCrae "remixes" and see what the listener response will be!

And why the need to "remix" classic songs by Nina Simone, Carmen, Billie and others? Didn't they sing it right the first time?

[jazzdude]

critic,
Ken Borgers was fired by the person who does all the firing---the General Manager. It is usually done by leaving a message on the victim's (I mean person's) home answering machine. Said GM then makes herself unavailable for sometime afterwards.

[jazzcritic]

I seem to remember that at one time Ken Borgers was once Program Director at KLON but he stepped down when he launched his unfortunately short-lived magazine Jazz Review. From the sound of this thread and my experience writing for Ken's magazine, it seems obvious that he knows a helluva lot more than the obvious incompetent running KKJZ-FM.

It sounds like management is trying to dumb down the sound to a younger demographic to "broaden the audience," but watch membership gifts and underwriting sales go down the crapper, as veteran supporters abandon the station.

Remixes of Sarah Vaughan and Nina Simone? What kind of moron plays this trash? Aren't the originals good enough, or do they have to be "made accessible" for those with no appreciation of jazz?

I'm sorry, but it's my opinion that remixes without the artist's consent have no place in jazz. Any label or estate which authorizes remixes of a deceased artist's work with DJs deserves all the flack they receive. And can you imagine how Louis Armstrong would have reacted to the remix of "What a Wonderful World" by Kenny G? He would have recommended Swiss Kriss to all parties involved in the making of it.

[Noj]

I notice you don't mention the playlist by the preceding DJ. He spun some heavy shit, not obvious choices like "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag" (which is still heavy if you haven't oversaturated yourself with it via the radio).

Maybe they could make each day a microcosm of the history of jazz. Start at the beginning in the morning and finish in the present in the evening. Or the progression could be song by song, such that within 30 or so songs one could hear every era/style of jazz from its very genesis to the farthest bounds of present-day avante-garde. Or it could digress through history.

I'd like to hear all the styles of jazz too, I've got no fences.

[jazzdude]

It's done with allot of hard work and time. Discussing goals, strategy and tactics. House meetings. Reaching out via leafletting at jazz events. Trying to establish contacts on the "inside." Pledge Drive withholding or reductions. Articles in the major press.The list is endless.

I don't have the time. Do you, critic... or anyone else?

[Noj]

Remixes of Sarah Vaughan and Nina Simone? What kind of moron plays this trash? Aren't the originals good enough, or do they have to be "made accessible" for those with no appreciation of jazz?

I'm sorry, but it's my opinion that remixes without the artist's consent have no place in jazz. Any label or estate which authorizes remixes of a deceased artist's work with DJs deserves all the flack they receive. And can you imagine how Louis Armstrong would have reacted to the remix of "What a Wonderful World" by Kenny G? He would have recommended Swiss Kriss to all parties involved in the making of it.

I must say this is scraping the very bottom of what DJs are capable of. The Verve remix thing was doodoo (I bought the Verve Unmixed compilations for clean copies of original tracks like Nina Simone's "Feeling Good").

Kenny G is not a good artist, and the Louis Armstrong thing was an abomination.

Remixing itself is a poor representation of what DJs are capable of, for the most part. I think nearly every remix of an old song I've heard has turned out to be a watered down version of a superior original.

I have a few strange remixes in which the DJ changed everything in the music enough to avoid this mistake. For example, RJD2 has made some intriguing tracks using old a cappella vocals, as has King Kooba.

It is a good idea to avoid spinning the remix stuff alongside originals. Remixes are not jazz, I agree. So spin jazz next to jazz, DJ music next to DJ music.

I get the impression older listeners hate drum machines. They are like poison to ears so accustomed to live drums.

[3pointdeli]

I get the impression older listeners hate drum machines. They are like poison to ears so accustomed to live drums.

i'm not an "older listener", but i'm usually turned off by drum machines. i wouldn't say it has to do with the sound of a drum machine vs. the sound of live drums as much as it has to do with the lack of FEEL that you get when you use a machine instead of a musician.

[Valerie]

ha He seems to be too busy trying to get girl singers to like him by giving them gushing reviews. (Or is Jane Monheit really the greatest thing since...)

ROTFL, Critic!!!

[RDK]

Let's keep in mind that "real jazz" (as oppossed to modern "smooth jazz") is a very small part of the CD market and, I would assume, doesn't attract huge radio ratrings either. I agree that the state of jazz radio sucks, but I suspect the reason that KJAZ (or whatever they're calling themselves these days - I don't listen much anymore) is playing less classic/traditional jazz and more pop/blues/smooth is because they're after bigger ratings. Can't blame them for that - give the people what they want and all that. It just sucks that what "we" want is not what the majority of radio listeners (even jazz radio listeners) appear to want. I, too, miss the old days...

[3pointdeli]

I apologize for my lack of cultural awareness. What does ROTFL mean?

i think it means "rolling on the floor laughing" short for ROTFLMAO, which adds "my ass off".

[jazzdude]

In one of the remix discs there is...hold in your dinner....one of Billie Holliday singing "Strange Fruit," complete with electronica!

I'm glad that Don Heckman may be aware of the situation. Jazz coverage in the "Times" is almost non existent since they made the format change in the Calendar section more than a year ago. I met Heckman a few years ago before the format change and he said it was a real struggle to get ANY jazz coverage in the "Times." There was allot of opposition from the editor of the Calendar section. He lost the struggle.

There is more concern and opposition "inside" than you think. Yes, they are QUITE afraid.

I expect another DJ or two (already on staff, with very little knowledge of the music) to soon be given more airtime. I hope I'm wrong. This entire situation will get worse before it gets better. I would expect more changes for the worse after the Pledge Drive.

In that regard, be sure to listen to your favorite disc jockey who knows the music between now and the next month or so to see if that person suddenly disappears. ( The analogy to Stalin is quite apropos. "Inside" it's like the Soviet Union in 1938 when people suddenly disappeared and you are not suppose to ask what happened to them. I don't exaggerate.)

[jazzdude]

Fear and loathing inside KKJZ.

I just heard that staff people were inside the phone room taking listeners pledge amounts. I heard this a few times throughout the drive. That probably means not enough listeners volunteered to answer the phones.

[jazzcritic]

Originally Posted by Noj

I get the impression older listeners hate drum machines. They are like poison to ears so accustomed to live drums.

Noj:

Instead I would say seasoned, knowledgable jazz listeners have no use for drum machines. To me, adding drum machines in a jazz setting is like adding Cheez Whiz to a gourmet banquet. Only neophytes will touch them.

Jazz remixes may appeal to young listeners, but why add all that crap (turntables hardly rank as a legitimate jazz instrument, any more than a laptop) to something that wasn't broken in the first place?

CDs that arrive with either drum machines or turntablists are promptly disposed of right after I find them in my mailbox. It's like adding additional colors on top of a long acclaimed masterpiece and claiming that new art has been conceived. As Art Fleming used to say on the original Jeopardy!: "No, sorry..."

It's my opinion, and labels are welcome to cater to the public. Just don't expect any good reviews from me.

[Noj]

I think drum machines and sampling and DJs have their own place in their own genre. I do not think turntables are legitimate jazz instruments, but legitimate musical instruments nonetheless.

I could call myself a "seasoned, knowledgeable" jazz listener--but I'm just a music freak. :cheers

[jazzdude]

I was told that people who don't like what the station is doing should write letters to management. They will be read. Acted upon? Not in my opinion. It is better to write letters rather than send e-mails. They will likely be deleted, claiming that they were never recieved.

[jazzdude]

Excerpts from an east Long Beach community newsweekly, "Long Beach Beachcomber" in an article written by Steve Propes, Feb. 2004:

"The CPB web page indicates that an audit found that KLON "materially overstated" their income to the CBP in 1998 and 1999. That's important because the CPB grant is based on an income the station generates. In general terms, the higher the income, the higher the grant.

In the case of KLON , the station claimed "reported net revenue from special fundraising activities" as $564, 168, while the CPB audit found "actual revenue from fundraising" was $30, 944, a difference of $533,244. In particular the Long Beach Blues Festival and Blues Caravan which claimed to have generated income of over half a million dollars, essentially broke even according to the CPB audit, while the two Jazz Caravans brought in just over $30,000. As a result, the audit recommended "that CPB recover $52,834.

And...

KKJZ's indebtness might partially derive from what appears to be a substantial payroll, beginning with the staion's general manager, who in 2002-2003 fiscal year recieved a base salary of $106,500 from the school, as well as benefits, for total university compensation of $123, 754 as well as a salary from Pacific Public Radio (though PPR agreed to assume 25 percent of these costs as of April 2003). The station's total payroll for 2001 amounted to $1,419,833 of a total station budget of over three and a half million dollars.

As of 2002, at least five other KKJZ employees were receiving pay in excess of $50,000, an underwriting specialist, a newly created position was earning $86,145 and the chief financial officer (Mark Roberts, my emphasis) was earning $104, 708, a $20,000 increase over 2001. According to another source, on air talent was earning in the range of $40,000 a year compared to $50,000 earned by the general manager of another high profile public radio station, KPFK. However, another unnamed source, who had acted as general manager of another public radio station commentied that these high salaries are not unheard of in "corporate public radio."

What CPB took away is being returned in other grants. For example, in Oct. 2003, CPB awarded more than $3 million in grants to 42 public station to use digital technology to deliver a new level of service and sound to millions of listeners. The grants, CPB's first invetments in digital radio, will help stations purchase the equipment needed to transmit digital signal." Along with public radio stations in L.A., Northridge, Pasadena and Los Angeles, the list of recipients includes KKJZ.

[jazzdude]

More quotes:
" KKJZ's most recent drive of four drives a year "made ten per cent over the $500,000 goal" said a source close to the station. But KKJZ is also learning some equivilent hard lessons in accounting. During the most recent drive an on-air personality was lobbying for listener support with this pitch: " We get money from the government but that's only $200,000 and that's gone in a couple of days. We're not a regular business. We're a radio station and money goes fast aroud here." But that all important government grant of over $200,000 is being reduced for three years beginning in the 2003-2004 fiscal year."

And...

"Further the station recieved rent-free studio space from the university in a bldg. constructed in 1950. KLON "improperly claimed the value of $88,224 per year to these quarters," according to CPB. Based on this disallowed income, "We recommend that CPB recover $16,799 for years 1998 and 1999 bringing the total the station owes to $69,633." However to lessen the impact of the overpayment the CPB has allowed the station to return the money over a period of three years.

Further in 2002 Cal State L.B. supplied financial support of $56,136 to the station. As of 2002, KLON owed $131,200 to the university and $137,513 on a $200,000 bank credit line that expired in June 2003. The books for 2003 were not available , but when asked about the station's recent debt, board member Matt Knabe, aide to L.A. County Supervisor Don Knabe stated, "It's a public radio station and money's always tight." Asked about the CPB sanctions, the generally informative Knabe stated, " I have no comment on that. I'ts not my area of expertise."

KKJZ indebtness might partially derive from...(continued on the post above).

[vyr1908]

In one of the remix discs there is...hold in your dinner....one of Billie Holliday singing "Strange Fruit," complete with electronica!

I'm glad that Don Heckman may be aware of the situation. Jazz coverage in the "Times" is almost non existent since they made the format change in the Calendar section more than a year ago. I met Heckman a few years ago before the format change and he said it was a real struggle to get ANY jazz coverage in the "Times." There was allot of opposition from the editor of the Calendar section. He lost the struggle.

There is more concern and opposition "inside" than you think. Yes, they are QUITE afraid.

I expect another DJ or two (already on staff, with very little knowledge of the music) to soon be given more airtime. I hope I'm wrong. This entire situation will get worse before it gets better. I would expect more changes for the worse after the Pledge Drive.

In that regard, be sure to listen to your favorite disc jockey who knows the music between now and the next month or so to see if that person suddenly disappears. ( The analogy to Stalin is quite apropos. "Inside" it's like the Soviet Union in 1938 when people suddenly disappeared and you are not suppose to ask what happened to them. I don't exaggerate.)

I'm wondering about this, too. Besides Katt, I think they clipped Shawnee Smith. I went to the Web site and saw where they had two new program hosts. I Googled Kellen Yamanaka, and found out that he's a drummer and was involved in jazz programs at the University of Pennsylvania.

[jazzdude]

Yep, she's gone, too. She didn't know the music. She was outta there in August. Kat Tait had more knowledge. I'm listening to WBGO now. And loving it.

[jazzdude]

That's true. That's not why she was fired. I should not have said that, implying that it was for that reason. It was over some minor technical issue.

[vyr1908]

Yep, nothing says "jazz" quite like an Ivy League education. On the other hand, he sounds nice (as did Katt and Shawnee) and he may know what he's talking about, but under the new policy I guess we'll never find out. A couple of years ago I thought it couldn't get any worse; that shows what I know. It gets worse every day.

I finally heard Peter Cincotti. He sounds like a lounge act at the Holiday Inn.

CTFU @ the Ivy League education as well as Cincotti. Katt was knowledgeable, and I miss her.
Today, Joni was w/o Megan. Joni's still lame and I wish to Gawd that she was gone, but at least some of the inane chatter was blunted.

[vyr1908]

My cultural deficiencies and/or age are showing agian--I don't get "CTFU @ the Ivy League education..." I don't mean to be hard on Kellen, who may be an expert--as I said, how will we ever know? The Ivy League gave jazz at least one classic. Remember Harvard Blues (Basie, 1941)?

What I was saying is that I was cracking the f**k up at your comments, particularly the post about Joniandmegan gushing over Peter Cincotti. I know there's a dearth of male jazz singers under 60 years of age, but I don't think a low-budget Harry Connick Jr. is something that needs to be promoted.

This week, Paul James is filling in for Joni. Paul seems to be handling his business. This morning, Megan did her fluff and Paul didn't chitchat with her. That was a relief.

[Valerie]

What I was saying is that I was cracking the f**k up at your comments, particularly the post about Joniandmegan gushing over Peter Cincotti. I know there's a dearth of male jazz singers under 60 years of age, but I don't think a low-budget Harry Connick Jr. is something that needs to be promoted.

This week, Paul James is filling in for Joni. Paul seems to be handling his business. This morning, Megan did her fluff and Paul didn't chitchat with her. That was a relief.

It's been a complete relief yesterday and today with Joni gone. She means well and tries *so* hard but is completely out of her element. Megan without anyone to chit-chat with her and sticking to her "interviews" and announcements is bearable.

[jazzdude]

I tuned a little today to listen to Paul James. In a word--refreshing. Make that two words---very refreshing. But management has still got to go. I'm sticking with my new love--WBGO.

I lisented a wee bit to Sean H. blues show this past Saturday. Really bad. Like early rock and roll. Lots of screaming guitar solos. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. But not one after the other for 5 hours!

That show is more like an early rock and roll show. Embarassingly bad. Very limited knowledge of the blues, too. Unlike Doug McCloud's show which is much more bearable. But jazz is my first love, by far.

[jazzdude]

We all know how bad Joni Caryl is. Let's move on.

[Valerie]

Joined at the unhip is what they are.

ROTFL!!! Excellent!

[Valerie]

I have relied on jazz radio to acquaint me with new artists and new work by artists I already know. In the past it has done just that. You may be right about a dead horse, but there is such dissatisfaction with the way KKJZ is run that I am encouraged to think that change might be possible. It sounds like you have given up on that. I have no problem with Joni Caryl; I think she should go to work somewhere else and leave jazz radio to people who know jazz. I DO have a problem with whoever hired her. And as I said before, I started this discussion with the sole purpose of encouraging a discussion of what can be done to bring back jazz radio. If you don't like reading it, read something else.

*Amen* and thank you!!

[James]

A few days ago I returned my membership form with a request to be removed from the KJAZZ mailing list. I let them know that the horrible management decisions re. programming and dj hiring, as well as inflated management salaries were what drove my decision to discontinue membership.

If management has any brains whatsoever, they will track membership records when they get letters like mine --- and when they do so will recognize that they have lost long time supporters.

[clave]

P.S. Since this thread was established specifically to respond to the damage done by KKJZ management, maybe you should read something else.

With a general title like "The End of Jazz Radio," who in the heck knew -- other than yourself -- that this thread was "supposed" to be all about KKJZ and Joni Caryl?

You (maybe I should say "a handful of you") seem to feel that you're the only people who've had the rug pulled out from under you re. good jazz radio programming. That's simply not true, and you're going to need to get over your indignation at some point, because things are unlikely to get any better... I wish all of the good jazz stations/programs that used to exist all over the US would reappear, just like that, but you know what? That's magical thinking (wishing makes it so), and it's never going to happen.

D.C.-area residents had a terrific station stolen and trashed back in the 1990s. (If you look at some of the early posts in this thread, you'll see that that's true.) I still miss it like crazy, but life goes on.

And I'm sorry your station has (apparently) gone downhill. Be glad some of your programming is still decent (judging from KKJZ's playlists), and that you have an actual radio staton out there!

For those who want to hear new albums/artists, satellite radio's a reasonable (though far from perfect) alternative. And the personnel is competent, too....

[James]

*Amen* and thank you!!

(In response to critic's thoughtful post #95)

Allow me to add a LOUD **AMEN** to Valerie's AMEN!! A huge part of the benefit to listening to your local jazz station is to find out what's happening in terms of live jazz events around town. Not going to get that on satellite radio, or by switching to an out-of-town station via a webstream. So it's SURELY worthwhile to kick up some stink when your local station lets you down. And to hell with the fatalistic "well --- get over it --- it's happening all over the country" attitude.

That being said, moments ago I became a member of WBGO. And immediately forwarded my thank you e-mail from the station over to KJAZZ with another note as to why I switched allegiance.

[clave]

That being said, moments ago I became a member of WBGO. And immediately forwarded my thank you e-mail from the station over to KJAZZ with another note as to why I switched allegiance.

I think I'd have done the same thing in your case.

As far as publicity on local jazz gigs, etc,. well, sure -- radio's the best way. I wish we had it....

[James]

Something occurred to me as I was reaching for a coffee cup this morning. My KJAZZ coffee mug has decreased in value as a result of the events of which we've been speaking, while my KLON coffee mug, T-shirts and baseball cap have *increased* significantly in value. Oh --- as well as the small KLON window decal on my passenger side window.

Guess I better take care of my Honda --- as I'll never be able to sell it!!

[Jack Good]

Is there a jazz version of "Taps?" It's needed for the upcoming funeral of what used to be a dynamite "straight-ahead" (in the words of the inimitable Chuck Niles) station. "Bebop Charlie" must be spinning in his grave at what's increasingly happening at KKJZ, Cal State Long Beach. I quit listening to the morning show (6-10) two weeks after the annoying Joni Caryl debuted - her gushing manner, cluelessness and "jazz lite" format make me wanna scratch myself. ENOUGH with the jazz guitar and female vocalists, okay? Her screeching cohort is merely a nuisance. The program is an insult to what used to be a terrific start to the day (thank you, Alfredo Cruz - good to see you land on your feet) and the station's listeners. I've been a paid-up member (and volunteer) since 1989 - I won't be renewing in the upcoming drive. Last week, I bought a one-year Sirius membership, streamer and boombox. A 24-hour "PureJazz" station plays the music I want - AND NO JONI CARYL! When/if she meets the same fate as the lamentable (and, thankfully, brief) graveyard host, Shawnee Smith, somebody please let me know. Whomever at KKJZ appoints these people needs a swift kick in the rear. Wake me when the bad dream's over.

[vyr1908]

Is there a jazz version of "Taps?" It's needed for the upcoming funeral of what used to be a dynamite "straight-ahead" (in the words of the inimitable Chuck Niles) station. "Be-bop Charlie" must be spinning in his grave at what's increasingly happening at KKJZ, Cal State Long Beach. I quit listening to the morning show (6-10) two weeks after the annoying Joni Caryl debuted - her gushing manner, cluelessness and "jazz lite" format make me wanna scratch myself. ENOUGH with the jazz guitar and female vocalists, okay? Her screeching cohort is merely a nuisance. The program is an insult to what used to be a terrific start to the day (thank you, Alfredo Cruz - good to see you land on your feet) and the station's listeners. I've been a paid-up member (and volunteer) since 1989 - I won't be renewing in the upcoming drive. Last week, I bought a one-year Sirius membership, streamer and boombox. A 24-hour "PureJazz" station plays the music I want - AND NO JONI CARYL! When/if she meets the same fate as the lamentable (and, thankfully, brief) graveyard host, Shawnee Smith, somebody please let me know. Whomever at KKJZ appoints these people needs a swift kick in the rear. Wake me when the bad dream's over.

Excellent post. I don't mind jazz guitar, but I'm also tired of female vocalists, jazz lite and soccer-mom style of the hosts. What I noticed, though, is that the morning show really started circling the drain after KKJZ management blew out nearly all of the news dept. except for JC's "screeching cohort," as you so very well put it.
I also don't want to give money to this station.

[Frank Mullen]

I've been skimming your comments about KKJZ and sympathize with your plight, but would someone tell me where this mizzuble station is?

At least you guys have a jazz station to bitch about which is a bit better than no station at all. Thank God for the internet. :confused2

[Marcello]

I've been skimming your comments about KKJZ and sympathize with your plight, but would someone tell me where this mizzuble station is?

At least you guys have a jazz station to bitch about which is a bit better than no station at all. Thank God for the internet. :confused2

Los Angeles, Frank.

This is one of the FIVE full time Jazz stations on America. That's just one of the reasons for the sad comments; the other is that in a large city such as L.A., a watered down product is bad for the real artists that have such a hard time being heard, as it is.

By the way, the other full time, 24 hour Jazz stations in the U.S. are:
WGMC - Rochester, New York
WBGO - Newark, N.J.
KUVO - Denver, CO
KSDS - San Diego, CA

[vyr1908]

I've been skimming your comments about KKJZ and sympathize with your plight, but would someone tell me where this mizzuble station is?

At least you guys have a jazz station to bitch about which is a bit better than no station at all. Thank God for the internet. :confused2

When you put it that way, it does make sense. We're sort of blessed, but speaking for myself, I'm spoiled. Before I came back to SoCal in 2000, I was listening to KUNV-FM in Las Vegas, which was very schizophrenic. It was playing smooth jazz on a part-time basis, a commercially viable format that shouldn't, IMO, be on listener-supported radio.

So I was pleased to come back and have two pretty much full-time jazz stations available to me. I am a part-time San Diego resident and enjoy KSDS, too.

It was a joy to hear Chuck Niles (RIP) in the afternoons. Nothing greater than driving down PCH and hearing that marvelous, craggy voice and that tasteful music, along with KKJZ's other solid jocks such as Fields, Borgers, Janisse, Willis and Alfredo Cruz.

The chatty patties just don't measure up and belong on some AC station or something. JMO.

[HepCat@30]

I encourage you to call the radio station and impart to them that such ineptitude is inexcusable. This program host had done a great disservice to the station's listeners by dispensing misinformation to the public. Dedicated listeners whom support that radio station should demand that personalities clean up their act. Nip slight indications of recklessness in the bud before it it grows out of hand. Or else, you can just consider this another nail in the coffin of our beloved thus dying art form.

[vyr1908]

I encourage you to call the radio station and impart to them that such ineptitude is inexcusable. This program host had done a great disservice to the station's listeners by dispensing misinformation to the public. Dedicated listeners whom support that radio station should demand that personalities clean up their act. Nip slight indications of recklessness in the bud before it it grows out of hand. Or else, you can just consider this another nail in the coffin of our beloved thus dying art form.

I intend to write the GM and the board, although judging from previous posts on this subject, I doubt anyone would listen.
What will be interesting is that their pledge drive starts tomorrow and I wonder if longtime listeners who are strong financial supporters will cut back and send a message.

[Jack Good]

Just tuned in (7:30 am PST) to KKJZ's morning show for start of the membership drive. I quit listening to this time slot (6-10) two weeks after Joni "Clueless" Caryl debuted last year. Sixty seconds of Clueless and her screeching sidekick ("This is SO exciting!") reinforce my opinion that Chuck Niles must have hated going to work the last few months of his illustrious career. (How long before Kenny G. and other WAVE feebs sneak onto the playlist?). Judy Jankowski ($150,000-a-year station general manager, board director, Pacific Public Radio honcho) has a lot to answer for. In the Cockney parlance of the East End of London, shagging with the bell-end of a ragman's trumpet would be a most appropriate retribution. (Brit ragman: U.S. junkman, a la TV's Sanford and Son). Suggestion: do what I did - call the membership drive (800/767-3688) to make your feelings known ... you will NOT be pledging until Clueless is gone and there's a change of direction at the station. Now, if you'll excuse me, I gotta get back to the "straight ahead" sound of the "PureJazz" station on Sirius satellite radio (that's where my KKJZ membership renewal money went - and worth every penny). KKJZ: RIP.

[James]

I just phoned in my "non-pledge" and was informed that my sentiments would be passed on to the powers that be. This is our chance to exercise our vote here, folks --- don't let it slip by!

[clinthopson]

I haven't posted here in a long time but a nice note from Jack Good inspired me.

I have supporterd the station since Ken Borgers invented the format about 25 years ago. During that time we have made substantial contributions to the station, probably about $5,000.

We've cut back in our contributions in the last couple of years because of the appearance of characters like Joni Caryl and departed Cat. Now we've decided to stop altogether.

Scott Willis and Sam Fields play pretty good jazz but every one on the station seems to be fixed on the "Best of" format. I like Lee Morgan's "Ceora" but I believe he made some other pretty good records.

What's the last time the station played "Free For All?" Or any other cut which was not in their top 80 list?

I called the pledge number and was told to call the membership service number, of course they are off today.

I've expressed my displeasure to Jankowski and others before, but it's on deaf ears (tin ears?).

If they want our money again they'd better get Kenny back and some knowledgable djs.

[James]

I have supporterd the station since Ken Borgers invented the format about 25 years ago. During that time we have made substantial contributions to the station, probably about $5,000.




This is an absolutely *key* point. I've been donating to KLON & KJAZZ for years as well -- not $5,000 --- but a pretty good bundle nevertheless.
As I mentioned before, if the station management were smart they'd be tracking the loss of long-time supporters like Clint and others. So it's on us to make it known when we tell KJAZZ that we're walking exactly how long we've been sending them $$. As long as our pledges are matched by those of new members I'm sure Jankowski won't bother to consider the position of disenfranchised long-term members who leave in disgust --- she really couldn't care less. As long as her fat salary stays intact. The word loyalty is clearly NOT in her vocabulary.

[Jack Good]

... for some illuminating input/feedback, and today's KKJZ rant, see thread Jazz Radio Personalities & Shows ...

[montg]

ENOUGH with the jazz guitar and female vocalists, okay?

AMEN!! This is the modus operandi for my local jazz station (WGLT in central Illinois) and probably for many other staions as well. I fear this type of programming does more harm than good---neophytes hear this on the radio and think, "oh this is what jazz must be all about..click." Muzak.

[James]

Jack ---- kindly check your private messages.

[Jack Good]

... see thread Jazz Radio Personalities & Shows for input/feedback and contact info for KKJZ board of directors. Straight ahead, man!

[jazzdude]

As announced on air the KKJZ Winter 2005 final tally:

$238,162
1,866 new and renewing members

[vyr1908]

As announced on air the KKJZ Winter 2005 final tally:

$238,162
1,866 new and renewing members

*snicker* How much was that below the goal?

[jazzdude]

The goal was $500,000. That's 47% of the goal.

[vyr1908]

The goal was $500,000. That's 47% of the goal.

If I were on the board, that would raise a red flag, particularly if older, veteran, sustaining members aren't giving. I understand the need to get somewhat younger, but I still maintain that dumbing down isn't the answer.
But who am I?

[James]

With you on that one, vyr. If I had to venture a guess, I'd guess that what KJAZZ experienced this time out was a *record* lack of support. 47% of their goal? When has that happened before?

[jazzcritic]

$127 and change is not a bad average gift, but any station which only achieves 47% of a memberhsip drive goal obviously has some major problems to tackle. If they were raising anything like $500,000 per drive in the past, they are in dire straights. It sounds like they are in great need of outside consultants with unbiased viewpoints to take a long look at programming and their fundraising machine.

[jazzdude]

The amounts raised during each Fund Drive greatly varied. Anywhere from about $305,000 to a little over $500,000. The just completed drive was probably one of the lowest amounts raised in years, if ever. I'm sure this was a great shock. What with all the excitement being generated by the Spring signal/power increase.

What will they do? Managment will probably hang in there, duck and cover, make a few cosmetic changes, tough it out and try and make a big comeback during the next Pledge Drive, probably in April.

[Jack Good]

... see thread Jazz Radio Personalities & Shows for on-the-money cold hard facts and KKJZ rant of the day ...

[all that jazz]

I thought you were referring to internet broadcastng.
If you would like to good Jazz 24 hours a day, without advertising and interruptions, log onto my internet jazz radio at www.jazz-radio.fm which is actually listed at No.4 on Google from over 11,000,000 sites under "jazz radio"
there are over 130 countries logging on and around 25,000 visits a week, so there are quite a few jazz lovers who enjoy listening to it, last year for instance we logged up over 870,000 listener hours.

[jazzdude]

starts Jan. 26. I'm pledging on-line.
Visit their great web site: www.wbgo.org

[all that jazz]

But you still have an actual radio station that broadcasts jazz programming. I'm envious!

The "end of jazz radio" is when stations go off the air because someone bought them and plans to use their call letters/frequency for other programming or -- in some cases -- nothing at all. Having listened to the final 2 hours of D.C.'s WDCU FM's last broadcast (they kept right on playing music until the plug was pulled), well.... that's finality.

May I suggest that you log onto my internet jazz radio at www.jazz-radio.fm which is broadcasting real jazz 24 hours a day and you can also click through to my live jazz programs on the international radio in Spain, through the site, I have features and interviews on my weekend programs, incidentally my site is in the top 10 on Google under "jazz radio" and has listeners in over 130 countries, much of my music is from the 50's and 60's, with no Avante Garde or Smoothe. Let me know what you think about my efforts.

[Jack Good]

see thread JAZZ RADIO PERSONALITIES AND SHOWS for rant of the day re KKJZ - featuring "JazzLite" Jankowski, "Clueless" Caryl and the Screaming Meemie ...

[WestCoast Ghost]

I've worked in public radio for only a couple of years, but I can tell you that making 47% of a goal is disastrous. The cited drive may be the worst I've ever heard about in that matter. What were their goals in the past? Any way you cut it, a terrible showing... terrible is really too mild a word for it.

[jazzdude]

The goal for each Pledge Drive at KKJZ is pretty much the same, three times a year---$500,000 each Drive.

[jazzdude]

An old thread that may be easily overlooked.

[Jim R]

An old thread that may be easily overlooked.
I had never opened this thread before... a pretty interesting read.

So, why no update when you upped this thread? What's happened since February?

I find some aspects of this discussion kind of worrisome, in terms of comparing some of the problems at KKJZ with some of those I've encountered on our local (SF Bay Area) station, KCSM (for years a well-known 24-hour jazz station with a web presence, which I don't believe was even mentioned in this thread). Alisa Clancy's morning show has sometimes become a confusing blend of miscellaneous musics having little or nothing to do with jazz; for years they've featured WAY too many vocalists, including a few too many having no business singing, let alone having record contracts; and many a time I've listened during the late-night hours to communications majors who struggle to pronounce the simplest and most widely-known names in the history of the music.

Still, it is in many ways an excellent station. I don't agree with those who said (early in the thread, as I recall) that radio is (or ought to be) a thing of the past, or that it's useless to someone with a large music collection (as I happen to have). It's still the best way I know to gain exposure to more music, more artists.

BTW, I don't quite understand the complaints about "jazz guitar". I've certainly read complaints from some people over the years that it all sounds the same (and things to that effect), but as a guitarist and long-time jazz guitar enthusiast, I have objections to certain stereotypical views on the subject. In other words, why pick on the guitar? Or are we talking about an overload of smooth jazz guitar? Or... what?

[James]

Hi Jim --- this thread was running concurrently with another titled "Jazz Radio Personalities and Shows." At the point when a number of us began to express discontent with KKJZ we actually should have started a new thread on the subject. Be that as it may, there is now a thread dealing specifically with KKJZ related issues entitled "KKJZ Thread." The reason that jazzdude upped this thread was as a reminder that there is more posting relating to KKJZ than is found on KKJZ Thread.

As a fan of jazz guitar, I nevertheless appreciate comments relating to the "guitar heavy" programming imbalance, as well as the "weak vocal" imbalance to which you alluded to re. the S.F. station. I'd have the same objection if the programming was "horn heavy" --- neglecting guitar, vibes, flute, etc. It's simply an issue of balance --- no disrespect intended to the guitar, I'm certain.

The reason that this subject [on the three seperate threads] has sustained itself for as long as it has is in largest measure due to the passion that some of us feel regarding the responsibility that jazz radio has with regard to supporting the music & musicians. Not to mention the sense of betrayal we feel having supported the station over a span of many years.

[Jack Good]

*** Jim R / James et al: see KKJZ Thread. Straight ahead, man ...

[Jim R]

Thanks, guys. I had forgotten about the other thread. Wow... 14 pages- and I thought this one was long!

[jazzdude]

Bump No. 2

[clinthopson]

So the rodents at KKJZ can't take the heat so they get a cease and desist order.

I don't blame Mr. Ricci for his actions but it's just another example of the deterioration of what was once called "Long Beach's contribution to Western Civilization.

I wonder if Carl Rove is their mentor.

[Jack Good]

So the rodents at KKJZ can't take the heat so they get a cease and desist order.
I don't blame Mr. Ricci for his actions but it's just another example of the deterioration of what was once called "Long Beach's contribution to Western Civilization.
I wonder if Carl Rove is their mentor.

** Can't criticize Mike at all - "championing" a crusade like ours (no matter how massively valid it may be) is not what he's here for.

** KKJZ's despicable action speaks volumes about its integrity - and just how bang-on much of the criticism obviously was. We can only hope that ALL the management & BOD get their walking papers from whatever entity takes over. Hopefully, the clueless members of on-air talent are right behind them.

** Sad @#@#@#@ day when legal actions are taken to silence a jazz protest. Bebop Charlie must be spinning in his grave. Straight ahead, man .. and out?

[Tenorman]

Guys
Let us make it very clear that any discussion of KKJZ on this thread or any other, will result in the thread being closed and the posts deleted

The KKJZ thread had a damn good run. There are some rather large guns pointed at us now. Time to move on

Ian

[Lee Gato]

I don't often link to Wikipedia, but here it is apropos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect

[jazzcritic]

Having worked in public radio for a long time, I find it amusing that any station would get bent out of shape enough to demand that a website cease and desist postings on a bulletin board.

In my market, we had a group of misguided individuals that started an online petition to protest the departure of some individual DJs (none of whom were fired) and some programming changes. It was fun reading the comments from individuals and businesses that swore that they would never give us another dime. Most of them had never made the first gift. For fun, we had a staff member check giving history and found only something like 4% had ever made a gift, let alone were current members.

The funniest thing is that no one ever officially let us know about the petition or tried to deliver a printed copy. To paraphrase Samuel Goldwyn's mangled syntax, "An online petition isn't worth the paper it's printed on."

I wish my cohorts in public radio all the best and hope that they make the choices that truly benefit their stations. Keep in mind that significant drops in individual gifts, underwriting and/or listenership can necessitate changes in management, on-air talent or format at any public radio station.

[jazzdude]

:barf:

** KKJZ's despicable action speaks volumes about its integrity - and just how bang-on much of the criticism obviously was. We can only hope that ALL the management & BOD get their walking papers from whatever entity takes over. Hopefully, the clueless members of on-air talent are right behind them.

** Sad @#@#@#@ day when legal actions are taken to silence a jazz protest. Bebop Charlie must be spinning in his grave. Straight ahead, man .. and out?

Couldn't agree more. This has been said all along.

[clinthopson]

Can they really put a c&d on a public forum? Especially on the internet?

Article One, folks.

[xricci]

i already closed the one thread--you're making life difficult for me over here.

please, enough with the kjazz posts.