What jazz records from the past 20 years will stand the test of time?

[xricci]

AAJ’s Trevor MacLaren launched a new column (Reassessing…) where he examines older albums and determines whether they have stood the test time. His first installment is of Miles Davis' ON THE CORNER at http://www.allaboutjazz.com/articles/reas0902.htm.

[Pharaohrock]

Not too too many but more than people think I would say....one of the biggest problems the "jazz community" has right now is a lack of self-esteem....we don't believe anything that musicians do now is ever going to match up to all the "classic" Blue Notes, Miles and Coltrane records, etc. The fact is, at the rate at which people further romanticize the old classic stuff, the newer material cannot conceivably catch up....this relates in part to the other thread about the older classic jazz cannibalizing the market for new jazz too....

I firmly believe however that there are a good number of classic records that have been made post-1965, hell post-1980 even...but our lack of self-esteem about the relative health of jazz obscures our vision.

Here then are some recs I would readily volunteer as stuff folks will still be seeking out 20 years down the road. And I don't think any of these is really a stretch...

Geri Allen- the Vanguard recs with Motian and Haden
James Carter- JC on the Set
Bill Frisell/Joe Lovano/Paul Motian- Live at the Vanguard
Kenny Garrett- Songbook
Rodney Kendrick- Dance World Dance
Joe Lovano- From the Soul
Charles Lloyd- Hyperion with Higgins
Pat Metheny- Question and Answer
Jason Moran- Facing Left
Greg Osby- Banned...in New York
Maria Schneider- Evanescence

I know there are plenty more as well....this is just off the top of my head.

[3pointdeli]

sonny sharrock "ask the ages"

[markvi]

i suspect that the dave holland quintet and big band recordings will hold up. dave douglas who records often and plays several different styles will probably last. joe henderson's lush life and porgy and bess are good bets. andrew hill's beautiful day, probably some of wynton's stuff, especially the lcjo recordings, phil woods has had some very good recordings the past 20 years. in order to last, the recording must be good but there also has to be name recognition. an obscure musician who puts out a kick ass cd is a long shot as far as that cd becoming a lasting work. it may also depend on the direction that jazz takes in the next 50 years. whatever evolves in the future may dictate what from the past survives.

[LeMo]

Well, one more list but (mostly) the same records again.
What stand...?

Sabir Mateen: Divine Mad Love (Eremite)
Jon Lloyd: Four & Five (hatOLOGY)
Anthony Braxton: Willisau (Quartet) 1991 (hat ART)
Noah Rosen: Trips, Job & Journey's (Cadence)
Ivo Perelman: sad Life (Leo Records)
David S. Ware Quartet: Godspelized (DIW)
Cecil Taylor & The Feel Trio: Celebrated Blason (FMP)
Trevor Watts & Veryan Weston: 6 Dialogues (Emanem)
Daunik Lazro, Jean Bolcato, Christian Rollet: A.H.O. & His Orchestra (Bleu Regard)
André Jaume/ Charlie Haden/ Olivier Clerc: Peace/Pace/Paix (CELP)
Joe McPhee & Johnny McLellan: Grand Marquis (Boxholder)
Paul Dunmall, John Adams, Mark Sanders: Ghostly Thoughts (hatOLOGY)
Paul Bley: Paul Plays Carla (SteepleChase)
Peter Kowald: Was Da Ist (FMP)
Ramon Lopez (Eleven Drums Songs (Leo Records)
Frank Lowe Trio: Bodies & Soul (CIMP)
Mujician: Colours Fullfilled (Cuneiform)
John Zorn: Masada Alef (One) (DIW)
Sam Rivers: Portrait (FMP)
François Corneloup Trio: Jardins Ouvriers (Evidence)
Sven Ake Johansson: Six Little Pieces For Quintet (hatOLOGY)
David Murray & Milford Graves: Real Deal (DIW)
Charles Gayle, William Parker, Rashied Ali: Touchin' On Trane (FMP)
Martial Solal Trio: Triangle (JMS)
Steve Lacy, Daniel Humair, Anthony Cox: Work (Sketch)
Franz Koglmann: Cantos I-IV (hat ART)
Gerry Hemingway Quintet: Demon Chaser (hat ART)
Rob Brown: High Wire (Soul Note)
Peter Brôtzmann/ Hamid Drake: The Dried Rat-Dog (Okkadisk)
Louis Sclavis Trio: Ceux qui veillent la nuit (Label Bleu)
Frank Gratowski/red Van Hove/ ony Oxley: Gratovox (Nuscope)
Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins, Jim Black: One Great Day (hatOLOGY)
Ned Rothenberg & Denman Maroney: Tools of Trade (CIMP)
Marco Eneidi/ William Parker/ Donal Robinson: Cherry Box (Eremite)
William Parker's In Order To Survive: The Peach Orchard: (Aum Fidelity)
Evan Parker Quartet: After Appleby (Leo)
Mal Waldron: Soul Eyes (RCA)
Tim Berne's Paraphrase's: Visitation Rites (Screwgun)
Derek Bailey: Ballads (Tzadik)
Jacques Foschia: Dry (Auto-production)
Abash: Jazz (Dragon)
Rashied Ali featuring LouiS Belogenis: Rings of Saturn (Knitting Factory)
Michael Moore: Bering (Ramboy)

Well, I could ad a hundred more.
What make me say than those records will be listening in twenty years? That I WILL LISTEN TO THEM (and to the other hundred I didn't list) in twenty years as I listen to records of the seventies, sixties, fifties, forties and so on...
So, I will now live definitely this forum.
It eat to much of my time but I will read the treads time to time and see who will survive and who will not.

[ralphie_boy]

William Parker - O'Neil's Porch
William Parker/IOTS - Peach Orchard
Jemeel Moondoc - Revolt of the Negro Lawn Jockeys

[Mnytime]

Originally posted by Pharaohrock
Not too too many but more than people think I would say....one of the biggest problems the "jazz community" has right now is a lack of self-esteem....we don't believe anything that musicians do now is ever going to match up to all the "classic" Blue Notes, Miles and Coltrane records, etc. The fact is, at the rate at which people further romanticize the old classic stuff, the newer material cannot conceivably catch up....this relates in part to the other thread about the older classic jazz cannibalizing the market for new jazz too....

I firmly believe however that there are a good number of classic records that have been made post-1965, hell post-1980 even...but our lack of self-esteem about the relative health of jazz obscures our vision.

Here then are some recs I would readily volunteer as stuff folks will still be seeking out 20 years down the road. And I don't think any of these is really a stretch...

Geri Allen- the Vanguard recs with Motian and Haden
James Carter- JC on the Set
Bill Frisell/Joe Lovano/Paul Motian- Live at the Vanguard
Kenny Garrett- Songbook
Rodney Kendrick- Dance World Dance
Joe Lovano- From the Soul
Charles Lloyd- Hyperion with Higgins
Pat Metheny- Question and Answer
Jason Moran- Facing Left
Greg Osby- Banned...in New York
Maria Schneider- Evanescence

I know there are plenty more as well....this is just off the top of my head.


Why are you so big on generalizing and assuming?

[Joel]

..possibly only for my ears

Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages
righto 3pointdeli

Al Dimeola - The Grande Passion

Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life

Miles Davis - Bitches Brew

...that's all for now..

[FunkyGhost]

Originally posted by Pharaohrock
we don't believe anything that musicians do now is ever going to match up to all the "classic" Blue Notes, Miles and Coltrane records, etc.

I agree. I love the music that was done in that time and I listen to it for many years. But more and more I start to get annoyed by this romantic picture that many (me included) have of this period, you know, the smoky NYC jazzclub, where the "real Jazz" was played all night long... I think the music that is created today is as real as the one that was created 50 years ago.

It is hard to tell what will be classic in 20 years, since you do not have anyone who tells you. (Everyone of course knows what the classics of the 50s-70s are, since critics tell you all the time so you do not have to think by yourself what you like and what you do not like).

Here are some recordings and bands that I think are timeless, innovative and still popular enough today so that people will remember and still listen to them in 20 years:

Nils Petter Molvaer: Khmer
Steve Coleman (i.e. Motherland Pulse, Resistance, ...)
Medeski Martin and Wood
Some of the better Acid Jazz things. The acid Jazz movement was quite important in the 90s even though not too many great records have been done (but some).
Jazz/HipHop fusion. That is also a thing of the 90s. Guru Jazzmatazz won't be forgotten too soon.
Keith Jarrett - Inside Out
Brad Mehldau - Places, Art of the Trio 4
Thomasz Stankow
Kenny Wheeler: Angel Song
Michael Brecker: Two Blocks from the Edge


There are many more ...
Unfortunately it is really hard to follow new movements, because of the real high prices of new Jazz CDs. I just paid 20 Dollar to get the latest Matthew Shipp. It is impossible for me to do that too often. That is the reason why I do not know too many new CDs really well.

[ADR]

Here is a good thread on this subject from a few months back:

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100&highlight=Horace+Tapscott


ADR

[DustyFoot]

I'm not sure I can name single recordings, but there are some artists whom I am sure will be remembered, if not become legendary, in 20 years. Hope I'm not veering too far off the topic here.

Joe Lovano is almost a legend already, but 20 years from now I am sure he will have officially joined the long list of tenor gods. I speak for some in saying that he's already there, but that's not an opinion shared across the board at the moment I don't believe. The passage of time should correct this, and also recognize Lovano for his non-tenor work as well (like Coltrane and Shorter's forays into soprano, important since both often tend to be regarded as 'tenor players').

Here are a few other artists off the top of my head who will be around (in spirit, if not in body) 20 years from now:

Dave Holland
MMW
Steve Lacy
Jason Moran
Brad Mehldau
John Scofield
Roy Hargrove

[Joel]

Medeski Martin and Wood - gets in my list too.

...and some more
Charlie Hunter -
his style and not necessarily any particular album

John Abercrombie - Timeless

Jeff Richman - Live At The Baked Potato Vol 1.

[walkin]

Another vote for Sonny Sharrock`s Ask The Ages

[Jazzmoose]

I agree with Dusty Foot's approach. It isn't so much what individual recordings will stand out in the future, but which artist's body of work will stand out. As I know nothing about modern jazz and listen only to Blue Note hardbop stuff, I have no idea what these might be, but I hear that Joe Lovano, Pat Metheny, Tom Harrell, Greg Osby and Terrence Blanchard are pretty good. If I knew anything about the newer stuff I might suspect that Stefon Harris and Jason Moran had the talent to put out some damn fine stuff. I also love, I mean hear that the above mentioned Dave Holland Big Band stuff really burns down the house.

But then what would I know?

[BruceH]

How about ---

Soul Mates by Charlie Rouse (an 80's record)

Or the last album by Cyrus Chestnut, released one or two years ago (Soul Food?)
Or hell, his first album, Revelation.

And Lee Konitz seems to release a handful of albums every year. Surely some of them will have staying power.

[hoochmonkey9]

I really think in 20 years we'll be talking about Jason Moran's early Blue Note recordings the same way we talk about Andrew Hill's. The man's a monster, in all aspects. Composing, arranging, playing.

[AlecA]

Perhaps years from now many of the groups mentioned will have cds issued in a new “rare grooves” or “connoisseur series.” Then they will sell! Or perhaps a Mosaic set of Kenny Garrett? ;)

I say this with a wink because I have certainly relied on such series to help me broaden my interests, albiet for "necrophilia."

Thanks to the suggestions I'm seeking out more of the current artists so I don't have to read another Mosaic box that starts "Almost ignored in his/her lifetime, the music of XXXXX has been rediscovered for a new generation . . ."

[kenny weir]

Just a few offa the top of my head:

Terence Blanchard - Jazz In Film
Donald Harrison - Indian Blues
Tony Dagradi Trio - Live At Columns
Tom Christenson - Gualala
Joe Chindamo - The Joy Of Standards AND Good Little Ploy
Bernie McGann - Just about anything
Joe Lovano - 52nd Street Themes
Soulive - Turn It Out
Jimmy McGriff/Hank Crawford - Road Tested
Maceo Parker - Mo' Roots

[kulu-se-mama]

rather than specifice albums, i think there are some individuals doing outstanding work right now: charles lloyd's recent ecm work, joe lovano's blue notes, early don byron (the 1st three), cyrus chestnut, james carter, wessel anderson (the live one is great), jason moran, john scofield's blue note titles, charlie haden (when he's not being too mushy), stefon harris, fred hersch's tribute records, toshiko akiyoshi's recent work on sony.

he may be a one hit wonder, but i really enjoyed last years record by stafono di battista.

[Dmitry]

And the answer is ... those that will remain in print. :)

There will definitely be some good stuff for the futre generation of fans to look for, like we're looking for the out of print cds.

Sonny Simmons - Ancient Ritual
and
Thomas Chapin -- Sky Piece

are two worthy albums to stand the test of time.
And Threadgill's stuff also.

[tipitina]

How about a little love for NOLA?

Astral Project - Elevado; Voodoo Bop
Stanton Moore - All Kooked Out

Others:
John Scofield - everything
Greyboy All Stars - West Coast Boogaloo

[Geoff]

Originally posted by LeMo
Well, one more list but (mostly) the same records again.
What stand...?

Sabir Mateen: Divine Mad Love (Eremite)
Jon Lloyd: Four & Five (hatOLOGY)
Anthony Braxton: Willisau (Quartet) 1991 (hat ART)
Noah Rosen: Trips, Job & Journey's (Cadence)
Ivo Perelman: sad Life (Leo Records)
David S. Ware Quartet: Godspelized (DIW)
Cecil Taylor & The Feel Trio: Celebrated Blason (FMP)
Trevor Watts & Veryan Weston: 6 Dialogues (Emanem)
Daunik Lazro, Jean Bolcato, Christian Rollet: A.H.O. & His Orchestra (Bleu Regard)
André Jaume/ Charlie Haden/ Olivier Clerc: Peace/Pace/Paix (CELP)
Joe McPhee & Johnny McLellan: Grand Marquis (Boxholder)
Paul Dunmall, John Adams, Mark Sanders: Ghostly Thoughts (hatOLOGY)
Paul Bley: Paul Plays Carla (SteepleChase)
Peter Kowald: Was Da Ist (FMP)
Ramon Lopez (Eleven Drums Songs (Leo Records)
Frank Lowe Trio: Bodies & Soul (CIMP)
Mujician: Colours Fullfilled (Cuneiform)
John Zorn: Masada Alef (One) (DIW)
Sam Rivers: Portrait (FMP)
François Corneloup Trio: Jardins Ouvriers (Evidence)
Sven Ake Johansson: Six Little Pieces For Quintet (hatOLOGY)
David Murray & Milford Graves: Real Deal (DIW)
Charles Gayle, William Parker, Rashied Ali: Touchin' On Trane (FMP)
Martial Solal Trio: Triangle (JMS)
Steve Lacy, Daniel Humair, Anthony Cox: Work (Sketch)
Franz Koglmann: Cantos I-IV (hat ART)
Gerry Hemingway Quintet: Demon Chaser (hat ART)
Rob Brown: High Wire (Soul Note)
Peter Brôtzmann/ Hamid Drake: The Dried Rat-Dog (Okkadisk)
Louis Sclavis Trio: Ceux qui veillent la nuit (Label Bleu)
Frank Gratowski/red Van Hove/ ony Oxley: Gratovox (Nuscope)
Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins, Jim Black: One Great Day (hatOLOGY)
Ned Rothenberg & Denman Maroney: Tools of Trade (CIMP)
Marco Eneidi/ William Parker/ Donal Robinson: Cherry Box (Eremite)
William Parker's In Order To Survive: The Peach Orchard: (Aum Fidelity)
Evan Parker Quartet: After Appleby (Leo)
Mal Waldron: Soul Eyes (RCA)
Tim Berne's Paraphrase's: Visitation Rites (Screwgun)
Derek Bailey: Ballads (Tzadik)
Jacques Foschia: Dry (Auto-production)
Abash: Jazz (Dragon)
Rashied Ali featuring LouiS Belogenis: Rings of Saturn (Knitting Factory)
Michael Moore: Bering (Ramboy)

Well, I could ad a hundred more.
What make me say than those records will be listening in twenty years? That I WILL LISTEN TO THEM (and to the other hundred I didn't list) in twenty years as I listen to records of the seventies, sixties, fifties, forties and so on...
So, I will now live definitely this forum.
It eat to much of my time but I will read the treads time to time and see who will survive and who will not.

An Amazing List.

I'd go for a live Masada album like 'Live in Sevilla' instead of the studio album Alef.

[D.D.]

Originally posted by LeMo
Well, one more list but (mostly) the same records again.
What stand...?

Sabir Mateen: Divine Mad Love (Eremite)
Jon Lloyd: Four & Five (hatOLOGY)
Anthony Braxton: Willisau (Quartet) 1991 (hat ART)
Noah Rosen: Trips, Job & Journey's (Cadence)
Ivo Perelman: sad Life (Leo Records)
David S. Ware Quartet: Godspelized (DIW)
Cecil Taylor & The Feel Trio: Celebrated Blason (FMP)
Trevor Watts & Veryan Weston: 6 Dialogues (Emanem)
Daunik Lazro, Jean Bolcato, Christian Rollet: A.H.O. & His Orchestra (Bleu Regard)
André Jaume/ Charlie Haden/ Olivier Clerc: Peace/Pace/Paix (CELP)
Joe McPhee & Johnny McLellan: Grand Marquis (Boxholder)
Paul Dunmall, John Adams, Mark Sanders: Ghostly Thoughts (hatOLOGY)
Paul Bley: Paul Plays Carla (SteepleChase)
Peter Kowald: Was Da Ist (FMP)
Ramon Lopez (Eleven Drums Songs (Leo Records)
Frank Lowe Trio: Bodies & Soul (CIMP)
Mujician: Colours Fullfilled (Cuneiform)
John Zorn: Masada Alef (One) (DIW)
Sam Rivers: Portrait (FMP)
François Corneloup Trio: Jardins Ouvriers (Evidence)
Sven Ake Johansson: Six Little Pieces For Quintet (hatOLOGY)
David Murray & Milford Graves: Real Deal (DIW)
Charles Gayle, William Parker, Rashied Ali: Touchin' On Trane (FMP)
Martial Solal Trio: Triangle (JMS)
Steve Lacy, Daniel Humair, Anthony Cox: Work (Sketch)
Franz Koglmann: Cantos I-IV (hat ART)
Gerry Hemingway Quintet: Demon Chaser (hat ART)
Rob Brown: High Wire (Soul Note)
Peter Brôtzmann/ Hamid Drake: The Dried Rat-Dog (Okkadisk)
Louis Sclavis Trio: Ceux qui veillent la nuit (Label Bleu)
Frank Gratowski/red Van Hove/ ony Oxley: Gratovox (Nuscope)
Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins, Jim Black: One Great Day (hatOLOGY)
Ned Rothenberg & Denman Maroney: Tools of Trade (CIMP)
Marco Eneidi/ William Parker/ Donal Robinson: Cherry Box (Eremite)
William Parker's In Order To Survive: The Peach Orchard: (Aum Fidelity)
Evan Parker Quartet: After Appleby (Leo)
Mal Waldron: Soul Eyes (RCA)
Tim Berne's Paraphrase's: Visitation Rites (Screwgun)
Derek Bailey: Ballads (Tzadik)
Jacques Foschia: Dry (Auto-production)
Abash: Jazz (Dragon)
Rashied Ali featuring LouiS Belogenis: Rings of Saturn (Knitting Factory)
Michael Moore: Bering (Ramboy)



That's a great list indeed. Funny, I would probably choose other CDs for most of these artists.
All this 'test of time' thing is probably not parpticularly applicable for uncommercial music anyway... I am more afraid that when we shift to another music media (SACD, DVD-A, whatever...) we'll loose a lot of worthwhile music (as it happened when CDs substituted LPs).

Where can you find the CELP CDs on-line, by the way?

[Joel]

Timeless
John Abercrombie with Jan Hammer and Jack DeJohnette (ECM © 1974)

John Abercrombie, Marc Johnson & Peter Erskine
John Abercrombie, Marc Johnson & Peter Erskine (ECM © 1988) Live

Radio
Naked City (Avant ©1933)

[EKE BBB]

I won´t say records, I will say artists "oeuvre" from 1980 until now:

-Keith Jarret,
-Joe Lovano,
-Joe Henderson,
-Tomasz Stanko,
-Brad Mehldau,
-Jason Moran,
-Cecil Taylor,
-Paul Bley,
-Evan Parker,
-Mal Waldron,
-Martial Solal,
-Steve Lacy,
-Roswell Rudd,
-Sheila Jordan,
-Dave Holland,

....

[EKE BBB]

And, of course, one of the greatest pianists of all times: Tete Montoliú

[Fran]

Just looking at the mamouth lists with only a small percentage of repeats convinces me that very few will stand the test of time.
I don't mean to say everythings been done already, but there is an awful lot of repetition in the newer stuff, and the feel of originality is generally lacking.

[king ubu]

Originally posted by LeMo
Sabir Mateen: Divine Mad Love (Eremite)
Jon Lloyd: Four & Five (hatOLOGY)
Anthony Braxton: Willisau (Quartet) 1991 (hat ART)
Noah Rosen: Trips, Job & Journey's (Cadence)
Ivo Perelman: sad Life (Leo Records)
David S. Ware Quartet: Godspelized (DIW)
Cecil Taylor & The Feel Trio: Celebrated Blason (FMP)
Trevor Watts & Veryan Weston: 6 Dialogues (Emanem)
Daunik Lazro, Jean Bolcato, Christian Rollet: A.H.O. & His Orchestra (Bleu Regard)
André Jaume/ Charlie Haden/ Olivier Clerc: Peace/Pace/Paix (CELP)
Joe McPhee & Johnny McLellan: Grand Marquis (Boxholder)
Paul Dunmall, John Adams, Mark Sanders: Ghostly Thoughts (hatOLOGY)
Paul Bley: Paul Plays Carla (SteepleChase)
Peter Kowald: Was Da Ist (FMP)
Ramon Lopez (Eleven Drums Songs (Leo Records)
Frank Lowe Trio: Bodies & Soul (CIMP)
Mujician: Colours Fullfilled (Cuneiform)
John Zorn: Masada Alef (One) (DIW)
Sam Rivers: Portrait (FMP)
François Corneloup Trio: Jardins Ouvriers (Evidence)
Sven Ake Johansson: Six Little Pieces For Quintet (hatOLOGY)
David Murray & Milford Graves: Real Deal (DIW)
Charles Gayle, William Parker, Rashied Ali: Touchin' On Trane (FMP)
Martial Solal Trio: Triangle (JMS)
Steve Lacy, Daniel Humair, Anthony Cox: Work (Sketch)
Franz Koglmann: Cantos I-IV (hat ART)
Gerry Hemingway Quintet: Demon Chaser (hat ART)
Rob Brown: High Wire (Soul Note)
Peter Brôtzmann/ Hamid Drake: The Dried Rat-Dog (Okkadisk)
Louis Sclavis Trio: Ceux qui veillent la nuit (Label Bleu)
Frank Gratowski/red Van Hove/ ony Oxley: Gratovox (Nuscope)
Ellery Eskelin, Andrea Parkins, Jim Black: One Great Day (hatOLOGY)
Ned Rothenberg & Denman Maroney: Tools of Trade (CIMP)
Marco Eneidi/ William Parker/ Donal Robinson: Cherry Box (Eremite)
William Parker's In Order To Survive: The Peach Orchard: (Aum Fidelity)
Evan Parker Quartet: After Appleby (Leo)
Mal Waldron: Soul Eyes (RCA)
Tim Berne's Paraphrase's: Visitation Rites (Screwgun)
Derek Bailey: Ballads (Tzadik)
Jacques Foschia: Dry (Auto-production)
Abash: Jazz (Dragon)
Rashied Ali featuring LouiS Belogenis: Rings of Saturn (Knitting Factory)
Michael Moore: Bering (Ramboy)


:D :D :D
quel espèce de MERDRE (comme le disait père ubu...)
these don't even swing! And they ain't blues based! Hat, Leo, FMP, Sketch, Soulnote (puke!) - at least you did not mention any ECM record (there would be some nice Sam Rivers, which, my bet, at least this one humble royal pain i* t** a** will still listen to in 20 years!)

Seriously: nice list, LeMo. I didn't read this thread till today.
And as another person said: the factor of being in print will be increasingly important, as this non commercial music (good point, D.D.!) is often never reissued and original releases reach only like 2000 or 3000 (like the HatOlogy series).

And then, another point that should be made (beware of necrophilia): I am one of those crazy collectors and addicts who tries to embrace the whole music, and therefore my humble guess, that in 20 years, there will be still a few of us around who then will not only collect/listen/love/critizise what was done from 1900 to 2003 but from 1900 to 2023...

and then more votes for the Holland, Scofield, Moran, Osby etc stuff. And let's hope those nice small labels from our non-jazz continent will remain in business for a long long time and continue to produce this great open music (non-swing, non-blues, non-jazz, chose whatever label you want to pin to it :D )

ubu