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peter rh
January 16th, 2005, 01:05 PM
Golden oldies seek a new lease of life
(Filed: 16/01/2005)


Iconic recordings from the early days of pop are falling out of copyright. The artists and their estates want an extension to the protection, writes Guy Dennis

As the clock struck midnight on New Year's Eve two weeks ago and festive cheers went up, the value of some of the world's greatest recordings, including Elvis Presley's Blue Moon of Kentucky and That's All Right, went down.

Thanks to arcane laws that govern the music industry, records lose their copyright protection in Europe just 50 years after they are made. After this period, at the start of the following January, people can sell and use recordings without paying a penny to the performers.

The issue is becoming a focus of attention as a whole raft of formative pop music starts to lose its commercial protection in Europe. At the end of this year, Chuck Berry's debut song Maybellene, Fats Domino's Ain't That a Shame, and Bo Diddley's Bo Diddley will all lose copyright protection. And at the end of next year these tracks will be joined by James Brown's Please Please Please and Presley's Heartbreak Hotel among others. From 2012, the recordings of the Beatles will suffer the same fate.

So the music industry is fighting back. Both record companies and artists, including Status Quo and Sir Cliff Richard, are calling for a reform of the laws. For Richard the financial impact could be huge. He claims that every three months from the beginning of 2008 he will lose a song.

"Who made this stupid law in the first place? That's what I want to know," says Kenney Jones, who drummed for The Small Faces, and then The Who, after Keith Moon, the group's legendary original drummer died from a drugs overdose. As it happens, a series of European governments are responsible for the law, but this is unlikely to mollify Jones, 56.

"I feel very strongly that you should own what you created until you die, and after that it should pass to your family or next of kin. I don't think the copyright should ever run out," he says.

Now a father of six, Jones relies on royalties for a large part of his income, putting food on the family table and paying for school fees. The Small Faces' first single, Whatcha Gonna Do About It?, was released in 1965 so the copyright for the performance will expire in 2015. Jones, who will then be 66, had always seen royalties as a pension or a way to help pay for his youngest child, now 7, to go through university.

The law also poses potentially huge problems for the record companies, such as EMI, the UK's largest music group, and their shareholders. At stake are not just the royalties that performers receive for their music, but the very value of record companies' back-catalogue assets.

One major record company estimates that old albums that sell 100m copies in Europe each year will have lost copyright protection by 2010. It is an issue that is likely to attract growing attention from analysts.

Unsurprisingly, the record labels are lobbying the European Commission in Brussels furiously for reform, seeking an extension to the 50-year limit. An extension in Britain alone would not be a solution, since records could be shipped from other European countries.

At the heart of the issue is the structure of royalty payments. When a record is released, two sets of royalties come into play. There are so-called "mechanical royalties" paid to the songwriter or composer of the words and melody via their publisher. Separate from these are royalties paid for the specific rendition of the music, known as the "record royalties". These refer to the recording rather than the melody and lyrics, and are paid to performers via their record company.

If the performer is also the writer of the song and music they receive both sets of royalties. Either way, under record and publishing deals, artists give up much of their royalties to record and publishing companies in exchange for their services, such as promotion, administration and investment.

The Small Faces' Whatcha Gonna Do About It? was written by the late Ian Samwell, a founding father of British Rock `n' Roll, who also wrote Cliff Richard's first hit, Move It. Members of The Small Faces, including Jones, only receive record royalties from the track.

But the two types of royalty are treated differently. While the copyright for the performance expires after 50 years, the copyright enjoyed by the composer lasts for 70 years after their death, benefiting their heirs.

Not only do performers stand to lose lucrative royalties once the copyright protection ends, but they also lose control over the use of the track. There have been jokes in the music industry that Cliff Richard's recordings could be used in porn films, despite his Christian morals.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), a multinational grouping whose members include EMI, other record companies and individuals in the industry, is leading the call for an extension of the 50-year limit in Europe. It points out that in 1998 the US extended its copyright term for recordings to 95 years. Other countries also give greater protection. In Australia and much of South America, the period is 70 years.

"Ideally we would look for the same period as the US, but any extension would be welcomed," says an IFPI spokesman.

Not everyone is unhappy with the existing laws, however. Some entrepreneurs even believe it gives them a commercial opportunity. John Boyden, the artistic director and founder of the New Queen's Hall Orchestra, an independent British orchestra, has recently founded the Green Label Music Company which will trade under the Yesteryear brand, producing CD compilations of songs that have lost copyright protection.

In a couple of weeks the company will launch its first compilation, "We'll Meet Again", a collection of songs from the Second World War era, including performances by Dame Vera Lynn.

But Boyden has bigger plans that will infuriate the music industry. "Eventually we will be into the Elvis records and the Beatles and all the rest, unless the record companies get their way," he says.

The prospects for changes to the rules appear mixed. The European Commission's deadline for proposals on copyright reform has been extended by a year to 2006. France, Italy and Portugal are likely to back reform while EMI is trying to enlist the support of the UK government.

One issue that has received little attention so far is just who would benefit from a copyright extension. Under most record deals, artists effectively sell most of the proceeds of their copyright to their record company. But some believe an extension should be used to effectively hand the copyright back to the artist, squeezing out the record companies.

"It should revert to the artist, not to the record company," says Andrew King, a former manger of Pink Floyd, Marc Bolan, The Clash and Ian Dury.

For now, the problem for record companies, ageing crooners and former rock `n' roll hell-raisers alike is that the European authorities are not yet dancing to their tune.
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gregk
January 16th, 2005, 06:53 PM
so what? patents expire after 20 years, which is a shame for the inventors who devote significant chunks of their career to such things (although they are renewable). nothing is permanent

It Should be You
January 16th, 2005, 07:52 PM
In the U.S. this stuff is supposed to become public property after a limited amount of time of monopoly for creators (usually transferred to pubishers and music producers), and by limited amount of time I don't mean what Jack Valenti said, infinity minus a day.

It's meant to become public property.

None of this "fall into the public domain." It's MEANT to become public property.

Marcello
January 16th, 2005, 09:51 PM
I believe the latest U.S. copyright laws state that composer rights last 75 years after the composers death. It used to be 50 years. They are non-renewable. This matter seems to be PERFORMER'S rights, which are different here anyway, but I don't know what, if any, there are.

Phil Meloy
January 17th, 2005, 08:23 AM
If an old recording is remastered and released on CD it is effectively seen by the law as being a new recording and is granted a further 50 years of copyright.

Phil Kelly
January 17th, 2005, 11:20 AM
I believe the latest U.S. copyright laws state that composer rights last 75 years after the composers death. It used to be 50 years. They are non-renewable. This matter seems to be PERFORMER'S rights, which are different here anyway, but I don't know what, if any, there are.

Theres a lot of hazy thinking going on here:

The person who created the work owns the COPYRIGHT of the work ( unless he was gullible enough to sign a "work for hire" agreement ) This person can then ASSIGN the publishing rights ( or set up his own publishing co. and assign them to himself ..or assign a share of them to another publisher) This copyright is indeed for a term of life plus 75 years.

The PERFORMERS rights are being confused with PERFORMANCE rights. The latter belong to the creator and the publisher(s) and are only part of a package of mechanical rights, print rights, syncronization rights ( sometimes referred to as "grand rights " ). All of these serve to generate a money stream for the copyright holder and creator.

PERFORMERS rights, OTOH, are generally a matter between the talent performing the copyright and the record company releasing the product. These may or may NOT be the same people who actually wrote the copyright in question ..

I'm not an attorney, but I am a musician whos learned the nutzanboltz of this this stuff the hard way.

:soapbox:

Rocket #9
January 17th, 2005, 07:52 PM
If an old recording is remastered and released on CD it is effectively seen by the law as being a new recording and is granted a further 50 years of copyright.

I'm not sure what you mean here, but I believe this is incorrect. For example, if Blue Note remasters Bud Powell recordings and rereleases them in Europe, it does not necessarily give them an extra fifty years (just ask Definitive!--or Classics, for that matter).

Additionally, there's no protection for remastering. Companies can copy/steal the remastering (ala Definitive) as long as they don't steal the whole package, e.g, they need to change track order, drop additional tracks, stuff like that, so that their release isn't an absolute copy of the original. I was interested, so I verified this with a pal who is an IP lawyer (disclaimer: his expertise is movies, though he does some music as well; also he didn't charge me, so his opinion may not be binding :wink2:)

Ed

Phil Kelly
January 17th, 2005, 08:53 PM
I'm not sure what you mean here, but I believe this is incorrect. For example, if Blue Note remasters Bud Powell recordings and rereleases them in Europe, it does not necessarily give them an extra fifty years (just ask Definitive!--or Classics, for that matter).

Additionally, there's no protection for remastering. Companies can copy/steal the remastering (ala Definitive) as long as they don't steal the whole package, e.g, they need to change track order, drop additional tracks, stuff like that, so that their release isn't an absolute copy of the original. I was interested, so I verified this with a pal who is an IP lawyer (disclaimer: his expertise is movies, though he does some music as well; also he didn't charge me, so his opinion may not be binding :wink2:)

Ed


None of these points have ( or should have ) anything to do with the creators and original publishers rights ..

Unfortunately, in the case of a lot of the 50s BN ( and other ) records, the musicians weren't as hip to the copyright laws and would just do the sessions for a cash handout ( usually miniscule ) and would just "bring " tunes to the sessions without considering the import of this action ..

I'd LOVE to see some of the "releases " they signed during that period ..if there in fact WERE any..

Rocket #9
January 17th, 2005, 09:28 PM
Agreed, Phil (Kelly). I was responding to the comment the other Phil (Meloy) made.

Re: "releases". You may well already know, but there's an interesting bit in the most recent Chet Baker bio about the scumbag who managed him and Tadd Dameron and hoovered up their copyrights in exchange for smack.

Wasn't Prestige famous for paying "in kind"? I'd love to see those releases.

Ed

Marcello
January 17th, 2005, 09:50 PM
Thanks, Phill ( Kelly), for the insight and information.

You would be amazed how many of todays artists don't take full advantage of their copyrights, and do their homework, to the fullest extent.

Phil Meloy
January 18th, 2005, 06:39 AM
I'm not sure what you mean here, but I believe this is incorrect. For example, if Blue Note remasters Bud Powell recordings and rereleases them in Europe, it does not necessarily give them an extra fifty years

Yes it does Ed but only the remastered version not the original. Every time Blue Note brings Rudi Van Gelder into the studio to remaster some old tapes what emerges is legally considered a brand new recording with a full term of copyright protection. Surely for example you're not suggesting that those Bud Powell Vol 1 & 2 RVGs are completely without copyright protection on the sound recording here in Europe simply because the original recordings are over 50 years old? The original recordings are out of copyright under UK law - the RVGs are not.

I don't know just exactly what your intellectiual property solicitor friend is suggesting or what country he is referring to but here in the UK (and I believe this is also the situation in the States except that the term of copyright for sound recordings in the States is now 75 years) a remastering of a sound recording affords the remastered version a new lease of copyright life. If an existing recording that is about to run out of copyright is re-mastered by or with the permission of the owners of the copyright of that recording this is then considered to be an entirely new recording and qualifies for a further 50 years of copyright protection from the time of its inception. Similiarily a remastered version of a recording that is already out of copyright would also been seen as a new recording and qualify for a further 50 years protection. This would not however prevent someone else who also had legal access to the original recording recording from producing and releasing their own individual remastered version in competition with yours.

The following is a quote from an article which appeared in Billboard in September 2002...

A much-talked-about solution to the public-domain problem is remastering -- a tactic successfully employed by the movie industry. Fisher (BPI) says, "The British Phonographic Industry says a remastered work constitutes a new recording and therefore a new copyright, but that's never been challenged in court." So, if a work is remastered, is its copyright renewed? "It's a slight grey area," says Richard Constant, legal counsel for Universal Music International. "The basic answer is 'yes,' but the original copy still falls into public domain (after 50 years), so there is a limit as to how much good it will do you."

Admittedly this article was some time ago however as far as I know the situation hasn't changed and this is still the legal position of the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). I have emailed the BPI's legal department for confirmation of this and will post their reply when I receive it.

peter rh
January 18th, 2005, 08:50 AM
If an old recording is remastered and released on CD it is effectively seen by the law as being a new recording and is granted a further 50 years of copyright.
I don't disagree with Phil's statement, but the details of exactly what is/can
be involved is complex. I don't think just remastering(in itself) gets another
50 year period.
The Avid(UK) label,last year produced a 3cd set of Jack Teagarden related
material from 1928 - 47. They obtained original recordings, re-pitched and
remastered their particular compilation.Avid's notes say "This technical
reconstruction is uniquely identifiable and is copyright. All rights of the producer and the owner of the recorded works reserved."
From what I understand, another company can compile their own material,
from other sources than Avid, and then produce their own compilation.
I'm not aware that there have yet been any legal cases involving new
copyright protection, on newly established items.
Exactly how different a new product needs to be, before a new copyright
is applicable, is best answered by a lawyer(probably too expensive anyway!)

peter rh
January 18th, 2005, 11:46 AM
I agree with Phil Meloy on the Blue Note/Bud Powell/RVG example.
The RVG edition gets another 50 year copyright (in Europe) in respect of the new product, but not in respect of the original recordings.
The difficulty, when discussing the vast majority of jazz recordings, is that
sales are not sufficient to warrant serious legal wrangling & expense

It Should be You
January 18th, 2005, 12:06 PM
The following is a quote from an article which appeared in Billboard in September 2002...

A much-talked-about solution to the public-domain problem is remastering -- a tactic successfully employed by the movie industry. Fisher (BPI) says, "The British Phonographic Industry says a remastered work constitutes a new recording and therefore a new copyright, but that's never been challenged in court." So, if a work is remastered, is its copyright renewed? "It's a slight grey area," says Richard Constant, legal counsel for Universal Music International. "The basic answer is 'yes,' but the original copy still falls into public domain (after 50 years), so there is a limit as to how much good it will do you."



Solution to the public-domain problem? If there is a problem with the public domain, it's that some groups want to keep music out of the public domain.

It's a minor point, but what kind of language is this "falling into the public domain?" That's a loaded way of phrasing the situation. Makes it sound like the music was abandoned rather than becoming the public's property as intended.

For remasters, it sounds like the situation is similar to that of books. New editions of old works are released with not much of anything being added except advancements in paper and binding, perhaps a foreword, etc. and these new works are copyrighted, though not the public domain work included therein, like the text of Moby-Dick, for example.

clave
January 18th, 2005, 01:08 PM
None of these points have ( or should have ) anything to do with the creators and original publishers rights ..

Unfortunately, in the case of a lot of the 50s BN ( and other ) records, the musicians weren't as hip to the copyright laws and would just do the sessions for a cash handout ( usually miniscule ) and would just "bring " tunes to the sessions without considering the import of this action ..

I'd LOVE to see some of the "releases " they signed during that period ..if there in fact WERE any..

Yep - my other guess is that very few of them own(ed) the rights to their work, which is a real shame.

Phil Kelly
January 18th, 2005, 01:14 PM
If youre doing a production and you're wondering if a selection is PD or not, a simple way to check is to go to the Harry Fox website for a mechanical license. If the work is PD, you wont need one.

Another crosscheck is to go to both the ASCAP and BMI websites and check the song search feature. If you see a lot of "re-arrangements" listed, you can be pretty sure the original copyright holder has been gone over 75 years.

THen you are free to "copyright " YOUR re-arrangement ..( as I did with " Camptown Races/ Damp Brown Places on my CD )

Claude
January 18th, 2005, 01:56 PM
Remastering and reissuing doesn't extend copyright duration. To my knowledge, no court has ever considered remastering/restoration to be artisitc work woth of copyright protection.

If reissuing meant renewing protection, the labels would not complain about the copyright duration.


There is an older thread on the same subject:

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=2882

Phil Kelly
January 18th, 2005, 02:52 PM
Remastering and reissuing doesn't extend copyright duration. To my knowledge, no court has ever considered remastering/restoration to be artisitc work woth of copyright protection.

If reissuing meant renewing protection, the labels would not complain about the copyright duration.


There is an older thread on the same subject:

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=2882


assuming the actual original ALBUM had a copyright covering it AS AN ENTITY ( including art work, notes , etc ) this is true ..and also had no bearing upon the actual separate copyrights on the pieces therein....... ( should they exist )

However, if the old Album was remixed , remastered, re-ordered and/or redseigned or repackaged in any way ..I think it might then be eligible for some sort of copyright protection ..

again, I ain't no attorney nohow :banana:

Claude
January 18th, 2005, 04:25 PM
The album cover, liner notes (copyright on artistic/literary works) and label name (trademark) are protected even after the 50 year duration on sound recordings (70 years in the US) has expired, but the recordings themselves can be freely reproduced. That's what Definitive, Proper and other "public domain" labels are doing, simply repackaging and reissueing the music. They can't use the original artwork.

On a british webpage that has now disappeared, there was an interesting article on the copyright protection of remastering. There hasn't yet been a court case on that subject, but on a related matter (restoration of old public domain photographies) a court has ruled that the person that did the restoration work has no right to copyright protection and has to accept that his restored photos are copied without his authorisation or receiving royalties. Restoration is considered technical work, not artistic work, and therefore not protected by copyright.

Of course, jurisprudence can change anytime.

It Should be You
January 18th, 2005, 05:46 PM
I wouldn't be too concerned about what the labels want when the issue is really ownership by the public. The labels are a small but important part of the public, but the public as a whole is meant to own works after a limited time. In the U.S., our Congress does not seem to represent this view lately, and our Supreme Court seems to have bent over backwards to favor the position of the few rather than the public as a whole, in my opinion. :soapbox

Rocket #9
January 18th, 2005, 06:59 PM
However, if the old Album was remixed , remastered, re-ordered and/or redseigned or repackaged in any way ..I think it might then be eligible for some sort of copyright protection ..

again, I ain't no attorney nohow :banana:

Again, not really. Others can't just reissue your album, but if they give it a new cover, notes, etc., and fiddle with the track order they can get away with it legally. At least that's my lawyer friend's opinion, and he is an attorney.

Note that I'm not saying this is a good thing. Like It Should Be You I'm a big fan of public domain (cue Chuck Nessa to come in and disagree, if he bothers posting here anymore), but I certainly wish remastering were protected in some way.

peter rh:

Avid can say whatever they want on their CD, but it doesn't give their assertions any legal force (similar to those "confidential" notices at the bottom of emails one receives from lawyer friends). If it scares off scumbags like Definitive, good for them, but the outfits that steal remastering have a pretty good idea of what they can get away with, and I doubt that Avid's assertion of copyright would occasion many second thoughts if there was money to be made.

Ed

clave
January 18th, 2005, 07:26 PM
I wouldn't be too concerned about what the labels want when the issue is really ownership by the public. The labels are a small but important part of the public, but the public as a whole is meant to own works after a limited time. In the U.S., our Congress does not seem to represent this view lately, and our Supreme Court seems to have bent over backwards to favor the position of the few rather than the public as a whole, in my opinion.

What about ownership by the artist(s)/composer(s)/etc.??

It Should be You
January 18th, 2005, 07:41 PM
That too becomes public property in the U.S. after a time of limited monopoly. That is in the Constitution, and was written so for the greater good of society at large. It is not real property like land handed down from generation to generation. That is just a fact. It is intellectual property. That may be forgotten today but it was on the minds of the authors of the Constitution.

I favor a copyright term of the lifetime of the creator. After all, once I am dead, my incentive to create (the subject of copyright) has been diminished, to say the least. And if it's handed down to my descendants, that diminishes their incentive to create. Society at large loses out through diminished creativity. That is the basic thinking in the Constitution, though we so seldom hear it today.

clave
January 18th, 2005, 11:42 PM
With all due respect, copyright and intellectual property laws (in the US and other countries) are complex and constantly evolving. As for me, I simply don't see how intellectual property is any less tangible than any other kind of property per se.

The international treaties safeguarding copyright and intellectual property laws are a vast subject, far too much for the likes of me, but here are some good links for starters:

US Copyright Office: http://www.copyright.gov/

World Intellectual Property Organization: http://www.wipo.int/

As for monies (royalties and other fees) owed to creators of works (art, music, literature, photography, industrial design, you name it), my feeling is that the creators and their heirs should be properly compensated, though this gets into a huge legal quagmire...

peter rh
January 19th, 2005, 01:43 AM
Claude, Ed - If remastering etc does not warrant copyright (as per the Avid) -
are Mosaic copyrights of no value ?

Saxman
February 18th, 2005, 10:46 AM
Hmm....this is a thorny topic!

Anyway, copyright laws are different in Europe than the U.S., of course. I hate to admit I bought a few Proper Boxes. Now I'm probably going to dump them. The sound quality varies wildly from track to track and yeah, they might be, in theory a GREAT bargain, but sheesh! Even the booklet photos scream bootleg!

I'd much rather hunt down the best price on the re-mastered Savoy Bird, Diz, etc. boxes than plop down $20 USD for something that sounds and looks like garbage. It's all a little unsavory, even if the original artists were paid in cash and received no future roylties.

I also don't rip CDs from the library, etc. Jazz labels and artitsts have enough trouble trying to stay afloat.

Rocket #9
February 18th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Claude, Ed - If remastering etc does not warrant copyright (as per the Avid) -
are Mosaic copyrights of no value ?

Sorry Peter, I didn't see this until now.

Yes and no, does that help?

Newer stuff that's not public domain, such as the Mulligan set would be protected. Older stuff like the Django and the Bailey sets only have certain elements protected, like the notes (which are new, anyway) and the presentation (cover photo, track lists).

The track list is the important part as I understand it. If a ripoff company out-and-out copies the disc then they can get in trouble. That's why a lot (all, I think) of the Definitive things don't include alternates or unissued tracks. That way they can pretend to be working from sources already in public domain and not ripping off Mosaic. The other thing they seem to be doing is issuing various sessions under sideman names.

Pretty annoying, eh?

I like public domain, but I sure wish that there was more protection for value-added outfits like Mosaic. That said, I haven't written my Congressman yet.