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    Tatum discography: how to be a completist?

    Having up until now these Art Tatum releases:

    -The Complete Pablo solo masterpieces (Pablo; 8 separate CDs 1953-55). You can pick them as well as a 7CD-box.

    -The Complete Pablo group masterpieces (Pablo 6CD-box 1954-56). You can pick them as 8 separate CDs.

    -Complete Capitol recordings (Blue Note 2CD 1949-52)

    -20th Century piano genius (Verve 2CD 1950-55)

    -God is in the house (HighNote release with live New York recordings form 1940-41 culled from the Jerry Newman Collection)

    -Virtuous (Jazzlab compilation with material from 1944-49)

    -and one cheap compilation with earlier sides

    Should my next purchases be:

    -early recordings: Classics (for a "complete approach") OR the Proper Box (for a "fairly comprehensive approach" for the 30s). Guess the 2CD Decca "Classic early solos 1934-37" is duplicated with both Classics and Proper releases)

    -Standard Transcriptions

    -the Storyville Live Tatum series (by now up to Volume 3 out of 8)

    ???

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    If you really want to be a Tatum Completeist.. you need a good discography.

    Classic while claiming to be complete often have gaps( sometimes quite unexplainably) in their Chronology.

    If you have acess to a discography, the Past Perfect Tatum box probably has a lot of early Tatum also. I would expect lots of duplication between the three.

    From your comments in the Tatum thread, I can see how you could lean towards being a completist, but suspect the listening experience would be totally overwhelming and possibly bad for your health

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    Originally posted by PDEE
    From your comments in the Tatum thread, I can see how you could lean towards being a completist, but suspect the listening experience would be totally overwhelming and possibly bad for your health
    I´ll try to take my medicine in small dosis!

    Now seriously, another question: how good´s the sound in the Storyville Live Tatum series? I recently bought "God is in the house" and the sound is not as bad as expected and, as Chuck and Lon said: "The playing is of a quality that trascends recording quality"

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    Originally posted by PDEE
    If you really want to be a Tatum Completeist.. you need a good discography.
    BTW: where could I find a good discography?

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    I don't have all the Storyvilles but those I have are good as far
    as sound goes(not by todays standards but good for the period).
    The 2 disc Decca I don't have but the single disc MCA of the same
    material is high quality sound(again for the period) - I might be
    tempted by that 2 disc set. I've avoided the Classics on Tatum
    mainly because I have so much on LP which is I think fairly similar
    in sound quality - I'd put the Decca at the top of your list

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    Thanks, peter

    Probably I´ll compare the 2CD Decca set and the Proper box to see the duplication... and if it´s not excessive, I´ll buy both!

    And regarding the Storyvilles... I´ll put them in the middle of my "next-purchases" list!

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    Originally posted by EKE BBB
    BTW: where could I find a good discography?
    Well I could try emailing you one but it would take forever.....

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    Not for completists!

    But, in case you can´t afford the whole set or just in case you want to enter Tatum´s world...

    ...Prestige will release "The Best of the Pablo Solo Masterpieces" on Nov 4. I don´t know what they´ll include but whatever Prestige´d include, they will be MASTERPIECES!!!

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    whic one is the best intro to art ?

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    Volume 4 of the Live Tatum series by Storyville will be released in Oct. 7. It covers 1949-51.



    Art Tatum with the Clib Norman Orchestra, Bill Carter (tp), Bill Povey (as), Johnny Ord (ts), Art Tatum (p), Ned Ciashine (acc.), Murray Lauder (b), Don Hilton (dr)

    If I Had You / Night And Day / Fine And Dandy / Fine And Dandy / Fine And Dandy / Humoresque / Poor Butterfly / Willow Weep For Me / I Gotta Right To Sing the Blues / Taboo / Gershwin Medley / I Know That You Know / Sweet Lorraine / Rosetta / A Ghost Of A Chance / Hallelujah / Someone To Watch Over Me / Taboo

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    Thanks EKE!

    Any websites where I could order this one and all the previously issued Art Tatum discs (vol 1-3)?

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    You can order it directly from Storyville site... but it´s very expensive (guess it´s 18€ full-priced releases and 13€ mid-priced releases).

    Here´s the link:

    Storyville Records website

    I´ve found some Storyville / Jazz Unlimited 2 CD releases at a local store for 18€ (half the official price!)

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    This is the discography for the Proper 4CD box-set:



    DISC ONE - TEA FOR TWO

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, August 5, 1932
    TO-1192 TIGER RAG CBS 26550

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, March 21, 1933
    13162-A TEA FOR TWO Brunswick 6553
    13163-A ST. LOUIS BLUES Brunswick 6543
    13164-A TIGER RAG Brunswick 6543
    13165-A SOPHISTICATED LADY Brunswick 6553

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, August 22, 1934
    38387-A MOONGLOW Decca 155
    38388-A I WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR YOU Brunswick 02015
    38389-A WHEN A WOMAN LOVES A MAN Decca 741
    38390-A EMALINE Decca 155
    38391-A LOVE ME Decca 156
    38392-A COCKTAILS FOR TWO Decca 156

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, August 24, 1934
    38426-A AFTER YOU’RE GONE Brunswick 01862
    38427-C STARDUST Decca 306
    38429-A ILL WIND Brunswick 02051
    38430-A THE SHOUT Decca 468
    38431-C BEAUTIFUL LOVE Decca 306
    38432-A LIZA Decca 1373

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, October 9, 1934
    38428-C I AIN’T GOT NOBODY Decca 741

    Art Tatum, p
    Hollywood, December 1936
    STAY AS SWEET AS YOU ARE Jazz Panorama LP 15
    I WISH I WERE TWINS Jazz Panorama LP 15

    Art Tatum, p
    New York, November 29, 1937
    62822-A GONE WITH THE WIND Decca 1603
    62823-A STORMY WEATHER Decca 1603
    62824-A CHLOE Decca 2052
    62825-A THE SHEIK OF ARABY Decca 2052

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, April 12, 1939
    DLA- 1759-A TEA FOR TWO Decca 2456
    DLA -1760-A DEEP PURPLE Decca 2456

    Art Tatum, p
    Hollywood, circa August 1939
    IT HAD TO BE YOU Smithsonian 2029

    DISC TWO - ELEGIE

    Art Tatum, p
    Hollywood, circa August 1939
    OH YOU CRAZY MOON Smithsonian R 029
    OVER THE RAINBOWSmithsonian R 029

    Art Tatum, p
    Hollywood, August 1939
    DAY IN-DAY OUT Smithsonian R 029
    ALL GOD’S CHILLUN GOT RHYTHM Jazz Panorama LP 15

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, February 22, 1940
    DLA-1936-A ELEGIE Decca 18049
    DLA-1937-A HUMORESQUE Decca 18049
    DLA-1938-A SWEET LORRAINE Decca 18050
    DLA-1939-A GET HAPPY Decca 18050
    DLA - 1940 - A LULLABY OF THE LEAVES Decca 18051
    DLA - 1941 - A TIGER RAG Decca 18051
    DLA - 1942 - A SWEET EMALINE,
    MY GAL Decca rejected
    DLA - 1945 - A LOVE ME Decca 156

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, July 26, 1940
    DLA - 2069 - A BEGIN THE BEGUINE Decca 8552
    DLA - 2070 - A ROSETTA Decca 8552
    DLA - 2071 - A INDIANA Decca 8550

    Art Tatum and his Band : Joe Thomas, tp; Edmond Hall, cl; Art Tatum, p; John Collins, g; Billy Taylor, b; Eddie Dougherty, d; Joe Turner, voc (-1)
    New York, January 21, 1941
    68605-A WEE BABY BLUES (-1) Decca 8526
    68606-A STOMPIN’ AT THE SAVOY Decca 8536
    68607-A LAST GOODBYE BLUES (-1) Decca 8536
    68608-A BATTERY BOUNCE Decca 8526

    Art Tatum and his Band : Joe Thomas, tp; Art Tatum, p; Oscar Moore, g; Billy Taylor, b; Yank Porter, d; Joe Turner, voc.
    New York, June 13, 1941
    69356-B LUCILLE Decca 8577
    69357-B ROCK ME, MAMA Decca 8563
    69358-A CORRINA CORRINA Decca 8577
    69359-B LONESOME GRAVEYARD BLUES Decca 8563

    Art Tatum Trio : Art Tatum, p; Tiny Grimes, g; Slam Stewart, b.
    New York, January 5, 1944
    WN 1360-A I GOT RHYTHM Brunswick BL 58013

    Esquire Metropolitan Opera House Jam Session: Louis Armstrong, Roy Eldridge, tp; Jack Teagarden, tb; Barney Bigard, d; Coleman Hawkins, ts; Art Tatum, p; Al Casey, g; Oscar Pettiford, b; Sid Catlett, d.
    Metropolitan Opera House, New York, January 18, 1944
    VP 467 MOP MOP V-Disc 152
    Same Date, omit Louis Armstrong
    VP 469 ESQUIRE BOUNCE V-Disc 163

    DISC THREE - WILLOW WEEP FOR ME

    Esquire Metropolitan Opera House Jam Session: Louis Armstrong, Roy Eldridge, tp; Coleman Hawkins, ts; Art Tatum, p.
    Metropolitan Opera House, New York, January 18, 1944 JDB-91
    MY IDEAL V-Disc 655

    Art Tatum Trio : Art Tatum, p; Tiny Grimes, g; Slam Stewart, b. Milwaukee, March 11, 1944
    EXACTLY LIKE YOU Shoestring SS105

    Art Tatum Trio : Art Tatum, p; Tiny Grimes, g; Slam Stewart, b
    New York, May 1, 1944
    T3-B-3 FLYING HOME Comet T3
    T1-B-3 DARK EYES Comet T1
    T2-A-4 BODY AND SOUL Comet T2
    T2-B-3 I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW Comet T2

    Art Tatum, p Los Angeles,
    May 1945
    1040-1 HALLELUJAH ARA 4501
    1046-1 YESTERDAYS ARA 4503

    Art Tatum, p
    "Just Jazz", Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles, April 2, 1949
    JJ82 TATUM POLE BOOGIE Columbia CL 6301

    Art Tatum, p Los Angeles, July 13, 1949
    5039 WILLOW WEEP FOR ME Capitol 15520
    5040 I COVER THE WATERFRONT Capitol 15518
    5041 AUNT HAGAR’S BLUES Capitol 15520
    5042 NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT Capitol 15519
    5043 SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME Capitol 15714
    5044 DARDANELLA Capitol H 216

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, July 25, 1949
    5045 TIME ON MY HANDS Capitol 15712
    5046 SWEET LORRAINE Capitol 15713
    5047 SOMEBODY LOVES ME Capitol 15714
    5048 DON’T BLAME ME Capitol 15713

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, September 29, 1949
    5049 MY HEART STOOD STILL Capitol 15712
    5050 YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME Capitol 15841
    5051 I GOTTA RIGHT TO SING THE BLUES Capitol H 216

    DISC FOUR - GOIN’ HOME

    Art Tatum, p
    Los Angeles, September 29, 1949
    5054 GOIN’ HOME Capitol H 269
    5055 BLUE SKIES Capitol H 216
    5056 IT’S THE TALK OF THE TOWN Capitol H 269
    5057 DANCING IN THE DARK Capitol H 216

    Art Tatum,
    Hollywood, circa 1949-50
    WRAP YOUR TROUBLES IN DREAMS Jazz Chronicles JCS 101
    JUST-A-SITTIN’ AND A-ROCKIN’ Jazz Chronicles jcs 101
    YOU’RE DRIVIN’ ME CRAZY Jazz Chronicles jcs 101
    IN A SENTIMENTAL MOOD Jazz Chronicles jcs 101
    SHE’S FUNNY THAT WAY Jazz Chronicles jcs 101
    I’LL NEVER BE THE SAME Jazz Chronicles jcs 101
    NIGHT AND DAY JazzChronicles jcs 101

    Art Tatum, p
    Crescendo Club, Hollywood, early 1950
    IT’S ONLY A PAPER MOON Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    THREE LITTLE WORDS Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    ON THE SUNNY SIDE OF THE STREET Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    WHY WAS I BORN ? Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    IF I COULD BE WITH YOU Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    MEAN TO ME Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    I GUESS I HAVE TO CHANGE MY PLANS Gene Norman Presents GNP 9025
    CAN’T WE BE FRIENDS ? Gene Norman Presents GNP 9026
    WHAT IS THIS THING CALLED LOVE ? Gene Norman Presents GNP 9026
    CRAZY RHYTHM Gene Norman Presents GNP 9026
    LIMEHOUSE BLUES Gene Norman Presents GNP 9026
    I’M COMING VIRGINIA Gene Norman Presents GNP 9026

    Art Tatum Trio: Art Tatum, p; Everett Barksdale, g; Slam Stewart, b.
    Cafe Society, New York, circa 1951
    THE MAN I LOVE Broadcast "Voice of America



    I´d like to know the duplication of this set with "Piano starts here" (Columbia) which, as far as I know, includes the famous 1932 first studio session as a leader and a concert solo performance from 1949.


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    Up with the "Piano starts here" question!

    EKE, I got the Proper box three days ago. It's a very nice collection, and it seems the early years (Decca) are covered quite exhaustive.

    How does the Past Perfect compare to the Proper?

    ubu
    Mais enfin je suis content de savoir maintenant assurément que ma chère épouse me volait. Je le sais maintenant de source sûre. Omnis a Deo scientia, ce qui veux dire: Omnis, toute; a Deo, science; scientia, vient de Dieu. Voilà l'explication du phénomène. Mais madame l'Apparition ne dit plus rien. Que ne puis-je lui offrir de quoi se réconforter. Ce qu'elle disait était très amusant. Tiens, mais il fait jour! Ah! Seigneur, de par mon cheval à finances, c'est la Mère Ubu!

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    I´ll pick the Proper Box as soon as I see it at a local store! I can´t compare it with the Past Perfect... but to my knowledge a Proper is always better than a Past!

    I recently got



    and it´s a single disc, as Peter rh stated (I mentioned a 2CD release in my first post. I guess I was wrong and was refering to this one).

    There´s some surface noise on some tracks, but the playing is astonishing. It´s on my car stereo, being spinned again and again.

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