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    Election fraud - NYT editorial


    EDITORIAL
    January 31, 2007

    Honesty in Elections

    On Election Day last fall in Maryland, fliers were handed out in black neighborhoods with the heading “Democratic Sample Ballot” and photos of black Democratic leaders — and boxes checked off beside the names of the Republican candidates for senator and governor. They were a blatant attempt to fool black voters into thinking the Republican candidates were endorsed by black Democrats. In Orange County, Calif., 14,000 Latino voters got letters in Spanish saying it was a crime for immigrants to vote in a federal election. It didn’t say that immigrants who are citizens have the right to vote.

    Dirty tricks like these turn up every election season, in large part because they are so rarely punished. But two Democratic senators, Barack Obama of Illinois and Charles Schumer of New York, are introducing a bill today that would make deceiving or intimidating voters a federal crime with substantial penalties.

    The bill aims at some of the most commonly used deceptive political tactics. It makes it a crime to knowingly tell voters the wrong day for an election. There have been numerous reports of organized efforts to use telephones, leaflets or posters to tell voters, especially in minority areas, not to vote on Election Day because voting has been postponed.

    The bill would also criminalize making false claims to voters about who has endorsed a candidate, or wrongly telling people — like immigrants who are registered voters in Orange County — that they cannot vote.

    Along with defining these crimes and providing penalties of up to five years’ imprisonment, the bill would require the Justice Department to counteract deceptive election information that has been put out, and to report to Congress after each election on what deceptive practices occurred and what the Justice Department did about them.

    The bill would also allow individuals to go to court to stop deceptive practices while they are happening. That is important, given how uninterested the current Justice Department has proved to be in cracking down on election-season dirty tricks.

    The bill is careful to avoid infringing on First Amendment rights, and that is the right course. But in steering clear of regulating speech, it is not clear how effective the measure would be in addressing one of the worst dirty tricks of last fall’s election: a particular kind of deceptive “robocall” that was used against Democratic Congressional candidates. These calls, paid for by the Republicans, sounded as if they had come from the Democrat; when a recipient hung up, the call was repeated over and over. The intent was clearly to annoy the recipients so they would not vote for the Democrat.

    While there are already laws that can be used against this sort of deceptive telephone harassment, a more specific bill aimed directly at these calls is needed. But the bill being introduced today is an important step toward making elections more honest and fair. There is no reason it should not be passed by Congress unanimously.

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    There are still those who think that because the mid-terms went in the Dems' direction and they re-took the House and Senate, that whatever the problems were in the '00 and '04 Presidential Elections have now been remedied.
    The Big Enchilada is the '08 Election and laying back, allowing the House and Senate to go to the Dems seems to have possibly been a ploy to have the responsibilty for what is happening in the Middle East now the Dems' fault, since they now have the House and the Senate.
    What is missing from that reasoning is that if the President is determined to continue the war, even escalate it, the only power that remains in the hands of the people is the power of the purse, and of public opinion.
    The military is already committed. The chaos still rages in Iraq. Iran is in the process of being fingered as yet another factor by the White House, making many think that an attack on Iran is possible.
    The news sounds eerily like that before the attack on Iraq, even down to the WMD programs, which have not been proven to exist.
    Is the Bush Administration crazy enough to provoke the Iranians into a confrontation?

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    Is the Bush Administration crazy enough to provoke the Iranians into a confrontation?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesy View Post
    Yes.
    And yes again!

    Read some of the articles by Rodrique Tremblay, a professor up in Montreal, Canada and see just what it is they, the Neo Cons, the Dick Cheney, GW Bush administration, have planned for us and the world. I posted some of his writings on the Controversial and/or Informative site yesterday, starting with post #4313 Rodrique Tremblay's articles are an interesting read. It seems he is the know about what it is the administration is all about and what it is they've already done, what it is they've been planning for over ten years, and what it is they are going to do.

    It does seem no one is going to stop Cheney and Bush, as the industrial and military complex has funded quite a few Democratic Party members as well as those in the GOP. However, it is the Neo Con's who are taking things to the extreme, endangering us all. It also seems there is no one who has the moxy, with large enough numbers behind them, able to stop them, and that's what has to be done, they have to be stopped. Things need to be turned around, we need to undo the damage that the Dick Cheney & George W. Bush have done; to us as a country, and to our standing around the world, while not terrific, it was better than now. It may not be too late to turn things around, at least not too late to make things somewhat better - if not put back together completely - it's not possible to undo the untold damage, but it's never too late to try to make good changes, and to make some sort of amends.
    Sandi from Hermosa Beach

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    But, getting back to the original subject of the thread, has anything at all been done to assure the honesty and the accuracy of the voting system?
    This is starting to look like the furor after the '00 and the '04 Presidential Elections bore little fruit when it comes to actually fixing the fraud and corruption that seemed to be involved in both those elections.
    The fraud took many forms.
    Of course, there is Diebold, whose machines and others like them were shown to be easily sabotaged.
    Then, there were other methods which were used to disenfranchize voters.
    In some states voters were accused of being criminals, long enough for their votes not to be cast.
    Apologies and reinstatement were given after the election, after those voters votes would have made a difference in the outcome of the election.
    So, I guess the question really is, what will happen in '08, since no changes have been made to remedy any of the problems in the voting system identified during and after those two elections?
    The recent mid-terms having gone to the Democratic Party seems to have quieted criticism of the voting system.
    Considering how honest the sitting Administration and their supporters have been for the last six years, how many people are confident that the voting system is now to be trusted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patricia View Post
    But, getting back to the original subject of the thread, has anything at all been done to assure the honesty and the accuracy of the voting system?
    This is starting to look like the furor after the '00 and the '04 Presidential Elections bore little fruit when it comes to actually fixing the fraud and corruption that seemed to be involved in both those elections.
    The fraud took many forms.
    Of course, there is Diebold, whose machines and others like them were shown to be easily sabotaged.
    Then, there were other methods which were used to disenfranchize voters.
    In some states voters were accused of being criminals, long enough for their votes not to be cast.
    Apologies and reinstatement were given after the election, after those voters votes would have made a difference in the outcome of the election.
    So, I guess the question really is, what will happen in '08, since no changes have been made to remedy any of the problems in the voting system identified during and after those two elections?
    The recent mid-terms having gone to the Democratic Party seems to have quieted criticism of the voting system.
    Considering how honest the sitting Administration and their supporters have been for the last six years, how many people are confident that the voting system is now to be trusted?

    Our system and our actions being "Third World Country", are we bound to become one? It seems as though this administration with their cronyism (in our courts, on capital hill and in corporate America), are bringing this about. Will they be our downfall?
    Sandi from Hermosa Beach

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    Steve Doocy is a glorified talking head that does the Weather in the morning show. That whole crew is vile.

    All the Democrats should lock out FOX. They need thier access to the power plug pulled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynn View Post
    Steve Doocy is a glorified talking head that does the Weather in the morning show. That whole crew is vile.

    All the Democrats should lock out FOX. They need thier access to the power plug pulled.
    Posted in the wrong thread so moved it over to the Controversial and/or Informative one.
    Sandi from Hermosa Beach

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