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    We could just keep everything about keyboards in this thread. Other threads in the forum seem to run forever! Here's my first entry. Stella, based on changes by Herbie and Bill:

    ||: Em7b5 | A7 | Cm7 / (C#m7,F#7) | F7 |
    Fm7 / (F#m7,B7) | Bb7 | EbMaj7 | Ab13#11 |
    BbMaj7 | Em7b5 A7 | Dm11 Cm11 | Bm7b5 E7#9 |
    A13b9 / Dsus,D7#9 | G13#11 C13 | Am7b5 | D7 |
    || G+7 | //// |Cm11 over G | //// |
    Ab13+11 over Gb | //// | DbdimMaj7 over E | BbMaj7 over F ||
    || Em7b5 | A7 | Ebm7 Ab7 | Dm7 G7 |
    Dbm7 Gb7 | Cm7b5 F7b9 | BbMaj7 | // Fm11 :||

    Changes in parentheses are for playing as a ballad and if the changes are doubled for double time soloing. Slash chords are at bass players discretion. Listen to Bill Evans rendition and Miles' "Concert in Europe", particularly what Ron Carter plays on the recording. Dbdim chord can also be written BbdimMaj7/E. Later, Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymb1 View Post
    We could just keep everything about keyboards in this thread. Other threads in the forum seem to run forever! Here's my first entry. Stella, based on changes by Herbie and Bill:

    ||: Em7b5 | A7 | Cm7 / (C#m7,F#7) | F7 |
    Fm7 / (F#m7,B7) | Bb7 | EbMaj7 | Ab13#11 |
    BbMaj7 | Em7b5 A7 | Dm11 Cm11 | Bm7b5 E7#9 |
    A13b9 / Dsus,D7#9 | G13#11 C13 | Am7b5 | D7 |
    || G+7 | //// |Cm11 over G | //// |
    Ab13+11 over Gb | //// | DbdimMaj7 over E | BbMaj7 over F ||
    || Em7b5 | A7 | Ebm7 Ab7 | Dm7 G7 |
    Dbm7 Gb7 | Cm7b5 F7b9 | BbMaj7 | // Fm11 :||

    Changes in parentheses are for playing as a ballad and if the changes are doubled for double time soloing. Slash chords are at bass players discretion. Listen to Bill Evans rendition and Miles' "Concert in Europe", particularly what Ron Carter plays on the recording. Dbdim chord can also be written BbdimMaj7/E. Later, Ray
    Thanks, Ray. Some nice stuff in there.

    Some of it doesn't work for me with the melody, but is okay as alternate changes on the solo.

    Db°Δ and Bb°Δ are of course, different chords, as the latter has an A in it. I like the latter better (actually Bb°Δ9), with a straight-up voicing ...

    C
    A
    E

    Db
    Bb
    E

    ... followed by your straight-up BbΔ9/F ...

    C
    A
    F

    D
    Bb
    (A) Optional, adds a little crunch
    F

    As many of you doubtless know, the basic changes that Miles plays on several albums (which are transcribed in several fake books, including Real Book 1), of which Ray's are a variation, are ...

    || Eĝ - - - | A7b9 - - - | Cm7 - - - | F7 - - - |

    | Fm7 - - - | Bb7 - - - | EbΔ - - - | Ab9 - - - ||

    || BbΔ - - - | Eĝ - A7b9 - | Dm7 - - - | Bbm7 - Eb7 - |

    | FΔ - - - | Eĝ - A7b9 - | Aĝ - - - | D7b9 - - - ||

    || G7b13 - - - | - - - - | Cm7 - - - | - - - - |

    | Ab9#11 - - - | - - - | BbΔ - - - | - - - - |

    || Eĝ - - - | A7b9 - - - | Dĝ - - - | G7b13 - - - |

    | Cĝ - - - | F7b9 - - - | BbΔ - - - | - - - - ||
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    Thanks Ray ... some new things to me there. Definitely some crunchies! I want to check out those recordings.

    'fraid I have don't have anything to add on this one beyond what you have and Jerry's changes, with the obvious dom7 tension tweaks and chromatic approach chords here and there.

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    Reharmonizations/subs/voicings - JustJazz

    By the way ...

    The JustJazz edited archives ...

    http://www.justjazz.com/ed/ed.htm

    ... includes reharm/subs/voicings discussion threads on a number of tunes (Stella among them), from when JustJazz was in active operation.

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    I've been mostly absent from this forum for months, and was pleased to see this thread today.

    I hardly play at all anymore, but I was pretty serious about jazz (on an amateur basis) through my 20s (which - eek - means I've been less serious for the past 15 years or so). I could count one hand the number of times I've jammed in the past decade. It's kind of sad because I always considered myself a pretty good accompanist, but disappointing soloist. But work (I'm a lawyer) and family have kept me busy.

    Maybe this thread will get me a little more inspired to play again.

    Are we also trading ideas for chord changes and substitutions here? That would be pretty cool, if it kept up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymb1 View Post
    ... Stella, based on changes by Herbie and Bill:

    ||: Em7b5 | A7 | Cm7 / (C#m7,F#7) | F7 |
    Fm7 / (F#m7,B7) | Bb7 | EbMaj7 | Ab13#11 |
    BbMaj7 | Em7b5 A7 | Dm11 Cm11 | Bm7b5 E7#9 |
    A13b9 / Dsus,D7#9 | G13#11 C13 | Am7b5 | D7 |

    || G+7 | //// |Cm11 over G | //// |
    Ab13+11 over Gb | //// | DbdimMaj7 over E | BbMaj7 over F ||
    || Em7b5 | A7 | Ebm7 Ab7 | Dm7 G7 |
    Dbm7 Gb7 | Cm7b5 F7b9 | BbMaj7 | // Fm11 :||
    Ray, your mm. 11-16 prompted this to mind (less crunchy and interesting, but I like):

    | Dm11 Cm11 | Bm7b5 Bbm7 | Am7 | Gm7 C7(9,b9) | Am11 Eb7#11 | D7#5#9 |

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    Hi Cedar. That's what I would to see in this thread. Everyone has their pet changes for their favorite tunes. We could all improve our playing by pooling our knowledge. By the way, the chords I write here are pretty much basic. In the actual soloing everything becomes altered. Later, Ray

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    Hi Ed. What I meant by the dim chords is that either one could be used, not that they were the same exact chord. In the 7th bar of the bridge you could play the BbdimMaj7 to DbdimMaj7 with the E in the bass and it sounds pretty good. Later, Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by cedar View Post
    ... Are we also trading ideas for chord changes and substitutions here? That would be pretty cool, if it kept up.
    I also created an index of changes/substitutions discussions ... here

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    I don't know where I got this, but I like the following for "Body and Soul":


    Ebmi7 / /Fm7 // Ebmi7 / /D7 / |DbMa7 // G7(b5,b9) // Fm7 / /Edim7 / /
    Dmag7/ / Bmag7// Cmi7 / / / | F13(b9) etc...

    In other words, the big change is substituting Dmag7 and Bmag7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cedar View Post
    I don't know where I got this, but I like the following for "Body and Soul":


    Ebmi7 / /Fm7 // Ebmi7 / /D7 / |DbMa7 // G7(b5,b9) // Fm7 / /Edim7 / /
    Dmag7/ / Bmag7// Cmi7 / / / | F13(b9) etc...

    In other words, the big change is substituting Dmag7 and Bmag7.
    I think G7(b5,b9) is a typo for Gb7(b5,b9).
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    Yes, you're right. That was just sloppiness by me.

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    The safe changes to play when you're jamming are:

    Ebm7/ Bb7/ | Ebm7/ D7#11 (or Ab7b9) | DbMaj7/ Gb13/ | Fm7/ Edim7/ |
    1.
    Ebm7/ Ebm/Db/ |Cm7b5/ F7/ | Bbm7/ Ebm7Ab7 | Db69/ Fm7 Bb7b9 :||
    2.
    | Db69/ Em7A7 ||

    DMaj7/ Em7/ | D/F#/ Gm7 C7 | F#m7 B7 Em7 A7 | DMaj7/// |

    Dm7/ G7/ | Em7/ Ebdim7/ | Dm7/ G7/ | C7 B7 Bb7 E7#11 ||

    First eight..||

    Later, Ray

    The first ending is the eighth bar. When I first type it in it's in the right place, after I submit it the ending moves to the wrong place. Anyone know how to fix that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymb1 View Post
    The safe changes to play when you're jamming are:

    Ebm7/ Bb7/ | Ebm7/ D7#11 (or Ab7b9) | DbMaj7/ Gb13/ | Fm7/ Edim7/ |
    .................................................. ...............1.
    Ebm7/ Ebm/Db/ |Cm7b5/ F7/ | Bbm7/ Ebm7Ab7 | Db69/ Fm7 Bb7b9 :||
    2.
    | Db69/ Em7A7 ||

    DMaj7/ Em7/ | D/F#/ Gm7 C7 | F#m7 B7 Em7 A7 | DMaj7/// |

    Dm7/ G7/ | Em7/ Ebdim7/ | Dm7/ G7/ | C7 B7 Bb7 E7#11 ||

    First eight..||

    Later, Ray

    The first ending is the eighth bar. When I first type it in it's in the right place, after I submit it the ending moves to the wrong place. Anyone know how to fix that?
    When posts are displayed, I think multiple spaces are eliminated. So if you want to have something positioned like that you have to use an actual character, like periods (as in your quoted post above), instead of just spacing over.

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    Thanks Mike. I'll remember that. Later, Ray

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