Is jungle drumming the same as quadruple time drumming?

arkitech · November 25th, 2008, 04:47 AM

I recently became familar with Erik Truffaz after hearing one of his songs on the music service offered with my cable subscription. I immediately ran out and found a copy of his "The Mask" album and I've been hooked every since. One of the things I like most about his record is that he employs jungle style drumming on many of his compositions and when coupled with a good rhodes player it has a very modern fusion type of sound.

I've been obsessed with jungle style drums every since I've heard it combined with straight ahead jazz, it's such a nice fusion. I read somewhere that it's really nothing new but just quadruple timed drumming. Can anyone confirm this? Are there any examples of it on records from the past?

Also if someone could recommend artists similar to Erik Truffaz I would be eternally grateful. THanks

arkitech · November 25th, 2008, 04:57 AM

I found a couple of clips of guys playing in that jungle style, just to illustrate what I was talking about:

KJ Sawka - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPaqkxb6hM

JoJo Mayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4iK8ZOgDM (he really warms up at the 55 second mark)

And for those who are'nt familiar with Erik Truffaz here are some live clips from his "Mask" album. I really love his style, I'm relentlessly searching for similar artists and material.

Arroyo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHrY-j7rIk

Sweet Mercy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQn-z...eature=related

Guy Hatton · November 26th, 2008, 05:40 AM

The original derivation is funk beats (eg The Winstons' Amen My Brother) with the tempo raised from about 90-100 BPM up to 160 BPM plus. The complexity came from 'slicing' the sampled beats up into individual drum hits which could then be endlessly re-ordered. What you see in the examples you posted are drummers who have in turn learned to play that technologically mutated funk 'live', bringing the whole thing round full circle.

So to answer your question: no, I don't think it's really 'quadruple time' in the accepted sense (although it is possible to make an argument that jungle drums often appear to be doubling the tempo of the accompanying bass line), just 'much faster than you would expect for that genre'.

Other opinions welcome!

jonesy · November 26th, 2008, 11:27 AM

What is meant by "jungle drumming"?

Morph · November 26th, 2008, 11:51 AM

Drumming in which the percussionist plays beats/patterns which you would normally hear in jungle music.

Jungle is a form of dance music, like drum and bass.

jonesy · November 26th, 2008, 08:34 PM

Somebody's trying to re-invent the wheel. The drum figures in the links are for the most part based on decades-old R&B/funk patterns, in particular, the Sawka clip. His figure is ripped from the Clyde Stubblefield/Jabo Starks/James Brown feel. Jungle? - I don't think so.

Barron · December 4th, 2012, 02:54 PM

Nope.

Music997 · December 6th, 2012, 05:53 PM

It's not the same but jungle drumming is an art unto itself.

I haven't listened to much jungle drumming but it's pretty cool.

November 25th, 2008, 04:47 AM	#1
arkitech Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6	Is jungle drumming the same as quadruple time drumming? I recently became familar with Erik Truffaz after hearing one of his songs on the music service offered with my cable subscription. I immediately ran out and found a copy of his "The Mask" album and I've been hooked every since. One of the things I like most about his record is that he employs jungle style drumming on many of his compositions and when coupled with a good rhodes player it has a very modern fusion type of sound. I've been obsessed with jungle style drums every since I've heard it combined with straight ahead jazz, it's such a nice fusion. I read somewhere that it's really nothing new but just quadruple timed drumming. Can anyone confirm this? Are there any examples of it on records from the past? Also if someone could recommend artists similar to Erik Truffaz I would be eternally grateful. THanks

November 26th, 2008, 05:40 AM	#3
Guy Hatton Guitarist/Composer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rochester, Kent, UK Posts: 275	The original derivation is funk beats (eg The Winstons' Amen My Brother) with the tempo raised from about 90-100 BPM up to 160 BPM plus. The complexity came from 'slicing' the sampled beats up into individual drum hits which could then be endlessly re-ordered. What you see in the examples you posted are drummers who have in turn learned to play that technologically mutated funk 'live', bringing the whole thing round full circle. So to answer your question: no, I don't think it's really 'quadruple time' in the accepted sense (although it is possible to make an argument that jungle drums often appear to be doubling the tempo of the accompanying bass line), just 'much faster than you would expect for that genre'. Other opinions welcome! __________________ Guy Hatton on the Web

December 6th, 2012, 05:53 PM	#8
Music997 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 85	It's not the same but jungle drumming is an art unto itself. I haven't listened to much jungle drumming but it's pretty cool. __________________ "You should watch these AMAZING JAZZ VIDEOS right now!" "Click Here!" Jazz Piano Videos "Get help with your JAZZ MUSIC THEORY and get 2 FREE Ebooks!" "Sign Up Right Now!" Jazz Music Theory Help

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November 25th, 2008, 04:57 AM	#2
arkitech Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6	I found a couple of clips of guys playing in that jungle style, just to illustrate what I was talking about: KJ Sawka - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNPaqkxb6hM JoJo Mayer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4iK8ZOgDM (he really warms up at the 55 second mark) And for those who are'nt familiar with Erik Truffaz here are some live clips from his "Mask" album. I really love his style, I'm relentlessly searching for similar artists and material. Arroyo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHrY-j7rIk Sweet Mercy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQn-z...eature=related

November 26th, 2008, 11:27 AM	#4
jonesy fed up Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Near a lake Posts: 1,671	What is meant by "jungle drumming"?

November 26th, 2008, 11:51 AM	#5
Morph Rookie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 237	Drumming in which the percussionist plays beats/patterns which you would normally hear in jungle music. Jungle is a form of dance music, like drum and bass.

November 26th, 2008, 08:34 PM	#6
jonesy fed up Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Near a lake Posts: 1,671	Somebody's trying to re-invent the wheel. The drum figures in the links are for the most part based on decades-old R&B/funk patterns, in particular, the Sawka clip. His figure is ripped from the Clyde Stubblefield/Jabo Starks/James Brown feel. Jungle? - I don't think so.

December 4th, 2012, 02:54 PM	#7
Barron Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Atlanta Posts: 54	Nope.