So What on guitar

GabrielSaul · December 15th, 2012, 01:36 AM

I know you must get this sort of thread on this website a lot, but I was just trying to learn a few classic jazz songs by ear so I can have a bit more versatility at jazz jams.

I think I've almost got it spot on, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong?

Dm section:
* *
e |--------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
B |--------------------8--6-----------------8--6---------
G .|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
D .|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
A |-------5-7-5--5----7--5-------5-7-5--5--7--5---------
E |-5-7-8-------8--5--------5-7-8------8-----------------

(*Em11 & Dm11?)

And then half a step up to Eb with the same pattern, of course, there's a variation on the riff that alernates on the fourth time round.

Generally, is that the gyst of it? Any fatal errors?

Thanks,

Gabriel Saul

guitarjazz · December 15th, 2012, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabrielSaul

I know you must get this sort of thread on this website a lot, but I was just trying to learn a few classic jazz songs by ear so I can have a bit more versatility at jazz jams.

I think I've almost got it spot on, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong?

Dm section:
* *
e |--------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
B |--------------------8--6-----------------8--6---------
G .|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
D .|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5---------
A |-------5-7-5--5----7--5-------5-7-5--5--7--5---------
E |-5-7-8-------8--5--------5-7-8------8-----------------

(*Em11 & Dm11?)

And then half a step up to Eb with the same pattern, of course, there's a variation on the riff that alernates on the fourth time round.

Generally, is that the gyst of it? Any fatal errors?

Thanks,

Gabriel Saul

Your sixth note (d) doesn't belong nor does your ninth note (a).

jazz oud · December 15th, 2012, 07:23 AM

The melody note A, which you have as the first note, is preceded by a D a fifth below. You either have to retune your E string or play the whole melody up an octave.

guitarjazz · December 15th, 2012, 08:22 AM

I've never learned the intro, which I've heard was composed by Gil, but I'd love to learn it someday. There is an album called Reggae Interpretation of Kind of Blue and they play the intro to it. I likes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPRzzBc3hw

GabrielSaul · December 16th, 2012, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarjazz

I've never learned the intro, which I've heard was composed by Gil, but I'd love to learn it someday. There is an album called Reggae Interpretation of Kind of Blue and they play the intro to it. I likes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPRzzBc3hw

That sounds really awesome, going to look into that.

I was confused when you mentioned that the ninth note wasn't needed, but I thought that's what the riff ended on first time around.

@jazz_oud I'm not going to worry about that sort of thing at the moment, it's near enough possible to do that on guitar, at least extremely inconvenient. It's played on bass as it is anyway.

jazz oud · December 16th, 2012, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GabrielSaul

@jazz_oud I'm not going to worry about that sort of thing at the moment, it's near enough possible to do that on guitar, at least extremely inconvenient. It's played on bass as it is anyway.

What "sort of thing"? Playing the correct melody?
Why not just play the melody as it goes? The melody isn't always played on bass. Just take the whole thing up an octave.
I mean, suit yourself, but you asked if you had it right or not.

michaelsorg · December 17th, 2012, 01:58 AM

I don't read tab, but in terms of the pick up note, I don't think it's offensive to bump that one note up the octave, especially if the bass is doubling. I'd even go as far to say that if it were a solo guitar setting, you could swap in E instead of D . It is just a ghost note, really, and the meaning of the melody remains the same. I would not leave out the pickup, however. THAT, for me, changes the meaning more. I do think that the melody sounds better down the octave.

GabrielSaul · December 17th, 2012, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelsorg

I don't read tab, but in terms of the pick up note, I don't think it's offensive to bump that one note up the octave, especially if the bass is doubling. I'd even go as far to say that if it were a solo guitar setting, you could swap in E instead of D . It is just a ghost note, really, and the meaning of the melody remains the same. I would not leave out the pickup, however. THAT, for me, changes the meaning more. I do think that the melody sounds better down the octave.

That's exactly what I meant @jazz_oud
Sorry if I seemed a bit dismissive.

As I'm trying to get the general tune of it on a guitar alone, I think when it comes to differences in octave, it's not worth the effort to correct something that becomes quite unnecessary.

GabrielSaul · December 17th, 2012, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motherlode

The music that I sent you isn't playable?

Tis much appreciated but I'm afraid I'm useless when it comes to sheet music. Probably about time I sat down and worked it out.

Mariotte · December 17th, 2012, 02:03 PM

Here is how i played, tried it.

Code:

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-----------------7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-------------7---7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-----------------7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-3h5-3h5-3h5---------8-6-
G |--------------5-7----7-5-
D |------------------7--7-5-
A |---------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

This is Section "A", it's played two times, then section "B" half tone sharp, then A again, so the form is A A B A

(In a deeper analysis of section A its divided in four, firts time the melodie end with d, seccond time it end with a a added, third time is like the firts, and in the last part you center the melodie around e)

(NOTE: in part B, the last phrase is like the seccond)

Also sometimes I use other digitation

Code:

e |---------------------7-5-
B |------------5--------8-6-
G |--------5-7---5-7----7-5-
D |---7-9---------------7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

(In the firts you use the scale that start in the fight string, seccond finger, in the latter, the one that start with the firts finger, index).

Hope its usefull

guitarjazz · December 17th, 2012, 03:20 PM

I play it in different octaves but my 'primary' way doesn't include the 'b' string, so as to try to mimic the articulation an upright bass player would use.

GabrielSaul · December 18th, 2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariotte

Here is how i played, tried it.

Code:

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-------------7---7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-----------------7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-----------5---------8-6-
G |-----4-5-7---5-7-----7-5-
D |---7-------------7---7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

e |---------------------7-5-
B |-3h5-3h5-3h5---------8-6-
G |--------------5-7----7-5-
D |------------------7--7-5-
A |---------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

This is Section "A", it's played two times, then section "B" half tone sharp, then A again, so the form is A A B A

(In a deeper analysis of section A its divided in four, firts time the melodie end with d-a, seccond it end earlier with d, third time is like the firts, and in the last part you center the melodie around e)

Also sometimes I use other digitation

Code:

e |---------------------7-5-
B |------------5--------8-6-
G |--------5-7---5-7----7-5-
D |---7-9------------7--7-5-
A |-5-------------------7-5-
E |-------------------------

(In the firts you use the scale that start in the fight string, seccond finger, in the latter, the one that start with the firts finger, index).

Hope its usefull

Brilliant, thanks so much!

That solves the low note problem then, certainly more appropriate for guitar, I was being lazy before. :P

Mariotte · December 18th, 2012, 09:02 AM

I'm glad it was usefull.

I was thinking that, as the lower note in the melodie is a d, it can be played in a lower octave just lowering the sixth string, drop d tunning, so it sounds more like the bass in the song (the chords played in other octave). This lower d is also usefull for the bass in sections A's.

Mariotte · December 20th, 2012, 10:21 AM

Hi, I edited a detail I messed up in the tab. I was listening to So What and I realise I have mess up the order in which every phrase entered, now there are correct (the order was swapped). Also in section B, in the last phrase of it, the last part its equal to the seccond.

Another (good) thing is that I payed attention to the articulation of the melodie (someone there brought it up), there are some slides I didn't payed attention to, and little rhythm nuances I simplified in my memory.

guitarjazz · December 20th, 2012, 12:57 PM

I've played SW on the bandstand a gillion times and it's rare that the head gets played correctly. Nine times out of ten the 'B' section ends up being played just like the 'A' section. There are worse crimes but it's kinda neat when it's right.
I also enjoy playing Blue in Green like the album, with each measures eventually turning into one beat.

December 15th, 2012, 01:36 AM	#1
GabrielSaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 26	So What on guitar I know you must get this sort of thread on this website a lot, but I was just trying to learn a few classic jazz songs by ear so I can have a bit more versatility at jazz jams. I think I've almost got it spot on, can anyone correct me if I'm wrong? Dm section: * * e \|--------------------7--5-----------------7--5--------- B \|--------------------8--6-----------------8--6--------- G .\|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5--------- D .\|-------------------7--5-----------------7--5--------- A \|-------5-7-5--5----7--5-------5-7-5--5--7--5--------- E \|-5-7-8-------8--5--------5-7-8------8----------------- (*Em11 & Dm11?) And then half a step up to Eb with the same pattern, of course, there's a variation on the riff that alernates on the fourth time round. Generally, is that the gyst of it? Any fatal errors? Thanks, Gabriel Saul

December 15th, 2012, 07:23 AM	#3
jazz oud Guitarist/Oudist/Composer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,651	The melody note A, which you have as the first note, is preceded by a D a fifth below. You either have to retune your E string or play the whole melody up an octave. __________________ jazzscience.blogspot.com arabicjazz.blogspot.com

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December 15th, 2012, 08:22 AM	#4
guitarjazz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,138	I've never learned the intro, which I've heard was composed by Gil, but I'd love to learn it someday. There is an album called Reggae Interpretation of Kind of Blue and they play the intro to it. I likes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPRzzBc3hw

December 17th, 2012, 01:58 AM	#7
michaelsorg Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Siegburg, Germany (near Bonn) Posts: 237	I don't read tab, but in terms of the pick up note, I don't think it's offensive to bump that one note up the octave, especially if the bass is doubling. I'd even go as far to say that if it were a solo guitar setting, you could swap in E instead of D . It is just a ghost note, really, and the meaning of the melody remains the same. I would not leave out the pickup, however. THAT, for me, changes the meaning more. I do think that the melody sounds better down the octave.

December 17th, 2012, 03:20 PM	#11
guitarjazz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,138	I play it in different octaves but my 'primary' way doesn't include the 'b' string, so as to try to mimic the articulation an upright bass player would use.

December 18th, 2012, 09:02 AM	#13
Mariotte Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 36	I'm glad it was usefull. I was thinking that, as the lower note in the melodie is a d, it can be played in a lower octave just lowering the sixth string, drop d tunning, so it sounds more like the bass in the song (the chords played in other octave). This lower d is also usefull for the bass in sections A's.

December 20th, 2012, 10:21 AM	#14
Mariotte Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 36	Hi, I edited a detail I messed up in the tab. I was listening to So What and I realise I have mess up the order in which every phrase entered, now there are correct (the order was swapped). Also in section B, in the last phrase of it, the last part its equal to the seccond. Another (good) thing is that I payed attention to the articulation of the melodie (someone there brought it up), there are some slides I didn't payed attention to, and little rhythm nuances I simplified in my memory.

December 20th, 2012, 12:57 PM	#15
guitarjazz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,138	I've played SW on the bandstand a gillion times and it's rare that the head gets played correctly. Nine times out of ten the 'B' section ends up being played just like the 'A' section. There are worse crimes but it's kinda neat when it's right. I also enjoy playing Blue in Green like the album, with each measures eventually turning into one beat.