For All Tubby Hayes Fans - Page 77

David P · February 27th, 2013, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerFarbey

From what I can make out on the Proper Music site this new compilation features in addition to the Tempo Tubby's Groove recordings, the first six Tubbs albums recorded for Fontana [Tubbs, Tubbs in NY, Equation in Rhythm, Down in the Village, Late Spot at Scott's, Return Visit plus the Palladium Jazz Date shared with Cleo Laine, with 3 tracks from Tubbs. Simon will correct me if this is wrong. Also, from what I can ascertain these Fontana recordings with the exception of the Palladium one are in stereo. The New York and Return Visit tracks are very hard to find in stereo now so for anyone who hasn't already got these, this release is an absolute MUST. Plus of course the liner notes which always add a new dimension to any historic releases (although available on iTunes when will Apple and the other download companies address the thorny issue of liner notes - or lack of them?).

Plus a couple of tracks from the sound track of "All Night Long" .... but not the one with Tubbs playing vibes with Charles Mingus.

SimonSpill · March 12th, 2013, 10:42 AM

I see Verve are relaunching in the UK.

Anyone think it's time that I.....er, someone.....raided the Universal vaults for all that unissued Tubby stuff from Fontana?

Shall we lobby en-masse?

WestUpperZombie · March 12th, 2013, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSpill

I see Verve are relaunching in the UK.

Anyone think it's time that I.....er, someone.....raided the Universal vaults for all that unissued Tubby stuff from Fontana?

Shall we lobby en-masse?

Simon, where you lead we shall follow

SimonSpill · March 12th, 2013, 11:06 AM

Haha!!

We know that the late Richard Cook uncovered unreleased material during the brief Re-Dial period in the late 1990's. Apparently there's more stuff from Mexican Green (with Jeff Clyne and Ron Mathewson together!) and more, which may include a whole album with Gordon Beck's trio from 1965, the other "half" of the 100% Proof album, several aborted sessions with Louis Stewart or Mike Pyne, some "out-takes" from the 1963 singles session with the quintet and a live recording from the Bulls Head at Barnes.

That is presuming nothing has been wiped - I'm being realistic!

I should also add that the latest Savage-Solweig release has been delayed, due to the usual restrictions of small, independent labels.

(PS - check out the new Ronnie Scott double on Acrobat - lots of great stuff from the guv'nor, including the rare Steve Race Jazz Stars single from 1962.)

David P · March 12th, 2013, 02:11 PM

Just let me know who to lobby and I will be with you "on the case".

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSpill

I see Verve are relaunching in the UK.

Anyone think it's time that I.....er, someone.....raided the Universal vaults for all that unissued Tubby stuff from Fontana?

Shall we lobby en-masse?

SimonSpill · March 12th, 2013, 04:01 PM

Seriously, if these things still exist they need the right presentation before its too late. I can't see any of us being that happy should such important music either a) come out simply as downloads or b) more importantly, not come out at all. I still have visions of a Tubby on Fontana boxed set - similar to the way Sony have handled Miles.

While I'm on my soapbox, I'm also going to continue pushing for as many live/unissued recordings to come out as possible. Savage-Solweig is one avenue, but there are others. Gearbox Fecords have some more Tubbs in the pipeline, including a live London gig from 1972 and some recordings made in Germany in 1959. I have also discussed with another label the possible release of some previously unissued material by the Jazz Couriers from 1958-59.

The response to all the archive releases over the past few years has been very positive indeed, which is very good news, but there are still some existing studio sessions that need re-release, including Change of Setting with Paul Gonsalves (apparently the master tapes have gone AWOL) and The Orchestra. I wrote to Sunbeam Records, who released Terry Smith and Ray Warleigh's Philips albums, which are very similar in content, and suggested they may like to tackle Tubby, but got no reply.
I am also convinced that more material must exist from the November 1966 Jazz Tete a Tete album shared with Tony Coe, released on 77 Records.

Finally, did anyone see the wonderful Ella Fitzgerald CD/DVD set that came out a few years ago, Ella at the BBC. I'd like to see something similar for Tubby, featuring licensed TV shows as well as BBC Jazz Club recordings. Even if the Beeb don't have some of these programmes, there are plenty out there in the hands of the surviving musicians.

It never ceases to amaze me how new things keep turning up; only last year an acetate of Tubby playing soprano was found and just before Christmas Tony Hall discovered a master tape for Tubby's Groove in his attic! I'm chatting up Trunk Records about the former and another label about a remaster of T.G.

I'm going to keep on keeping on! Wish me luck!

Tenorman · March 13th, 2013, 07:24 AM

So having just bought an LP of Tubby's Groove, what have I just purchased?

As well as an LP of one Simon Spillett!!!!

SimonSpill · March 14th, 2013, 02:50 AM

From the Herald Scotland.

A chance to get re-acquainted with Chubby Hayes, a true giant of jazz

Published on 14 March 2013

Rob Adams

It should come as no surprise that, as the 40th anniversary of his untimely death approaches in June, Tubby Hayes remains an inspiration to aspiring young musicians and the subject of the sort of complete-set collecting among fans that's usually reserved for American jazz musicians such as Bill Evans and Art Pepper.

The often-maligned CD reissue avalanche that, in pop and rock music, might be considered cashing in on old recordings that have already been paid for many times over, has brought forth dozens of Hayes sessions that were thought lost, previously unknown or just plain unavailable. And as the latest of these releases, Proper Records' 4CD box Little Giant Steps, illustrates, the consistently high quality of Hayes' work as a saxophonist, flautist, vibes player, composer and arranger is deserving of being shouted about from the rooftops.

Hayes wasn't quite an infant jazz prodigy. He began tenor saxophone at the age of 12, having previously taken violin lessons from his studio violinist father and learned to play the piano, and within just a couple of years he had attained a frightening proficiency. We know this from the testimony of Ronnie Scott, Soho jazz club owner and himself no mean tenor talent.

When Scott arrived at a jazz club in Raynes Park in South West London as its star guest one night in 1950, the then 15-year-old Hayes had been playing with the house band for a few months and was persuaded to ask Scott if he might sit in on a few numbers. Scott agreed and later recalled that he'd been joined on stage by "a little boy, not much bigger than his saxophone," who put his instrument to his lips and proceeded to scare him to death. Hayes wasn't exactly a boy but he wasn't tall, hence the Little Giant Steps of this latest Properbox and its predecessor, the Little Giant.

Eight years after their auspicious meeting, the twin tenor partnership of that evening would be fronting one of the fabled bands in British jazz, the Jazz Couriers. By this time Hayes, who had turned professional not long after his joust with Scott, had had big band experience with Vic Lewis and Ambrose, where he learned much about arranging from Edinburgh-born composer Johnny Keating and gained valuable insights into rhythm from his own future drummer, the brilliant but wayward Phil Seamen. Hayes had also led his own band, which he candidly admitted was a disaster.

When Little Giant Steps picks up his story, told superbly in the accompanying booklet by Hayes expert and fellow saxophonist Simon Spillett, Hayes has seen the Jazz Couriers collapse due to the limitations of the British jazz scene of the time but has remained so high in Ronnie Scott's esteem as to be considered the obvious choice to open Scott's jazz club in 1959. He had also recorded with American musicians for the first time – a session for Blue Note Records, no less, with trumpeter Donald Byrd and drummer Art Taylor guesting on Jamaican trumpeter Dizzy Reece's Blues in Trinity album – and had experimented with multi-tracked recording years ahead of the Beatles.

The years covered by Little Giant Steps (1959-1962) were similarly momentous. The set begins with Hayes leading his quartet featuring pianist Terry Shannon, bassist Jeff Clyne and the shortly to be ignominiously sacked Seamen. All the Hayes qualities are present: great tone, huge drive, implacable vigour and exuberant, virtuosic soloing that would lead some to say he played too many notes. But as Hayes would say in his own defence, he loved to play ballads too and was as thoughtful at that tempo as he was uncatchable on the fire-starters such as The Surrey with the Fringe on Top.

Hayes may have felt British jazz players lacking once he had achieved the feat of being accepted in America but as the Properbox illustrates, that didn't stop him leading a home-reared big band that could have held its own with most others of the time.

Little Giant Steps documents his New York recordings, where he more than held his ground with Clark Terry, James Moody, Roland Kirk and Horace Parlan and the quintet he formed with Dundonian trumpeter Jimmy Deuchar. It too was masterly, although it's tempting to speculate if Deuchar had any input behind Hayes's In the Night having an opening sequence that's very similar to Ye Banks and Braes o' Bonnie Doon.

Hayes would go on to work with Charles Mingus and dep for Paul Gonsalves in the Duke Elllington Orchestra. He was also reunited briefly with old pal Victor Feldman in Los Angeles and as a seasoned session player he could easily have joined Feldman in his illustrious studio work. Whether that would have prevented his heart problems or stopped him dying on an operating table aged 38 in 1973, no-one knows. What is certain, though, is that in his short life Hayes created an astonishing legacy. Little Giant Steps is a great place to start and happily, there's more, much more out there.

Little Giant Steps is available through Proper Records.

SimonSpill · March 17th, 2013, 12:25 PM

Just to let everyone know that Jazz Journal will be publishing an excerpt from my biography of Tubby in May.

If nothing else, it proves the book exists!

Tenorman · March 17th, 2013, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSpill

From the Herald Scotland.

A chance to get re-acquainted with Chubby Hayes, a true giant of jazz

We Scots are very diplomatic
Tubby sounds sizeist
Chubby sounds cute and endearing

I'll retire to my croft now!!!!!!

SimonSpill · March 30th, 2013, 10:36 AM

Really pleased to see a great review for the new Properbox in the April Jazz Journal.

David P · April 6th, 2013, 03:40 AM

Now that Tony Hall has taken over as Director General of the BBC, is there any hope of him unearthing lost BBC Jazz Club sessions by Tubby?

Or is he not that Tony Hall?!......

RogerFarbey · April 6th, 2013, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonSpill

Really pleased to see a great review for the new Properbox in the April Jazz Journal.

And a good one in last night's London Evening Standard too...

http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/m...3-8561688.html

(scroll down to read it)

Tenorman · April 6th, 2013, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David P

Now that Tony Hall has taken over as Director General of the BBC, is there any hope of him unearthing lost BBC Jazz Club sessions by Tubby?

Or is he not that Tony Hall?!......

I think I have a couple of tracks of Tubbiy's on a couple of Jazz Club LPs, but presumable there are more as yet unreleased ones

SimonSpill · April 6th, 2013, 04:23 PM

It's not the same Tony Hall.

Tubby's BBC output was enormous - the forthcoming Tubby Hayes discography by Tom Davis and myself (to be published by Names and Numbers) will detail as much of it as we've been able to trace.

March 12th, 2013, 10:42 AM	#1142
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	Verve UK I see Verve are relaunching in the UK. Anyone think it's time that I.....er, someone.....raided the Universal vaults for all that unissued Tubby stuff from Fontana? Shall we lobby en-masse?

March 12th, 2013, 04:01 PM	#1146
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	progress report Seriously, if these things still exist they need the right presentation before its too late. I can't see any of us being that happy should such important music either a) come out simply as downloads or b) more importantly, not come out at all. I still have visions of a Tubby on Fontana boxed set - similar to the way Sony have handled Miles. While I'm on my soapbox, I'm also going to continue pushing for as many live/unissued recordings to come out as possible. Savage-Solweig is one avenue, but there are others. Gearbox Fecords have some more Tubbs in the pipeline, including a live London gig from 1972 and some recordings made in Germany in 1959. I have also discussed with another label the possible release of some previously unissued material by the Jazz Couriers from 1958-59. The response to all the archive releases over the past few years has been very positive indeed, which is very good news, but there are still some existing studio sessions that need re-release, including Change of Setting with Paul Gonsalves (apparently the master tapes have gone AWOL) and The Orchestra. I wrote to Sunbeam Records, who released Terry Smith and Ray Warleigh's Philips albums, which are very similar in content, and suggested they may like to tackle Tubby, but got no reply. I am also convinced that more material must exist from the November 1966 Jazz Tete a Tete album shared with Tony Coe, released on 77 Records. Finally, did anyone see the wonderful Ella Fitzgerald CD/DVD set that came out a few years ago, Ella at the BBC. I'd like to see something similar for Tubby, featuring licensed TV shows as well as BBC Jazz Club recordings. Even if the Beeb don't have some of these programmes, there are plenty out there in the hands of the surviving musicians. It never ceases to amaze me how new things keep turning up; only last year an acetate of Tubby playing soprano was found and just before Christmas Tony Hall discovered a master tape for Tubby's Groove in his attic! I'm chatting up Trunk Records about the former and another label about a remaster of T.G. I'm going to keep on keeping on! Wish me luck!

March 13th, 2013, 07:24 AM	#1147
Tenorman AAJ's Spammer Exterminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London - expat Scot Posts: 12,125	So having just bought an LP of Tubby's Groove, what have I just purchased? As well as an LP of one Simon Spillett!!!! __________________ Birth Controller to the Jazz Community. (click on the underlined text for more information)

March 14th, 2013, 02:50 AM	#1148
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	Chubby? From the Herald Scotland. A chance to get re-acquainted with Chubby Hayes, a true giant of jazz Published on 14 March 2013 Rob Adams It should come as no surprise that, as the 40th anniversary of his untimely death approaches in June, Tubby Hayes remains an inspiration to aspiring young musicians and the subject of the sort of complete-set collecting among fans that's usually reserved for American jazz musicians such as Bill Evans and Art Pepper. The often-maligned CD reissue avalanche that, in pop and rock music, might be considered cashing in on old recordings that have already been paid for many times over, has brought forth dozens of Hayes sessions that were thought lost, previously unknown or just plain unavailable. And as the latest of these releases, Proper Records' 4CD box Little Giant Steps, illustrates, the consistently high quality of Hayes' work as a saxophonist, flautist, vibes player, composer and arranger is deserving of being shouted about from the rooftops. Hayes wasn't quite an infant jazz prodigy. He began tenor saxophone at the age of 12, having previously taken violin lessons from his studio violinist father and learned to play the piano, and within just a couple of years he had attained a frightening proficiency. We know this from the testimony of Ronnie Scott, Soho jazz club owner and himself no mean tenor talent. When Scott arrived at a jazz club in Raynes Park in South West London as its star guest one night in 1950, the then 15-year-old Hayes had been playing with the house band for a few months and was persuaded to ask Scott if he might sit in on a few numbers. Scott agreed and later recalled that he'd been joined on stage by "a little boy, not much bigger than his saxophone," who put his instrument to his lips and proceeded to scare him to death. Hayes wasn't exactly a boy but he wasn't tall, hence the Little Giant Steps of this latest Properbox and its predecessor, the Little Giant. Eight years after their auspicious meeting, the twin tenor partnership of that evening would be fronting one of the fabled bands in British jazz, the Jazz Couriers. By this time Hayes, who had turned professional not long after his joust with Scott, had had big band experience with Vic Lewis and Ambrose, where he learned much about arranging from Edinburgh-born composer Johnny Keating and gained valuable insights into rhythm from his own future drummer, the brilliant but wayward Phil Seamen. Hayes had also led his own band, which he candidly admitted was a disaster. When Little Giant Steps picks up his story, told superbly in the accompanying booklet by Hayes expert and fellow saxophonist Simon Spillett, Hayes has seen the Jazz Couriers collapse due to the limitations of the British jazz scene of the time but has remained so high in Ronnie Scott's esteem as to be considered the obvious choice to open Scott's jazz club in 1959. He had also recorded with American musicians for the first time – a session for Blue Note Records, no less, with trumpeter Donald Byrd and drummer Art Taylor guesting on Jamaican trumpeter Dizzy Reece's Blues in Trinity album – and had experimented with multi-tracked recording years ahead of the Beatles. The years covered by Little Giant Steps (1959-1962) were similarly momentous. The set begins with Hayes leading his quartet featuring pianist Terry Shannon, bassist Jeff Clyne and the shortly to be ignominiously sacked Seamen. All the Hayes qualities are present: great tone, huge drive, implacable vigour and exuberant, virtuosic soloing that would lead some to say he played too many notes. But as Hayes would say in his own defence, he loved to play ballads too and was as thoughtful at that tempo as he was uncatchable on the fire-starters such as The Surrey with the Fringe on Top. Hayes may have felt British jazz players lacking once he had achieved the feat of being accepted in America but as the Properbox illustrates, that didn't stop him leading a home-reared big band that could have held its own with most others of the time. Little Giant Steps documents his New York recordings, where he more than held his ground with Clark Terry, James Moody, Roland Kirk and Horace Parlan and the quintet he formed with Dundonian trumpeter Jimmy Deuchar. It too was masterly, although it's tempting to speculate if Deuchar had any input behind Hayes's In the Night having an opening sequence that's very similar to Ye Banks and Braes o' Bonnie Doon. Hayes would go on to work with Charles Mingus and dep for Paul Gonsalves in the Duke Elllington Orchestra. He was also reunited briefly with old pal Victor Feldman in Los Angeles and as a seasoned session player he could easily have joined Feldman in his illustrious studio work. Whether that would have prevented his heart problems or stopped him dying on an operating table aged 38 in 1973, no-one knows. What is certain, though, is that in his short life Hayes created an astonishing legacy. Little Giant Steps is a great place to start and happily, there's more, much more out there. Little Giant Steps is available through Proper Records.

March 17th, 2013, 12:25 PM	#1149
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	Jazz Journal Just to let everyone know that Jazz Journal will be publishing an excerpt from my biography of Tubby in May. If nothing else, it proves the book exists!

March 12th, 2013, 11:06 AM	#1144
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	Haha!! We know that the late Richard Cook uncovered unreleased material during the brief Re-Dial period in the late 1990's. Apparently there's more stuff from Mexican Green (with Jeff Clyne and Ron Mathewson together!) and more, which may include a whole album with Gordon Beck's trio from 1965, the other "half" of the 100% Proof album, several aborted sessions with Louis Stewart or Mike Pyne, some "out-takes" from the 1963 singles session with the quintet and a live recording from the Bulls Head at Barnes. That is presuming nothing has been wiped - I'm being realistic! I should also add that the latest Savage-Solweig release has been delayed, due to the usual restrictions of small, independent labels. (PS - check out the new Ronnie Scott double on Acrobat - lots of great stuff from the guv'nor, including the rare Steve Race Jazz Stars single from 1962.)

March 30th, 2013, 10:36 AM	#1151
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	Really pleased to see a great review for the new Properbox in the April Jazz Journal.

April 6th, 2013, 03:40 AM	#1152
David P Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 43	BBC Archive Now that Tony Hall has taken over as Director General of the BBC, is there any hope of him unearthing lost BBC Jazz Club sessions by Tubby? Or is he not that Tony Hall?!......

April 6th, 2013, 04:23 PM	#1155
SimonSpill Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 571	It's not the same Tony Hall. Tubby's BBC output was enormous - the forthcoming Tubby Hayes discography by Tom Davis and myself (to be published by Names and Numbers) will detail as much of it as we've been able to trace.

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