Personnel: Music from the Connection

[mulderxcoltrane]

Hi all,

This Freddie Redd album has some conflicting personnel listed online.
Some sources say Jackie McLean is on it, some say Tina Brooks, others say both.
Anyone know for sure?

[JETman]

Originally Posted by mulderxcoltrane

Hi all,

This Freddie Redd album has some conflicting personnel listed online.
Some sources say Jackie McLean is on it, some say Tina Brooks, others say both.
Anyone know for sure?

Jackie McLean is on this version:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-mu...--mw0000665212

Tina Brooks is on this version:
Date: June 13, 1960
Location: Bell Sound Studio B, New York City
Label: Felsted

Freddie Redd (ldr), Tina Brooks (ts), Howard McGhee (t), Freddie Redd (p), Milt Hinton (b), Osie Johnson (d)
a. a-01 Who Killed Cock Robin - 4:25 (Freddie Redd)
b. a-02 Music Forever - 3:46 (Freddie Redd)
c. a-03 Wigglin' - 4:55 (Freddie Redd)
d. a-04 O. D. - 3:42 (Freddie Redd)
e. b-01 Jim Dunn's Dilemma - 3:57 (Freddie Redd)
f. b-02 Time To Smile - 3:53 (Freddie Redd)
g. b-03 Theme For Sister Salvation - 4:36 (Freddie Redd)
All titles on: Felsted LP 12": FL 7512 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity LP 12": BOP 4 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity CD: CD BOP 019 — Music From The Connection (1995)

Originally issued under Howard McGhee's name with Freddie Redd listed as "I Ching".

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[mulderxcoltrane]

Originally Posted by JETman

Jackie McLean is on this version:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-mu...--mw0000665212

Tina Brooks is on this version:
Date: June 13, 1960
Location: Bell Sound Studio B, New York City
Label: Felsted

Freddie Redd (ldr), Tina Brooks (ts), Howard McGhee (t), Freddie Redd (p), Milt Hinton (b), Osie Johnson (d)
a. a-01 Who Killed Cock Robin - 4:25 (Freddie Redd)
b. a-02 Music Forever - 3:46 (Freddie Redd)
c. a-03 Wigglin' - 4:55 (Freddie Redd)
d. a-04 O. D. - 3:42 (Freddie Redd)
e. b-01 Jim Dunn's Dilemma - 3:57 (Freddie Redd)
f. b-02 Time To Smile - 3:53 (Freddie Redd)
g. b-03 Theme For Sister Salvation - 4:36 (Freddie Redd)
All titles on: Felsted LP 12": FL 7512 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity LP 12": BOP 4 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity CD: CD BOP 019 — Music From The Connection (1995)

Originally issued under Howard McGhee's name with Freddie Redd listed as "I Ching".

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So, same tunes, different musicians?

Although it's in a different order, the tracks are the same.

[JETman]

Originally Posted by mulderxcoltrane

So, same tunes, different musicians?

Although it's in a different order, the tracks are the same.

Here be the 2 sessions, 4 months apart AND recorded for 2 different record labels:

Date: February 15, 1960
Location: Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ
Label: Blue Note

Freddie Redd (ldr), Jackie McLean (as), Freddie Redd (p), Michael Mattos (b), Larry Ritchie (d)
a. tk 2 Time To Smile - 6:23 (Freddie Redd)
b. tk 4 Jim Dunn's Dilemma - 5:37 (Freddie Redd)
c. tk 10 Wigglin' - 5:57 (Freddie Redd)
d. tk 14 Music Forever - 5:52 (Freddie Redd)
e. tk 16 Theme For Sister Salvation - 4:44 (Freddie Redd)
f. tk 17 Who Killed Cock Robin - 5:19 (Freddie Redd)
g. tk 21 O. D. - 4:42 (Freddie Redd)
All titles on: Blue Note LP 12": BST 84027 — The Music From 'The Connection'
Mosaic CD: MD2-124 — The Complete Blue Note Recordings Of Freddie Redd (1989)
Blue Note CD: CDP 0777 7 89392 2 1 — The Music From 'The Connection' (1994)
Blue Note CD: 7243 5 63836 2 3 — The Music From 'The Connection' (2005)

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Date: June 13, 1960
Location: Bell Sound Studio B, New York City
Label: Felsted

Freddie Redd (ldr), Tina Brooks (ts), Howard McGhee (t), Freddie Redd (p), Milt Hinton (b), Osie Johnson (d)
a. a-01 Who Killed Cock Robin - 4:25 (Freddie Redd)
b. a-02 Music Forever - 3:46 (Freddie Redd)
c. a-03 Wigglin' - 4:55 (Freddie Redd)
d. a-04 O. D. - 3:42 (Freddie Redd)
e. b-01 Jim Dunn's Dilemma - 3:57 (Freddie Redd)
f. b-02 Time To Smile - 3:53 (Freddie Redd)
g. b-03 Theme For Sister Salvation - 4:36 (Freddie Redd)
All titles on: Felsted LP 12": FL 7512 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity LP 12": BOP 4 — Music From The Connection
Boplicity CD: CD BOP 019 — Music From The Connection (1995)

Originally issued under Howard McGhee's name with Freddie Redd listed as "I Ching".

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The Blue Note date is a quartet with one horn, and the Felsted date is a quintet with 2 horns. This sessionography comes from the Jazz Discography site. Mark it, use it and abuse it!:

http://www.jazzdiscography.com/index.php

Here's an extraordinarily comprehensive Miles Davis site which should help answer all of those questions:

http://www.plosin.com/milesahead/

[mulderxcoltrane]

Originally Posted by JETman

This sessionography comes from the Jazz Discography site. Mark it, use it and abuse it!:

http://www.jazzdiscography.com/index.php

Here's an extraordinarily comprehensive Miles Davis site which should help answer all of those questions:

http://www.plosin.com/milesahead/

Ok- so, educate me on using discographies:

How do I find out if material from a standard release is included on a compilation?

[JETman]

Originally Posted by mulderxcoltrane

Ok- so, educate me on using discographies:

How do I find out if material from a standard release is included on a compilation?

What specifically are you looking for?

[mulderxcoltrane]

Well, it's an issue that always comes up for me, especially when finding stuff where my favorite players are sidemen.

In this case, I stumbled upon the Kenny Burrell and Coltrane release, but I think it's on Coltrane's Prestige box set. Did my Scooby Doo work prove successful?

[JETman]

Originally Posted by mulderxcoltrane

Well, it's an issue that always comes up for me, especially when finding stuff where my favorite players are sidemen.

In this case, I stumbled upon the Kenny Burrell and Coltrane release, but I think it's on Coltrane's Prestige box set. Did my Scooby Doo work prove successful?

I believe so. Are you trying to collect everything you want in nice, neat little boxed sets? From personal experience, I can tell you that that's easier said than done. But I admire your persistence! Remember that the whole collecting thing is a journey and not a race. Most here on this board have been at this for decades.

I came to jazz through rock (as I suppose is the case for lots here). The natural starting point was fusion. Realizing that everybody pretty much played with everybody else at one time or another, I worked my way backwards seeking out the past work of players I discovered and liked. Just one example: Weather Report ==> Wayne Shorter ==> Miles Davis ==> Shorter solo ==> Lee Morgan ==> Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers ==> Hank Mobley ==> The Blue Note Label, and so on. Going on this journey, it was also completely natural that I bought many albums that appeared in boxed sets I later purchased. There is almost no way to avoid this.

Without knowing who your targets for boxed sets are, the best thing I could tell you is to start with

www.allmusic.com

to look up an artist and see if there are boxed sets for said artists. Look up both the "main albums" AND "compilations" tags for each artist.

[PDEE]

How do I find out if material from a standard release is included on a compilation?

Good discographies list every issue of any particular track where it appears up to the date of issue of that particular discography.