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DoorMouseForker · May 2nd, 2013, 07:25 AM

Hi, I see that a scale you mentioned that you like, Dorian plus a tritone, is in the circle of Fifths at the center, the 7 center notes, the center note being the tritone itself. I had been fascinated with the root-b2-b5-7 tetrachord, and I finally got curious what are the two notes on either side and there it is.

DoorMouseForker · May 5th, 2013, 11:19 AM

I have been improvising on the 72 Melakarta scales, alot of them at first sound like the notes are conflicting, really its tension rather than conflicts. Half of them contain one of the blues pentatonics as a subset, about two thirds of them contain either one of the blues pentatonics or one of the dominant pentatonics as a subset, they all contain some Hirajoshi like structures or interesting tetrachords so they all work one way or another, its just on some of them we dont immediately sense what the key to it is.

This one for example, Vanaspati which is named for the Lord of the Forest,
thats r-b2-2-4-5-6-b7, thats 1132212 in intervals, thats RxxooxoxoxxoR,
so the 2nd half of it is like Dorian, the first half of it is like the suspended pentatonic plus a flat second, really the thing contains both the Suspended pentatonic and Ritusen - so that isnt as much as the classical modes - but that is alot of places where the Grand Arpeggio intersects.

On the Magnificent Augmented Tuning of 27 Virtues, as popularized by Ralph Patt, these Grand Arpeggios have a really neat shape.

Where you can descend 5 semitones 3 or more times in a row, you have this:

oooR
ooxo
oxoo
xooR
ooxo
oxoo
XooR

Where you can descend 7 semitones 3 or more times in a row:

Rooo
oooo
oxoo
oooo
ooxo
oooo
oooR

Not that any of you probably care about this shape, practially speaking, that much, because you probably arent using the Magnificent Augmented Tuning of 27 Virtues, but whatever tuning it is is gonna have this in some shape or another.

So when you have 1 or more modes of the blues pentatonic as a subset of a larger scale, you have alot of places where the Grand Arpeggios intersect.

This Vanaspati scale, far from being conflicted, is very rich with possibilities, and alot of the other 72 Melakarta scales are more rich than they would seem by only looking at the surface.

DoorMouseForker · May 6th, 2013, 04:20 PM

ooox I mean

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May 2nd, 2013, 07:25 AM	#1561
DoorMouseForker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	Hi, I see that a scale you mentioned that you like, Dorian plus a tritone, is in the circle of Fifths at the center, the 7 center notes, the center note being the tritone itself. I had been fascinated with the root-b2-b5-7 tetrachord, and I finally got curious what are the two notes on either side and there it is.

May 5th, 2013, 11:19 AM	#1562
DoorMouseForker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	I have been improvising on the 72 Melakarta scales, alot of them at first sound like the notes are conflicting, really its tension rather than conflicts. Half of them contain one of the blues pentatonics as a subset, about two thirds of them contain either one of the blues pentatonics or one of the dominant pentatonics as a subset, they all contain some Hirajoshi like structures or interesting tetrachords so they all work one way or another, its just on some of them we dont immediately sense what the key to it is. This one for example, Vanaspati which is named for the Lord of the Forest, thats r-b2-2-4-5-6-b7, thats 1132212 in intervals, thats RxxooxoxoxxoR, so the 2nd half of it is like Dorian, the first half of it is like the suspended pentatonic plus a flat second, really the thing contains both the Suspended pentatonic and Ritusen - so that isnt as much as the classical modes - but that is alot of places where the Grand Arpeggio intersects. On the Magnificent Augmented Tuning of 27 Virtues, as popularized by Ralph Patt, these Grand Arpeggios have a really neat shape. Where you can descend 5 semitones 3 or more times in a row, you have this: oooR ooxo oxoo xooR ooxo oxoo XooR Where you can descend 7 semitones 3 or more times in a row: Rooo oooo oxoo oooo ooxo oooo oooR Not that any of you probably care about this shape, practially speaking, that much, because you probably arent using the Magnificent Augmented Tuning of 27 Virtues, but whatever tuning it is is gonna have this in some shape or another. So when you have 1 or more modes of the blues pentatonic as a subset of a larger scale, you have alot of places where the Grand Arpeggios intersect. This Vanaspati scale, far from being conflicted, is very rich with possibilities, and alot of the other 72 Melakarta scales are more rich than they would seem by only looking at the surface.

May 6th, 2013, 04:20 PM	#1563
DoorMouseForker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 23	ooox I mean