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April 10th, 2003, 05:48 AM
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jazz seeker
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Johnny Dodds
For Tim Givens and other early jazz lovers:
We could start specific threads about individual musicians or groups. Here´s an old BNBB thread about Johnny Dodds: EKE BBB Member Member # 3738 posted February 20, 2003 11:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too little has been said, IMO, about this marvellous clarinetist. In 20´s, maybe Jimmie Noone and Sidney Bechet had better tecnique, but his playing was soulful and bluesy. Perfect for collective improvisation hot music! I love his sound in King Oliver´s Creole Jazz Band masterpieces, in Satchmo´s Hot Five and Seven and in some Jelly Roll Morton ensembles. I´d like to know about reissues of his sessions as a leader: JD trio, JD Black Bottom Stompers, JD orchestra, Beale Street Washboard Band, JD Washboard band, JD Hot Six, Dodds and Parham, JD and his Chicago Boys, as well as his 4-21-1927 Brunswick solo session. Thanks in advance! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 112 | From: madrid | Registered: Oct 2002 | IP: Logged brownie Member Member # 2681 posted February 20, 2003 11:47 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EKE BBB. Absolutely. Go Johnny Go. Look no further. Johnny Dodds is well represented in the Chronological Classics catalog. 4 volumes under his name: - volume 1 (589) has the 1926 sessions, - volume 2 (603) 1927, - volume 3 (617) 1927-1928, - volume 4 (636) 1928-1940. They should all be available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 523 | From: paris, old europe | Registered: Feb 2002 | IP: Logged Andersf Member Member # 3169 posted February 21, 2003 01:51 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnny Dodds is a favorite of mine aswell. I try to avoid Classics; perhaps unfairly I associate them with uneven quality in their transfers. One name associated with good qaulity transfers is John RT Davies; try looking for a CD on JSP, could be OOP, titled something like "Johnny Dodds 1927-29". Absolutely essential for anyone how likes the playing of Dodds. Also Frog Records (http://www.frogrecords.co.uk/)have some very good Dodds CDs, which don't duplicate the JSP CD. Apart from DGF 3 & 39; DGF 6, titled Dixieland Jug Blowers has some marvelous playing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 56 | From: Sweden | Registered: May 2002 | IP: Logged Harold_Z Member Member # 1142 posted February 21, 2003 03:43 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah...Johnny always delivers the goods. There's a two volume set on Affinity (comprised of 6 cds divided into the two sets of three cds each)that covers everything from 1926 through 1940. I'm not sure if its in print but you should be able to find it with a little hunting. It's not JRT transfers but HEY..., it's fine, unless you're PICKY PICKY PICKY about the sound. The Classics, with a few exceptions (none of them involving Johhnt D.), sound fine also. I think these may be the only consecutive and complete sets that encompass varying labels, etc. Check the AMG for a surprisingly large listing of Johnny D. recordings. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1139 | From: New Jersey | Registered: Oct 2000 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted February 21, 2003 04:20 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neatwork has issued a Dodds volume of alternates to compliment the Classics. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2253 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged EKE BBB Member Member # 3738 posted February 22, 2003 03:36 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band left to right: Baby Dodds, Honore Dutrey, Bill Johnson, Louis Armstrong, Johnny Dodds, Lil Hardin-Armstrong and in the foreground King Oliver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 112 | From: madrid | Registered: Oct 2002 | IP: Logged PD Member Member # 1816 posted February 22, 2003 04:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That old photo... this is better Now THAT"S a Jazz band.. getting Dodds up on the piano must have been an event I remember an article in Jazz Journal, years ago.. my copy went out with flood waters or I could reference it... but there was a brand of Wine from S. Africa that used this image on the label.. the poses were all the same, but the musicians looked the same. but all were depicted as being white. Wish I had a bottle of that around now. [ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: PD ] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2539 | From: Woodinville WA 98052 USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted February 22, 2003 04:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by EKE BBB: King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band left to right: Baby Dodds, Honore Dutrey, Bill Johnson, Louis Armstrong, Johnny Dodds, Lil Hardin-Armstrong and in the foreground King Oliver -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notice the look on Johnny's face and guess where Lil's right hand is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2253 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged PD Member Member # 1816 posted February 22, 2003 04:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe that's what got him up on the piano.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2539 | From: Woodinville WA 98052 USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged Chris Albertson Member Member # 551 posted February 22, 2003 04:34 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is that Johnny Dodds was very much a father or big brother figure to Lil. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2897 | From: NYC - New, temporarily downgraded, USA | Registered: Dec 1999 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted February 22, 2003 04:53 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the more reason to jump on the piano - an unusual situation for the staid Dodds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2253 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted February 22, 2003 09:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Chuck Nessa: Notice the look on Johnny's face and guess where Lil's right hand is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hell, look at the look on LIL'S face! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 10140 | From: tx, usa | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted February 22, 2003 09:58 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by PD: That old photo... this is better -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis never recorded on or even played slide trumpet, did he? That was just a photo-op gimmick, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 10140 | From: tx, usa | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged PD Member Member # 1816 posted February 23, 2003 03:58 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, but he did play slide whistle ( swanee whistle) on Oliver's recording of Sobbin' Blues. Wonder if he got doubling rates? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2539 | From: Woodinville WA 98052 USA | Registered: May 2001 | IP: Logged JSngry Member Member # 1611 posted February 23, 2003 09:45 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wonder if the union was covering recording sessions back then! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 10140 | From: tx, usa | Registered: Mar 2001 | IP: Logged Brownian Motion Member Member # 4117 posted February 23, 2003 10:05 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's interesting that in the staid first photo Louis is just another guy in the band, but by the second he is front and center and his musical influence is very much suggested by the dynamic poses. -------------------- The World is Waiting for the Sunrise... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 78 | From: PA | Registered: Jan 2003 | IP: Logged EKE BBB Member Member # 3738 posted February 23, 2003 02:07 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's interesting that in the staid first photo Louis is just another guy in the band, but by the second he is front and center and his musical influence is very much suggested by the dynamic poses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe he already was a rising star, but Armstrong kept a deference for his mentor and friend King Oliver: he did four solo choruses in approximately 40 discs with the Creole Jazz Band -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 112 | From: madrid | Registered: Oct 2002 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted February 23, 2003 03:38 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I always took it for granted these poses were from the same photo shoot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2253 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged Brownian Motion Member Member # 4117 posted February 23, 2003 04:22 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Chuck Nessa: I always took it for granted these poses were from the same photo shoot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's possible of course, but look at how much better the lighting is in the second photo. My guess is two different shoots. -------------------- The World is Waiting for the Sunrise... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 78 | From: PA | Registered: Jan 2003 | IP: Logged Chuck Nessa Member Member # 422 posted February 23, 2003 04:26 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My guess is a 15th generation print. I have seen much better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 2253 | From: Whitehall, MI | Registered: Oct 1999 | IP: Logged |
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jazz seeker
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The above mentioned photos:
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November 1st, 2006, 06:49 AM
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Johnny Dodds
did you know that in the 1923 King Oliver classic of Dippermouth Blues, our hero Johnny Dodds was asked to shout 'Oh play that thing' but was too shy and Bud Scott the guitarist had to do it instead
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November 1st, 2006, 06:18 PM
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Actually, the "oh play that thing" wasn't a planned line at all.
According to the definitive book on Louis Armstrong, "Louis Armstrong; An Extravagant Life" by Laurence Burgeen, page 220: "Although the band sounds tight on this recording of "Dippermouth Blues," they almost fell apart when making it. Baby Dodds, unnerved by the studio and perhaps befuddled by alcohol, forgot to take his solo on the drums - actually, the blocks - and Bill johnson, in a high voice, called out, "Oh, play that thing!" to remind him. Concerning the distinctive spoken phrase, Dodds (Baby Dodds) recalled that "the technician asked us if that was supposed to be there and we said no. However, he wanted to keep it anyway, and, ever since then, every outfit uses that same trick, all because I forgot my part". ## A wonderful book on Armstrong, IMO the best of them all - and, I've read them all. You can find this fine tome on amazon.com for pennies! |
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